- Pronouns
- Male
Minefields might not count either!
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
- Thread starter LordRoustabout
- Start date
- Location
- Brazil
- Pronouns
- He
yeah , the perk says IED don't count , so mines prob wont count
The perk no-sells 99.99% of bakuda arsenal
The perk no-sells 99.99% of bakuda arsenal
- Location
- Earth
IED stands for Improvised explosive device.
So I'd expect it to protect against anything Bakuda slaps together on a whim, but not against anything she actually puts work into.
I kind'a have three non-respective points to bring up in response to this.
The first is that he doesn't need to beat the Endbringer as long as he can fight it and lend other Endbringer Fight services like healing and Search And Rescue and whatnot.
The second is that he doesn't even need to beat/fight/attack a Endbringer to really defeat it since they can be physically modified with the right equipment as shown by Simurgh hacking Leviathan with the Shank Of Firmware Updates +5 to grow nanothorn fins for the Zion fight.
The third and final point is that even if one can't transport a Endbringer around the place one could probably set up a few defensive or redirective measures, like a few portals, to deal with any backlash or waste energy from anti-Endbringer-scale effects. Like if needed he could probably time-stop or dimensionally shunt the rest of the world away from the Endbringer instead of the other way around before he went to work on it.
I think that the best way to define the effect is that no effect that isn't specifically targeted at them would be able to break a fragile component, like a axle or part of some continuous tracks or something, more then it would be able to/before being able to damage the strongest one. Sort of like a vehicle version of Fashion Non-Victim or whatever Perk allows Joe to be as tough as whatever protection he's wearing. Got to go though the harder parts before the softer ones.
I also think that anything wearable it could apply to would need to be a mecha, something as much worn as piloted or possibly something like those Strike Witches boots, for that trick to work and even then that anything that's large enough, persistent enough, exotic enough, or sufficiently direct as a attack wouldn't be blocked by that Perk.
Minovsky particles would probably be a bit of a edge case since they are a large scale environmental effect but on the other hand they also only effect the internals of a machine which I think the Perk defends against the most.
Personally I also think that it might be possible to exploit by turning ones-self, and possibly more importantly others, into a miniaturized Evangelion Unit. You just need to technically count as a biological APC and your internals should be hardened against external effects. As a side-benefit you also end up with pockets in your birthday suit. Either that or modified on a metaphysical level to better hold souls and count as a vehicle that way.
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Thanks for the omake.
Thank you, corrected.
Thank you, corrected.
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Thanks for the omake.
Thanks for the omake.
And some responses to comments on the previous chapter:
The title might not have been the best fit, but the focus was both on Joe managing the title becoming well known and Garment getting a chance to show off her shop and work. Honestly, the 'time' chapters started as a gag that kept working well enough for me to stick with it. It's kind of highlighting the current arc, so the naming scheme will be dropped once we get to Somer's Rock.
I feel like this is the reader's version of what happens when I build up to a major project that will finally allow Joe to take advantage of some technology or perk he's been struggling with for ages, then I suddenly roll an ability that makes all of that irrelevant. It kind of cuts the legs out from under you, but that randomness is one of the fun parts of a story like this.
Flechette was in a bad mood because of the interruption and the Elite have a bad reputation regarding press ganging rogues. Uppercrust is one of the better ones, but he still endorses the group. If the Elite went all out there was a good chance that Garment could end up folded into them, regardless of what she might want (Flechette doesn't know the full scope of Garment's abilities or that she has Apeiron's support). So part of it was irritation, part was anger at the Elite and part was concern for Garment.
Your welcome, and happy belated birthday. Sorry for how long it took me to get to the comment.
Joe only gets the fiat backed effects of brands regardless of the canonical effect from the game or universe. They aren't going to affect his mind, only his stats and defenses. Mostly defenses for Natural Puppy. As explained before, that brand is a good match for pre-Forge Joe, but not for Apeiron. Pretty much the only usable item is the Black Jeans, which can match with his style in or out of costume and provide serious defensive utility. Specifically, Dual Resistance stops his attack or defense from being compromised by other effects.
There are no shortcuts to mental health for Joe and anything that acts as a crutch would be recognized as such, either by him or by the duplicates. Some things might help with his mindset, but it's not going to be a magic bullet for his issues.
A big reason why Kid Win 'discovered' his specialty was because of the moratorium on new projects following the Bank. He was forbidden from building anything new thanks to the mess with his cannon, so all he could do was tinker with his old equipment or the half finished projects that had already been built. Combined with the need to jury rig something out of his hoverboard he found himself able to switch out components, create multi-purpose modular devices, and recombine old work into better creations. Of course, he was in a horrible mental place so he took the absolute worst interpretation of what was happening and continues to focus on his 'garbage tinker' idea. It's at the point where even comments from other tinkers are being misinterpreted. Uppercrust doesn't hand out compliments lightly, but the significance of it went right over Kid Win's head.
This is the first time I have heard about this, and I can't find any reference to it in the jump document. Is it an optional rule, or was it referenced somewhere else?
Regardless, Joe has gotten everything he can from the Harry Potter jump, so if this effect requires an item he's out of luck. He can still grant Harry Potter magic if he gets Magitek Mastery, but probably not through any other effect (maybe cloning, though that's a bit of a difficult area for Joe).
The animating principles of the Avid Glove are a mess. It is made out of non-living material, but is also alive in a paradox that Neath doesn't care about. The actual origin of avid gloves and other living clothing (and items) is tied into Polythreme, the Clay Men, and The King with a Hundred Hearts. Recreating that kind of effect might be possible with enough experimentation and aggressive use of The Arcane Craft to mess around with the essence of Stone, but one mistake could turn his workshop into a New Polythreme, which trust me, is not something anybody would want.
Fleet and Survey are both capable of running mundane crafting machinery and Matrix was purpose built for that. The reason Joe or his duplicates need to be personally involved is the variety of effects require him to be the one crafting. Some aspects, like material transmutation, are not even possible without his direct action.
The fact that Joe could put any parahuman on a Harry Potter broom hasn't been lost on him. It's a less drastic way of granting flight than a Striker Unit, but also more dangerous. Wizards have some level of enhanced durability, but most parahumans would be one broom crash away from death. Still, given the utility of flight I'm pretty sure most capes would be happy to roll those dice if Joe started selling racing brooms.
Garment will be happy to educate Tetra on the potential of dispersed fiber constructs that can be taken when she shifts back to her natural form. Not saying the 'nightmare web' look will be completely abandoned, but it will at least feature less tangles and more stylistic lacing.
The coat is an Int boosting Fallout item with an effect that's mostly psychological. Less increased intelligence and more confidence and focus when doing intelligence related tasks. Being appropriately dressed can have that effect. The coat has become common wear in the workshop and Garment has started working the effect into her other clothing.
Joe isn't against psychiatric medication, but he does take it seriously. If medication can help someone he would be happy for them, but would also exercise due care for the treatment and understand that meds don't fix everything. When it comes to making his own medications he has the skills and technology to do that exceptionally well, but considering it's basically exactly what half of his trigger power would have been its going to be a very difficult field for him to get into.
The technology is 'mundane' (meaning only seriously advanced but still physically possible), but the work might not be reproducible. Not because of the level of technology, but because of the manufacturing technique. Without precise telekinetic control of every component and a perfect understanding of the principles at play and the end result you're going for weaving a display like that would be pretty much impossible. It's not just a flexible screen, its a screen that's composed of fabric, meaning it can stretch, shift, and breath without disrupting the effect at play. The display itself is high enough resolution that it could work as active camouflage, though that's pretty much the opposite of Garment's intended application.
While the predicted "surprises" are unlikely, the rest is on point. It also reminded me that at my best that "60-70k words" would have been two chapters, meaning I could have gotten to Somer's Rock in less than a month. As it stands all I can say is it will take as long as it takes. Somer's Rock wasn't the 'Next time on Brockton's Celestial Forge', it was the season finale. There's stuff that I want or need to get through or set up ahead of the meeting, and the meeting itself will probably be more than a single chapter. I would like to be able to blaze through everything in a pair of chapters with beefy preambles and addendums, but that's not a pace I can handle right now.
As a disclaimer, I was never that into Mage and have had to brush up on the rules and concepts for the inclusion of it in this story.Well, I admit I am more familiar with the original version of Mage, but these powers involve literally re-writing the laws of the universe-in a limited way depending on your particular powers and affinities/traditions, sure, but nonetheless, a very broken system compared to many others. I think I read somewhere that this would come with two dots in one arcana and one in another, but of course I don't know which he would get. Even this limited amount would indicate a massive change in what Jozef can do, though of course it comes with some of the typical Mage drawbacks as well. I for one will be more than pleased when/if he gets this troublesome Perk...
Edit: just found a WOG, it will be Force and Matter. Also, LordR didn't seem that enthused about the Perk either, so evidently it is going to be a bit of a dud after all.
Joe would start with one rank in Gnosis, two ranks in his ruling arcana and one in another arcanum. One rank is about enough for detection and two ranks can manage basic manipulation. Most of the reality altering stuff you hear about from mage is four or five ranks, three at the absolute minimum. Also, because of the Watchtower system Joe can't get both Force and Matter as ruling arcana. Joe's Watchtower would probably be Obrimos, meaning he'd have Force and Prime as major Arcana (two ranks) and one rank in Matter. While this would have been moderately useful earlier in the story and can still be trained to higher levels its mostly going to be overshadowed by Joe's current abilities. Force is the most powerful ability there and can only manage damping of blows or a invisibility effect that extends to visible light only. Prime at least has the potential of manipulating magical energies, so there's some use there. Joe also still has to worry about paradox and vile magic when casting Mage spells, though thankfully disbelief isn't a problem post-jump.
There is actually a separate perk from the FFVI jump that causes " spirit or magic-based creatures" you defeat to turn into Magicite so that you can learn magic based on their abilities or summon them in battle. It's not part of this story, but given the magic equivalency parahumans would count for that effect. There's probably an entire story possible about someone with that ability, though it would have serious Fairy Queen vibes to it.
With respect to Oni Lee, the broken arm did inhibit him. He didn't engage anyone in melee after his fight with Joe was focused exclusively on hit and run attacks, mostly using his undamaged arm to throw the same grenade over and over again, sometimes switching to a different model or using a launcher, but not actually going in with knives like he used to. March's coordination was a key factor in keeping him effective while injured and helped cement her status in the gang despite joining so recently.
For the rest of it, that covers a lot of ground, so I'll try to answer it as well as I can. One of the things with this story was the impact the short timescale has had on the people enduring the events. Short term decisions prove to be detrimental but nobody has the time to fix them before the next set of stopgaps need to be put in place. Add in the fact that you have reputations and careers tied up in earlier decisions and self interest keeps people from making the sensible decisions that would have resolved things quickly. A minor pissing match between Armsmaster and Piggot over the handling of a new cape had repercussions that continue to be felt, largely because they decided to try to ride things out rather than backtrack when they still had a chance. Yes, after Saturday night the position on Joe should have been completely revised, but they had problems with the blackout, injured heroes, the collapse of New Wave, Weld being missing, Weld being partially healed (This was actually a legitimate concern. A fair number of Case 53s are inherently dangerous like Sveta and even having them in the city could be a disaster. Multiple people like that swarming in looking for a cure could have resulted in a lot of damage.), and the continued gang war with March's manipulations in play made it impossible to pull an effective about face, and that was without Master/Stranger protocols tying their hands on a lot of matters. It's a slow motion train wreck that's clear from the outside but from the perspective of people in the thick of it they were at worst taking minor risks while being blind to the larger situations.
Amy's power still works through biological manipulation, seeing as it needs living cells. She would still be able to affect Joe, but he has some seriously non-standard anatomy not to mention what's going on with his heart. Some parts of him, like divine ichor and life fibers, would be either impossible or extremely difficult affect in any meaningful way.
Most of the rest of these have been covered by other people, but I wanted to weigh in on this again.
Joe is very much intentional in his under-utilization of the Super Science Household technology. He knows what can happen if that stuff goes wrong and doesn't want to end up stuck in a time loop or pocked dimension. The example you gave about predicting the weather is setting off massive alarm bells since anything super science that involves looking ahead in time is going to be very easy to abuse and go very bad when it does. If your actions based on predicted weather change more than a weather report would warrant you could collapse a timeline completely. Washu level hijinks that are funny in anime are the kind of thing that gets cities walled off in Worm. It's also why Joe hasn't been handing out Super Science appliances, namely because he can't trust anyone else to leave well enough along. The perk is doing exactly what its supposed to do, taking care of mundane household problems. Joe doesn't need to worry about grocery shopping or cleaning his bathroom. Trying to push the 100 point perk further than that will result in it pushing back hard. If Joe does use it for something beyond obvious household issues it will be treated with the level of care and concern he also extends to things like antimatter or the impulsion pump.
Okay, watch your capitalization there because on my first readthrough I say Dragon as opposed to dragon and assumed you were talking about the tinker, since I've already had to answer the 'Dragon's Soul' question and was trying to figure out what you meant by core.
The answer is no. Elder Scrolls Dragonborn is different from Fate dragon core/soul. Having one wouldn't extend the abilities of the other. There might be some crossover or reinforcement if Joe had both, but one doesn't grant access to the other.
- Location
- Not here. Maybe on SB.
That point, or at least the second part, is literally what I've said: "Otherwise... Most likely he'll help with search and rescue, I think". Maybe I shoul've added "and other not directly related to combat stuff, like healing, evacuation and so on". But I don't think that'd really change the meaning.
You third point, I'd say, pretty close to that too.
First part... I doubt he will fight, because until he'll know for sure he can kill the Endbringers without catastrophic collateral damage, he would try to limit the information about his capabilities.
He don't know that.
- Location
- Maine
- Pronouns
- They/Them/Theirs
As someone who was part of the argument that spawned the "Natural Puppy Self Mastery" thing, I was honestly just talking about the real world psychological effects of wearing clothing that is comfortable and fits your self-image. How it spiraled out into what it did, I have no clue. Clothing that feels good makes it easier to be yourself, boosts your confidence, and tends to make things that are distressing less distressing. That was all I was saying at the time.
That's why some people have to dress up or apply their make-up for phone calls, or wear specific boots when they go out dating.
That's why some people have to dress up or apply their make-up for phone calls, or wear specific boots when they go out dating.
Dragonskyt
Ashen one, hearest thou my voice, still?
- Location
- Kiln of the First Flame
Did you realize you made a cloth pun?
Isn't Joe already pushing SSS quite a bit? I mean, the N-Dimensional Privacy Curtain is covering his entire workshop, which at this point is more "All-In-One Production Plant" than a house. Shouldn't it be suffering from some sort of defect, like... I dunno, forcing everyone to see nothing but Joe's workshop?
- Location
- wethersfield,ct
IMO, the workshop still counts as part of the home.
If he were to start mass producing items for sale, then that might shift things a little, maybe, people do work out of their homes on occasion, but for now, he's doing the equivalent of using his workbench/power tools to help a neighbor or friend.
The easy solution to that is just to use flying carpets instead, and then use all his various perks to make them smaller and then integrate them into clothing. Bam, magically flying clothing accessible by any parahuman.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
People snooping into his Workshop/home has been considered an household issue. SSS has deemed the fact that simply stopping people with a pair of binoculars or mundane listening devices isn't Super or Scientific enough. Not when there are tons of precogs, clairvoyants and superpowered hackers/AI trying to comb over his entire private life with a comb and no respect for his privacy.
I'm sure there's a way to get it to start running rampant, but at a minimum it probably involves trying to assassinate the President inside the Oval Office while wearing it as a cape.
I'm sure there's a way to get it to start running rampant, but at a minimum it probably involves trying to assassinate the President inside the Oval Office while wearing it as a cape.
- Location
- Texas
I believe it's used in Companion Chronicles at least. I'm not sure if I've seen it anywhere else.
After some searching, it might be the Jumper School of Magic Warehouse extension/property from the Generic Harry Potter Fanfiction jump. It lets anyone teach any kind of magic they know, bypassing prerequisites like being born with magic. That seems like the kind of thing that would be present in Companion Chronicles without being explicitly mentioned, especially since their jumpchain house rules favor buying items.
I just remembered that Celestial's Entertainment has a freebie perk from their version of the celestial forge that gave a set of Hogwarts course books that granted magical ability. Checking that thread, they have the Schoolbooks perk from the Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality jump, which I guess is in the v2 forge.
Well it is based on Sabaton which is pretty ahistoric.Ah, so completely ahistorical then.
I don't think that the author saying something means conflicting interpretations are invalid. It's silly to take that to the extreme of 'the author's interpretation is wrong' but I do think that ultimately a work largely stands on its own. If you have to read the author's notes and clarifications to understand a work the author has failed.
lancelot
Completely worth it
As I've only dealt with depression from the chemical imbalance side. I assume that all his neurotransmitters are running through his body exactly as they should be. Which is a MAJOR portion of what causes depression. Mostly without that imbalance he'll feel like shit about the phone call but it'll be temporary and not a death spiral of negative thoughts.
Basically without the body supporting all those dark thoughts it's far easier to dig yourself out of bad habits. From personal experience just fixing the physical side you can feel a world of difference only days after find that sweet spot.
- Pronouns
- Kho
And my comment on MO: Astray was completely ignored.
Not necessarily true. There are many times in which reader interpretation is the result of, well, not quite reading thoroughly or because they have a particular bias that they cherry pick the work to confirm that bias and so on. Given it is the -authors- work, then the author's interpretation, if he goes on record on what his work means in or outside of the body of the work, is the final say for what it means. Sometimes, the author may end up having thematic elements in his work that readers discover that he didn't -intend- to put there, but were rather more along the lines of a happy accident. Or because life just works that way and/or is just that interconnected.
And then there are the times in which authors would be -deliberately- vague on their points. As a challenge to the reader to 'figure it out themselves'. Case in point, The Rule Unwritten, The Rule Unspoken, the Wizards Last Rule from the Sword of Truth series....I -still- don't know what that rule is. T-T But I do know many interpretations of what it could be floated around, and, as far as I know, the author has been mum on what it actually is, merely stating, it's there in the book if you read it.
Lastly there are times in which the author makes it a point that multiple interpretations are correct, and there is no one true point or right interpretation. In this last example, is the only example in which conflicting interpretations are not invalid. Otherwise, the authors word is law, given the work is there creation. Like that of gods. Hence why they are referred to as WoG. Word of God.(barring troll authors like Wildblow that is.)
As for the author not doing his job...ugh...no? Again, aside from Troll authors like Wildblow, most of the time in the cases of Authors of works that have conflicting interpretations, there are readers of it who get the interpretation correctly with what the author intended, and then there are those that do not. The fact there -are- those got the correct one means the author did his job fine. So one should -probably- be looking at those who got it incorrect to see what exactly happen. As mentioned above, it could be because of some bias, or lack of thorough reading, or perhaps even a lack of education in some areas. (Some times authors may or may not use metaphors or analogies or other literary tricks and doobobs that without knowing certain subjects you won't make the connection you were meant to make, and that leads you down to getting the wrong understanding of the work in question.)
If you acknowledge the possibility that the author can include thematic elements without intending to I don't see why it would be impossible for an author to accidentally undermine their intended message or themes.
To assert as you seem to be that the author is the final authority on how their work ought to be interpreted feels a bit narrow. Of course the author's comments can be useful for framing a discussion but meaning is ultimately a very personal thing and I don't think it's right to tell anyone that they took the wrong meaning from a work. Now if they're making claims about what a book is 'really' about they're asserting some objective meaning with less basis than the author has and it's absurd.
Also if they claim that something was really the author's intent and the author says otherwise they had best have some very convincing evidence.
Magpy
Very Curious
- Location
- Australia, but actually USA (or is it?)
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Just remembered that the empire has Damsel of Distress and they know that Joe's weak to annihilator effects. They might use the truce of Somer's Rock to try and get a surprise attack on him, or maybe Damsel doesn't listen to them and attacks anyway, we saw how interested she was in Joe in the interlude involving her. Or she could just be used as a show of force.
Regardless of how she shows up, I'm pretty sure she'll meet Joe in some way.
Regardless of how she shows up, I'm pretty sure she'll meet Joe in some way.
- Location
- Paradise, Hawaii
Was there a snip done involving "A Certain Scientific Railgun"? Lost it.
I saw a mention of skills from it, a perk where you gain a field of education from there, a 400 or 600 point?
A lot of people are going over the Workshop Security, Does it need an upgrade?
I just imagined Uber & Leet coming back to play "Super Smash Bros" with a returning version of Lung, controlled by Leet.
I saw a mention of skills from it, a perk where you gain a field of education from there, a 400 or 600 point?
A lot of people are going over the Workshop Security, Does it need an upgrade?
I just imagined Uber & Leet coming back to play "Super Smash Bros" with a returning version of Lung, controlled by Leet.
How much free will do the Endbringers have right now? Can they all just attack Joe? I thought that they have to follow Eidolon's subconscious order right now, so I don't think they can just get up and go "Joe is a threat to the cycle, lets kill him." Plus, I am pretty sure the only order given to Leviathan and Behemoth is the worthy opponent one. I believe the only reason why ZIZ has more free will is because she was specifically designed to be the leader of the Endbringers, and to help manage the cycle by directing other Endbringers to places where they would cause the most conflict (I believe this was the intended purpose before Eden's death and the birth of Eidolon). Despite this, ZIZ still primarily follow's Eidolon's subconcious command. I don't think they can all go and kill Joe. I could be wrong though.
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Love the story but I also gave a question. I'm kinda confused if we assume the people inside the situation are those in charge in Brockton Bay, then what about the higher ups who don't live in the city and can see the situation form the outside. Why haven't they done something to help with the situation because, it looks like the whole organization is about to take a giant "L" and it can be avoided but know one seems to want to put in the work to make that happen?
- Location
- Odessa
Probably the same reasons as in original story: the city was unofficially written off, whole country is stretched thin, army on the decline, politics got involved (less than a week had passed since first attack, not enough time to properly react) e t c.
A certain Contessa making things difficult in the background likely doesn't help matters and who knows what March did to prevent other cities from helping. Couple well placed bombs are enough to tie a lot of forces fighting disasters like fires in forests or helping save people from blown up dams
Edit: And apparently I forgot about March giving out some kind of head ups to gangs in other cities, resulting in them acting up as well.
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- Location
- Not here. Maybe on SB.
I don't think she thinks she understand it. She have hopes, but as far as I can tell, she didn't take any assumptions beside "Garment like me in some way".
Of course, without Flechette PoV we can only guess about her actual thoughts.
After Saturday night Piggot, no doubt, reported something along the lines of "I need reinforcement because of injured heroes, but otherwise everything under control". Because she couldn't afford to report "Everything goes FUBAR and I don't know what to do! Send help ASAP!". That'd cost her position, you know.
Everyone around had their hands full with consequences of the Cape Blackout (and that, as you should remember, also included moves from several gangs across the state, who been warned about it by March beforehand).
So, at first they didn't have time to spare to pay attention what happening anywhere else.
Then, when Moonday Fallout happened, they, probably, could've call her bullshit and try to intervene. But first they had to think, how they should manage the situation. And I suspect they been kind of taken with
Everything @andreykl said is true too, of course.