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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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Daxus1120 said:
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Huh. Something from Ward I didn't know about. Surprised I haven't heard it be discussed before; I was expecting some old WoG.

I still question Abaddon's motives. Does it only care to uplift certain species? Is it waiting for all the bullshit from the Zion/Eden cycle to work itself out before swooping in? Was it interested solely in destroying Eden for some reason? Maybe it has to do with that "piece of the answer" PTV found out about at the end of Ward (correct me if I'm misremembering the existence of such a thing)?

Well, to bring this back into relevance regarding this story:
Daxus1120 said:
Well that's shocking an entity that isn't a jerk to a host species, maybe it would possible for Joe to become a ally with that entity…or not depends.
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I doubt Joe would be able to ally with Abaddon, just cause I'm not sure it exists on any comparable mental spectrum to Joe where they could be either closely aligned or opposed. Zion's thoughts were only kinda humanish because he set himself up that way for the cycle. Whatever Abaddon's purposes for his previous cycles or his interference in Earth Bet's cycle, I doubt it's rooted in any human conception of "alliance" or "cooperation." It's kind of telling that the only Entity we know of that has positive(?) relations with other species only really managed it by creating conditions in which those species chose to become more like itself. Still, Joe has some personal experience with alien minds and with perks related to understanding alien stuff, so I guess I won't write off the possibility completely.
 
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Huh. According to Ward, it turns out Abbadon is big on collaboration, but he just sent his collaborated hosts against his variant of Endbringers, and as far as I can tell also destroyed those planets. This in no way means that Abbadon killed Eden deliberately. I think the configuration-thing that Eden was doing was probably related to trying to get PTV to work like her Shards did. Additionally, PTV wanting to take over as the new Entity makes sense, since it's primary goal is still data collection, it would probably just be interested in going the Collaboration route. Though I must say isn't it interesting that PTV pushed Contessa & Cauldron into forming Cauldron? A large organization to counter threats?

This is getting too much into Worm/Wards discussion, but I think it's safe to say that Joe will probably want to fight all entities, since the "explode planets" thing comes from their root, and it's likely to have remained. Then again Abaddon is in Andromeda, and who knows about Apollyon, might be out there too. Would not be easy to locate them all.
 
The Shallow said:
Additionally, PTV wanting to take over as the new Entity makes sense, since it's primary goal is still data collection, it would probably just be interested in going the Collaboration route.
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PTV: Finally, now that I've bested the Simurgh I can begin my perfect plan to uplift humanity willingly as a gestalt being and free them from this broken cycle.

Humanity: Actually we beat you this one time, fuck off.

(stopping now, this is indeed off topic)
 
TitanFrost said:
PTV: Finally, now that I've bested the Simurgh I can begin my perfect plan to uplift humanity willingly as a gestalt being and free them from this broken cycle.

Humanity: Actually we beat you this one time, fuck off.

(stopping now, this is indeed off topic)
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One last thing to note is that "willing" is a loose term with Abbadon. From my reading, it seems that Abaddon pushed them into massive gestalts to see the power combos before blowing them up. But yeah, enough Cthonic Beast discussion, Joe hasn't even beat Scion yet.
 
The Shallow said:
One last thing to note is that "willing" is a loose term with Abbadon. From my reading, it seems that Abaddon pushed them into massive gestalts to see the power combos before blowing them up. But yeah, enough Cthonic Beast discussion, Joe hasn't even beat Scion yet.
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I suppose that depends on 2 things: first, whether or not Abaddon does blow them up. And second, whether Abaddon spawns new entities from the cycle, in the way that Zion and Eden do.

It's entirely possible — and an idea I have mulled over as a "peaceful" end to Worm, with the Cycle being broken — that Abaddon instead "adopts" the civilisation, treats the final gestalt as a matured offspring, and then wanders off to locate another foundling to raise/uplift. Sort of "I can't reproduce, but that won't stop me from having kids!" thing.

Of course, there's not much evidence for either possibility; just thought I'd throw it out in case it sparked a story in anyone else :p
 
You know what it's odd that I didn't realize until someone made a comment about tetra learning about magic tech to possibly access shared space that the planet now has two alien possibly world ending species on the planet that might go to war with each other.
 
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bigreader said:
You know what it's odd that I didn't realize until someone made a comment about tetra learning about magic tech to possibly access shared space that the planet now has two alien possibly world ending species on the planet that might go to war with each other.
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I've not watched Kill la Kill, but many here seem to have. What is the reproductive mechanism exactly for Life Fibers, and is it possible that Tetra could do it before (or after for that matter) being made into a Kamui? She seems to be growing a lot, if/when she is made into one, would it be possible there are leftover pieces, that could be made into other objects, or would her complete and entire body be used up in the process?
 
AntaeusTheGiant said:
I've not watched Kill la Kill, but many here seem to have. What is the reproductive mechanism exactly for Life Fibers, and is it possible that Tetra could do it before (or after for that matter) being made into a Kamui? She seems to be growing a lot, if/when she is made into one, would it be possible there are leftover pieces, that could be made into other objects, or would her complete and entire body be used up in the process?
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Yes before, no after, yes it would take up all of her. At least from my understanding...
Life Fibers reproduce across the galaxy through a series of steps. After finding a planet with intelligent life suitable for their purposes, they begin subtly manipulating the evolution of a select species, creating a race that will become the dominant species on the planet. Once the selected species has dispersed across the planet and reached a certain stage of evolution, the Life Fibers will begin taking control of that species on the planet. When enough members of the species have been taken over by Life Fibers, the aliens will take control of their hosts and rise into the stratosphere, creating a massive "cocoon" of Life Fibers that envelops the entire planet. This is known as the Celestial Cocoon Seed Planet, Cocoon Sphere Genesis, or Starseed Cocoon Sphere. In this form, the Life Fibers consume the planet's thermal energy to create new Life Fiber seeds. Once enough seeds have been created, the Life Fibers will cause the planet to explode, scattering the new generation of Life Fibers all across the cosmos in a kind of galactic diaspora.
-Kill La Kill wiki
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The Shallow said:
Yes before, no after, yes it would take up all of her. At least from my understanding...
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So basically what the Worm-Entities do, except without the stupid derpery with giving the locals superpowers and seeing if anything new happens by the ignorant lab-rats mashing random bits together?

Only in one universe, I assume, otherwise I think the Entities would have noticed the Life Fibers by now.
 
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Daym said:
Firstly how did Oni Lee work as effectively as Parahuman as he did (especially with something as difficult as the super duper timed Endbringer-slaying Teleport hug) with a broken arm?
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He most likely been healed by Leet. Or maybe Bakuda.

Daym said:
the other Parahuman Factions in Brockton Bay are going to do the equivalent of taking out the sledgehammer (I really like this metaphor and yes I know that kinetic force is not what makes the Uranium go Boom-Boom, the point still stands though) in the Bermuda Bar.
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For the Empire (because we didn't have anyone else's points of view lately) it's: "Hey, Apeiron, you're cool and strong, but we have someone who can hurt you. So let's talk as equals."
Uppercrust just want to strike a deal with him.
Undersiders, obviously, unlikely to antagonize him.
Can't be sure about everyone else, since there was no PoVs from them. But I doubt anyone (but Merchants, if they'll be really high) will try anything more than Empire - showing off their strength to make sure Apeiron not going to push them around.
 
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As for the Empire trying to intimidate Apeiron, the Enigmatic Artificer, by bringing in Damsel of Distress, I think it would be hilarious if he would just gank her away from them by offering to address/fix all of her issues. (I know, this would be hard since she doesn't like to admit she has any issues) This is the reason Coil probably won't allow the Travelers to be there, for fear Apeiron, the Enigmatic Artificer, would do that very thing for them.

Everybody is talking about Uppercrust being there, but Blasto has had more than enough time to get to Brockton Bay, so I would be surprised if he isn't there as well. You know who else might be there? Uber and Leet, newly recruited by Coil, since they really have no reason to stay loyal to Bakuda now that their timing thinker is indisposed.

I think Blasto is another person who could be recruitable by Apeiron, the Enigmatic Artificer. There are a lot of fics that try to redeem Uber and Leet, and thankfully that ship has sailed and sunk in this one, but hardly any that do the same for poor Blasto. His main ethical issue is his poor treatment of his lab subjects, I think having a really good mentor would do wonders for him. And isn't he also a college dropout? So they have something in common. But, Jozef is anything but proactive, so I doubt the idea would even occur to him to try...
 
Utterly Depraved said:
The thing about that is that the parties expecting to take advantage of the power vacuum are likely to be knowledgeable enough about eachother for posturing to be a effective method of avoiding conflict. If they know what the results of conflict between eachother are then they're less likely to actually waste effort and resources going through with it. Adding new parties to that dynamic removes that certainty and opens up the possibility for certain parties to benefit from conflict.

One must take into account both the end result and the events leading up to it in this context.

That being said though there's always the possibility of engineering the conflict between those parties and reinstating Uppercrust after it had all settled down. The sociopolitical equivalent of safely setting off a avalanche.
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Sorry about the late reply. Didn't see the quote.

You're not precisely wrong about the possibility existing, but you're also asking for a lot of self control, compromise, and aversion to physical conflict from violent criminals.

Letting uppercrust die just creates the same sort of situation Joe's dealing with right now in (and around) a nation spanning criminal organization tied directly into at least one piece of important infrastructure.

Joe can't intimidate all of them into compliance, especially since he doesn't even know who most of them are or what he would actually want them to be doing.

Uppercrust is most likely one of the few people with the knowledge needed to take effective action here, and he's also the only one Joe has access to.

Even if he does fail the worst case scenario is effectively ending up in the same place events were heading with Uppercrust's death, so saving him isn't taking too big of a risk relative to the other options.
AntaeusTheGiant said:
, I think it would be hilarious if he would just gank her away from them by offering to address/fix all of her issues. (I know, this would be hard since she doesn't like to admit she has any issues)
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It's possible he could do it entirely by accident. :V

If she has moment of power lapse directly in front of him while trying to do something basic and expected like drink at the meeting he could probably whip up something to fix it in the spot since "I'd like to be able to take a goddamn drink without picking glass out of my teeth afterwards" probably counts as a household problem.

Some elbow length gloves that allow her to handle things as long as she isn't using them as weapons would make Joe Damsel's new favorite person.
 
BronzeTongue said:
It's possible he could do it entirely by accident. :V

If she has moment of power lapse directly in front of him while trying to do something basic and expected like drink at the meeting he could probably whip up something to fix it in the spot since "I'd like to be able to take a goddamn drink without picking glass out of my teeth afterwards" probably counts as a household problem.

Some elbow length gloves that allow her to handle things as long as she isn't using them as weapons would make Joe Damsel's new favorite person.
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It might count as a household issue, but based on the WoG on how far SSS Security/Defense can do, I'm gonna say the shotgun of exotic effects would probably cause the Washutech to freak the fuck out. Even if didn't, those gloves would have to be removed for combat, lest the Washutech freak the fuck out.

Easier would be a minor power focus, just to help her control it, no boosting. He just flash-fabricates a tiny sheet of metal which he shapes into a hair-clip, which he attaches to her hair, and says "Please avoid repeating that." or something.
 
Narsauce said:
Very nice work. A bit of a question, though. Is it Joe and Garment that are shown?
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I think Garment is on the left side, jumping. Tetra in the middle, slightly left of the center of the picture. And Joe on the right, on the side of the "wave".
And Fleet and Survey is helicopters, I count three.
 
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The Shallow said:
It might count as a household issue, but based on the WoG on how far SSS Security/Defense can do, I'm gonna say the shotgun of exotic effects would probably cause the Washutech to freak the fuck out. Even if didn't, those gloves would have to be removed for combat, lest the Washutech freak the fuck out.

Easier would be a minor power focus, just to help her control it, no boosting. He just flash-fabricates a tiny sheet of metal which he shapes into a hair-clip, which he attaches to her hair, and says "Please avoid repeating that." or something.
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An item like that is essentially exactly what she's looking for, and would also materially improve her combat ability even if it was only an on/off switch.

An item that she couldn't use to fight without consequences would be the perfect hook to flip her without risking that she'll walk off or continue her current path once she has what she wanted.

I see your concern on the tech end, but considering how well the curtain works against what it's likely an insanely large number of exotic shard senses I don't think breadth of effect is a huge concern for washutech as long as it's other restrictions are met.

I could be wrong, but even in that case I'd bet on less directly confrontational devices from that perk working. An earring that gives Damsel telekinesis for noncombat tasks or that teleports food/drinks into her mouth would be almost as good and not nearly as risky as giving her a power switch before flipping her.
 
So, LordR said he had two or three other points of view he wants to get before Somer's Rock, does anyone have speculation as to who those might be? We haven't seen a Merchant veiwpoint yet, and they just got their own cool annihilator cape. I personally wouldn't mind seeing a viewpoint from one of Faultline's crew, she should have a lot to talk about with Apeiron, the Enigmatic Artificer.

Also, how do you think Apeiron, the Enigmatic Artificer, will react to Coil and the Nazis of all people telling the Merchants they do not get to sit at the big boy table? I mean sure, they are scummy drug dealers, but come on.. compared to actual literal Nazis and the abominable Coil?

Edit: just checked, it was just Kaiser who said they couldn't. Yeah, don't know how Jozef would react to that. If we are unlucky it will just be the start of Apeiron, the Enigmatic Artificer, accommodating the Nazis in all their desires, but I'm still holding out some hope of LordR finding some way to resolve this that doesn't have the Nazis winning. (and let's be clear here, by winning I mean keeping to the status quo of their being Nazis in Brockton Bay that are tolerated and allowed to continue to operate and hold territory. Because it seems to me that is what this is headed for.)
 
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AntaeusTheGiant said:
Also, how do you think Apeiron, the Enigmatic Artificer, will react to Coil and the Nazis of all people telling the Merchants they do not get to sit at the big boy table? I mean sure, they are scummy drug dealers, but come on.. compared to actual literal Nazis and the abominable Coil?

Edit: just checked, it was just Kaiser who said they couldn't. Yeah, don't know how Jozef would react to that. If we are unlucky it will just be the start of Apeiron, the Enigmatic Artificer, accommodating the Nazis in all their desires, but I'm still holding out some hope of LordR finding some way to resolve this that doesn't have the Nazis winning. (and let's be clear here, by winning I mean keeping to the status quo of their being Nazis in Brockton Bay that are tolerated and allowed to continue to operate and hold territory. Because it seems to me that is what this is headed for.)
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Seeing as the Merchants are already resurging, and have their own Annihilator, I don't think that will happen. Additionally, I think Joe is likely to take an "Everyone has a seat" approach, especially if he gets the diplomacy skill. So if that did happen, Joe would probably pick up the seat himself and tell Kaiser not to be rude. Maybe. Just my guess.
 
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Koraan said:
He most likely been healed by Leet. Or maybe Bakuda.
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Given Bakuda's Blood/Bone/Everything? Cancer is it possible that Oni Lee is also at his End? Or was it a Leet One-Off Heal that could not be reused on Bakuda? Either way I trust the Lord to make the ABB last stand enjoyable.

Koraan said:
For the Empire (because we didn't have anyone else's points of view lately) it's: "Hey, Apeiron, you're cool and strong, but we have someone who can hurt you. So let's talk as equals."
Uppercrust just want to strike a deal with him.
Undersiders, obviously, unlikely to antagonize him.
Can't be sure about everyone else, since there was no PoVs from them. But I doubt anyone (but Merchants, if they'll be really high) will try anything more than Empire - showing off their strength to make sure Apeiron not going to push them around.
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The ABB had 3 Annihilator Capes (March, Bakuda's Bombs multiplied by Oni Lee and potential Leet Tech) along with super timing, precision and coordination and still failed. Given Apeiron's demonstrated mass destruction Skills their greater Cape Number is highly likely not going to change the outcome especially without a thinker. Besides Joe's Strength is so far ahead of theirs that it is not at the "not being pushed around" level, but at the "minimize losses" level. A highly trained soldier is not scared by a newborn with a scalpel, sure it has the capability to kill the trained professional but it is outclassed at literally every level.
Though a possibility is that they didn't realize that Oni Lee tried his best to kill Apeiron with that opening Strike and attributed their loss to their forced Showmanship and said opinion was strengthened by their racist Disdain for the Asian Community or just non-whites in general.
Besides the E88 the Butcher was said to be on the way to Brockton Bay and of course one should not to forget the Biotinker who in Worm/Ward attempted to recreate the Simurgh.
 
Vyrexuviel said:
So basically what the Worm-Entities do, except without the stupid derpery with giving the locals superpowers and seeing if anything new happens by the ignorant lab-rats mashing random bits together?
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Wrong, actually. Life Fiber clothing, which Life Fibers manipulate people into creating and wearing, can give people all sorts of wacky anime tricks. And while the point of such powers isn't experimental in any way, it is still a human using Life Fiber abilities against them that wrecks their whole plan. Turns out this kind of thing tends to backfire a lot across fiction.
 
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