Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

*snip* ... and the creation of an Eidolon clone(likely also blindspot) who actually did the public reveal.
Nope, it was that naked Alexandria clone that is responsible for the public reveal.

Offing that Eidolon clone and bisecting Echidna by Clockblocker's power in a way even Dennis didn't know his power could be used is what gave Skitter enough cloud to convince the other attending (non-cauldron) capes to not dissolve the PRT/Protectorate right then and there.
 
Coil is the perfect pen-tester, he has unlimited tries to get a fake background through. And every time he fails he learns how to do it better and the defender doesn't
Problem with that idea is that background checks can take a while. They can be really short sometimes, sometimes they can take weeks. The troopers probably take at least several days and probably closer to a week. Having the twin timelines up for that long is certainly possible but would be incredibly inconvenient. Much more practical to just get someone who would pass the check regardless. So they must be either so comprised that the checks basically don't exist or they actually don't exist.
 
This is just not true. Contessa couldn't stop the Echidna incident from exposing cauldron because it was a simurgh plot which led to the involvement of Eidolon(a blindspot) and the creation of an Eidolon clone(likely also blindspot) who actually did the public reveal.

If Cauldron actually refused to allow national protectorate assets to assist Brockton Bay with S class events they wouldn't have been revealed because Eidolon wouldn't have been cloned while he was in Brockton Bay assisting with an S class event.
I've been misremembering the Alexandria clone as the one that spilled the beans, but I just checked and you're right.

But that does highlight how there was a character with a "I win" button that he then had to turn around and create justifications on why she couldn't win.

My personal stance on canon information for worm is that there is enough contradictory information from wildbow so he could tell someone 'no, you're wrong' that if an author can come up with a logic path that holds together with a minute's thought, I have no problem with sitting back and letting the story roll, even if there are a number of WOGs that detail exactly how that path wouldn't work. Lord Roustabout started this story as an excuse to tryout power interactions, and it has evolved to include some wonderful worldbuilding that adds some much needed flavor to Earth Bet and I am looking forward to where it goes.
 
Seeing Alexandria naked revealed that she looked a lot like the Chief director of the prt. And that was bad.

But it was the eidolon clone who told everyone about Cauldron, power vials, and Case 53s.
I've been misremembering the Alexandria clone as the one that spilled the beans, but I just checked and you're right.
So did I. And I could have sworn that it was indeed the Alexandria clone the last time I read Worm. But in the chapter Scourge 19.6 as it is right now it is indeed the Eidolon clone. Unfortunately there's no "last edited" and/or "times edited" indicator readily available. Only a "first published" date (March 9, 2013 for those that are interested).
 
Seeing Alexandria naked revealed that she looked a lot like the Chief director of the prt.
How does that work exactly? Does the Chief Director regularly go skyclad to meetings?
If you're comparing faces then Alexandria looks like a younger director (she wars makeup to artificially age herself in that role), which might mean she's the director's daughter.
Also how many people see the Chief Director on a daily basis? Unless the role attracts the same sort of public attention as the office of the President… which I can see Wildbow doing, actually. Never mind.
 
How does that work exactly? Does the Chief Director regularly go skyclad to meetings?
If you're comparing faces then Alexandria looks like a younger director (she wars makeup to artificially age herself in that role), which might mean she's the director's daughter.
Also how many people see the Chief Director on a daily basis? Unless the role attracts the same sort of public attention as the office of the President… which I can see Wildbow doing, actually. Never mind.

You have to consider the audience was made up of mostly protectorate heroes.
You would expect an FBI agent to know what the head of the FBI looked like.
 
Something to keep in mind when trying to logic out in universe reasonings for worm is that wildbow did not have a cohesive plan for worm, left plot holes you could formation fly 747s through, and then tried to paper over said plot holes with answers that were created with no considerations as to how they would effect the wider world building. Christina Mathers was created as the answer to why doesn't cauldron take out the fallen, and the Cauldron experiment in Brockton bay might have been the answer to why doesn't contessa stop the events in Brockton bay from exposing Cauldron. The reason the Youth Guard was never mentioned in Worm is because it wasn't created until a year after Worm ended. And it was created to force tension in a quest Wildbow was running so the characters couldn't be reasonable people and work together.

Don't forget he plagiarised a lot of stuff from other sources mainly Milestone you'd really be surprised how many characters there are who got their powersets split into 2 or 3 pieces and given to worm characters with the personalities going to someone else.

This is just not true. Contessa couldn't stop the Echidna incident from exposing cauldron because it was a simurgh plot which led to the involvement of Eidolon(a blindspot) and the creation of an Eidolon clone(likely also blindspot) who actually did the public reveal.

If Cauldron actually refused to allow national protectorate assets to assist Brockton Bay with S class events they wouldn't have been revealed because Eidolon wouldn't have been cloned while he was in Brockton Bay assisting with an S class event.

Probably also didn't help it was right after Contessa and Doctor Mother agreed the path to protecting their identities was getting too long so dropped it. Would add tho Eidolon also wouldn't have been absorbed if it hadn't tried to solo Echidna to regain his full power since he feels close to a greater reserve when in danger tho I'm not sure why he thought that would work given what he should know about powers.

Nope, it was that naked Alexandria clone that is responsible for the public reveal.

Offing that Eidolon clone and bisecting Echidna by Clockblocker's power in a way even Dennis didn't know his power could be used is what gave Skitter enough cloud to convince the other attending (non-cauldron) capes to not dissolve the PRT/Protectorate right then and there.

Wait I knew there was an Alexandria clone but while I suppose it makes sense it'd be naked how come it took the og Alexandria getting reduced to her weird metal underwear for them to realise she's RCB. I'd add too the whole bit where Taylor stepped up and offered to let Echidna have her in exchange for releasing Eidolon was probably huge especially with it really being a trap that cut her in half tho I think you are overstating how much they listened to her especially when her attempt was to get them to not leave or start witch hunts and failed.

So did I. And I could have sworn that it was indeed the Alexandria clone the last time I read Worm. But in the chapter Scourge 19.6 as it is right now it is indeed the Eidolon clone. Unfortunately there's no "last edited" and/or "times edited" indicator readily available. Only a "first published" date (March 9, 2013 for those that are interested).

There is a thing on spacebattles I think that I found a while ago that has the og and edited versions for each change it has a box containing the og text and another with the edited one with removed stuff highlighted in red and added things in green.
 
Probably also didn't help it was right after Contessa and Doctor Mother agreed the path to protecting their identities was getting too long so dropped it. Would add tho Eidolon also wouldn't have been absorbed if it hadn't tried to solo Echidna to regain his full power since he feels close to a greater reserve when in danger tho I'm not sure why he thought that would work given what he should know about powers.
I've been of the opinion for a while that when choosing Cauldron members PtV wasn't looking for especially smart or wise people. Just people who are great at following the path and doing what it wants. So while Eidolon might know things about powers I would be completely unsurprised if he had an awful understanding of them. The classic knows just enough to be overconfident and wrong combined with a negative wisdom score.
 
Cosmic Adventure Time Helping with Unsuspecting Nasty Tyrants (LokiTheDarkGod)
Omake: Cosmic Adventure Time Helping with Unsuspecting Nasty Tyrants

The Gatewatch lay scattered like broken dolls the Pharaoh Nicol Bolas hovered above triumphant about to launch his invasion of Ravnica... something slammed into the dragonic Planeswalker and in a flurry of movement both were gone.

The Autobots were arrayed to hold back Unicron desperately battling to save Cybertron. Almost too fast to see something flew towards Unicron the planet sized god pushed back from the blow then in a blur of motion gone.

The alliance of disparate planets Ice, Stone, Bone, Sand and others were battling for survival the Beast planet had returned, unstoppable, unbeatable, inevit... gone?

Tanya von Degurechaff stood defiant in the face of the so called 'god' time frozen as the malevolent being lectured her. Something moved towards Being X was that a cat?

Joe king of kings, head of a pantheon of gods and many other titles others had bestowed on him much to his growing irritation: Your back, did you enjoy your hunting trip?
Tybalt: It went meow-tifully. Picked up a few trophies.
 
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And, half of the directives relating to Apeiron are built on top of the results from Amy's debrief after the heal-n-chat session.

As Director Armstrong has noted, in order to roll back the Directorial Decrees, Piggot needs to be able to justify both why they were initially put in place — fairly easy — but also why they are no longer deemed as necessary.

Which Carol Dallon is blocking at every turn, because it would mean admitting that Vicky isn't her darling perfect princess, and that Amy might sometimes have been a victim rather than an evil supervillain-in-waiting. (Go re-read the "Meeting Report" addendum on Chapter
37 for examples)

Until Brandish gets shut down (preferably hard), Piggot can't get the additional evaluations & confirmations she needs to be able to say "initial response was caused by a false-positive that we have now confirmed was caused by long-term exposure to Glory Girl's aura". Which means the checks & balances in place to prevent frivolous use of these Decrees are blocking her from being able to repeal them.



Nope; medical reasons, after Circus stabbed her. She even stayed on in an advisory role to assist Tagg after Calvert 'went missing'.

A lot of focus gets put by fans on Piggot's reactions to the capes abandoning the PRT teams during the Ellisburg Incursion. However, what often gets overlooked is the (quite important) last two lines of that interlude — when she's just found out that Calvert shot his superior officer for "not climbing the ladder fast enough", and that Calvert wishes he had powers, because he thinks that power would let him choose which rules do or do not apply to him.

She amends her previous thoughts about how bad capes are, to acknowledge that non-capes can be just as bad. And then she runs a department full of military/law-enforcement themed-or-trained capes such as Miss Militia and Velocity; people who have had the training & discipline for crisis situations that normal capes lack.
Isn't the new wave situation making it so that vicky is getting tested out of state weather brandish wants to or not?
 
Isn't the new wave situation making it so that vicky is getting tested out of state weather brandish wants to or not?
Something like that but after the whole shard space hole her power is different. So it current testing can't be used to determine previous effects. There's also the problems of how to test long term mental effects in a timely manner and the fact that how they deal with Vicky will be policy setting. So while they could theoretical give her a slap on the wrist that is a bad policy for almost all other cases that would resemble this one.
 
Quick timeline refresh for what's been going on with Amy and Vicky, independent of everything else:
  • Panacea is healed by Apeiron while having a conversation about the nature of powers and their influences, including familial relationships as they pertain to "second generation" capes.
  • The conversation is interrupted by Glory Girl's fist, subsequent to which Apeiron departs under his own power having apparently suffered no damage whatsoever.
  • Panacea is subsequently interviewed by Armsmaster and Dir. Piggot while under observation by untested and possibly outright illegal remote polygraph supplied by Armsmaster.
  • Based on the readings from this device, Panacea is taken into custody for Mater/Stranger screening, initially on suspicion of being mastered by Apeiron.
  • Screening eventually rejects a short term or recent Master effect but subtle inconsistencies indicate a possible long term one.
  • Carol Dallon starts interfering with the process to determine the exact duration, nature, and origin of the effect because the only other likely culprit is Glory Girl, specifically her "adoration aura" effect which has untested long term effects.
  • Mike Dallon aka Lightstar returns from self-imposed exile to try and find out what happened to his niece who has effectively disappeared into the PRT and never emerged, eventually becoming her first outside contact in several days.
  • Subsequent to that, Glory Girl is involved in the first recorded Case 68 event and one of the first two Case 69 victims. After reporting that her powers have radically changed, she is taken to New York for advanced power testing, independent of Panacea's continuing confinement.
  • Carol Dallon continues to interfere in the testing of both of her daughters because she fears the consequences of either case reaching a definitive conclusion about Glory Girl's aura.
  • Sarah Pelham and the balance of New Wave finally becomes fully aware of the situation and starts acting to counter Carol Dallon's intervention while preparing for the inevitable backlash.
  • Crystal Pelham locates Panacea's detention facility and briefs her on the situation, including recent public events.
I think that's about right, anyway.
Edit: Added some suggestions. Not adding some others as they mostly involve others.
 
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  • Screening eventually rejects a short term or recent Master effect but subtle inconsistencies indicate a possible long term one.
  • Carol Dallon starts interfering with the process to determine the exact duration, nature, and origin of the effect because the only other likely culprit is Glory Girl, specifically her "adoration aura" effect which has untested long term effects.
This part is slightly off. They pick up something but it could just be nerves so they request a long term assessment. They need the guardian's approval but Carol has just gotten her and Neil's affair entered into the public record and wants to be out of there as quickly as possible so she agrees. The PRT thinks that this cannot be a coincidence and blames Joe for setting off stuff as a high level manipulator. Then Joe points out GG's aura and Carol starts obstructing anything that could get Amy cleared.
 
This part is slightly off. They pick up something but it could just be nerves so they request a long term assessment. They need the guardian's approval but Carol has just gotten her and Neil's affair entered into the public record and wants to be out of there as quickly as possible so she agrees. The PRT thinks that this cannot be a coincidence and blames Joe for setting off stuff as a high level manipulator. Then Joe points out GG's aura and Carol starts obstructing anything that could get Amy cleared.
Also, Tattletale indicated (back when Joe first finds out that Amy is in M/S Screening) that she thinks it's just a false-positive caused by Amy trying not to reveal that she's in love with Vicky.

Which raises a few questions around exactly what they were asking Amy about during that interview…
 
Also, Tattletale indicated (back when Joe first finds out that Amy is in M/S Screening) that she thinks it's just a false-positive caused by Amy trying not to reveal that she's in love with Vicky.

Which raises a few questions around exactly what they were asking Amy about during that interview…
Why are you so awkward talking about your relationship with your sister? Ah ha! I figured it out. Aperion mastered you to have a not quite incestuous love for your sister! That dastardly fiend!
 
Quick timeline refresh for what's been going on with Amy and Vicky, independent of everything else:
  • Panacea is healed by Apeiron while having a conversation about the nature of powers and their influences.
  • Panacea is subsequently interviewed by Armsmaster and Dir. Piggot while under observation by untested and possibly outright illegal remote polygraph supplied by Armsmaster.
  • Based on the readings from this device, Panacea is taken into custody for Mater/Stranger screening, initially on suspicion of being mastered by Apeiron.
  • Screening eventually rejects a short term or recent Master effect but subtle inconsistencies indicate a possible long term one.
  • Carol Dallon starts interfering with the process to determine the exact duration, nature, and origin of the effect because the only other likely culprit is Glory Girl, specifically her "adoration aura" effect which has untested long term effects.
  • Subsequent to that, Glory Girl is involved in the first recorded Case 68 event and one of the first two Case 69 victims. After reporting that her powers have radically changed, she is taken to New York for advanced power testing, independent of Panacea's continuing confinement.
  • Carol Dallon continues to interfere in the testing of both of her daughters because she fears the consequences of either case reaching a definitive conclusion about Glory Girl's aura.
  • Sarah Pelham and the balance of New Wave finally becomes fully aware of the situation and starts acting to counter Carol Dallon's intervention while preparing for the inevitable backlash.
  • Crystal Pelham locates Panacea's detention facility and briefs her on the situation, including recent public events.
I think that's about right, anyway.
I'd add Amy made him talk about New Wave and why he didn't want to join them or the prt plus it ended when Vicky came charging it and landed a lethal to a normal person blow on him which confirmed his power's assessment of her and made Vicky later blame herself for it. Probably should also mention Lightstar coming back and informing her about Marquis and Armsy spreading the transcript as much as he could because of the comments Joe made about Piggot.

Also, Tattletale indicated (back when Joe first finds out that Amy is in M/S Screening) that she thinks it's just a false-positive caused by Amy trying not to reveal that she's in love with Vicky.

Which raises a few questions around exactly what they were asking Amy about during that interview…

Everything they pretty much had her walk through the entire event and got her full biased and faulty account. We know that from things like New Wave falling apart from the prt mentioning the emotional connection between Manpower and Vicky, Gallant getting moved to New York to avoid Apeiron realising he isn't actually a tinker, Armsy spreading it because of the comments about Piggot, Fletchette and Weld being sent because of the I'd consider it if it was New York or Boston stuff and so on.

That means it's likely what he said about Vicky directly since she doesn't want to risk exposing the whole Vicky has nearly killed something like 6 people and had Amy cover it up plus from the way the prt has been treating her I'm pretty sure Amy omitted things like the whole she threatened to give the undersiders cancer stuff and his comments on her messing with the spiders.
 
Also, Tattletale indicated (back when Joe first finds out that Amy is in M/S Screening) that she thinks it's just a false-positive caused by Amy trying not to reveal that she's in love with Vicky.

Which raises a few questions around exactly what they were asking Amy about during that interview…
Only at first. After Joe walks her through his conclusions, she seems to believe that Glory Girl accidentally brainwashed her into loving her sister. Lisa was rather ecstatic in her schadenfreude over the situation. But yeah, I can see how that would be odd, but then again, people like Heartbreaker exist, so I can't say it is that odd that they may have investigated who she has feelings for.
 
Talking about Mike, it's kinda crazy how well he's doing family wise. He is the only one in his family to have a happy healthy marriage. He is also the only one to not have had his kids trigger.
 
Talking about Mike, it's kinda crazy how well he's doing family wise. He is the only one in his family to have a happy healthy marriage. He is also the only one to not have had his kids trigger.
One of these may be related to the other. He's also the only one with a regular job that allows him to use his powers which may also be a contributing factor.
 
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