Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

Basically though they think Apeiron is their success because of the Bay experiment and have been patting themselves on the back while working on getting other cities to replicate the conditions (a stupid idea without knowledge of Joe's real capabilities they shouldn't think they have the decades for that).
The various errors that you're calling stupid happen to cancel each other out with regards to replicating the conditions elsewhere. While they won't actually get more Apeirons, they might well get more of what they think Apeiron is. Or they might get Forge Lite franchises elsewhere based on secondary Forge powers like alchemy and aura or reproduced/scavenged/gifted Apeiron technology, as with the new New York Elite.
 
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The various errors that you're calling stupid happen to cancel each other out with regards to replicating the conditions elsewhere. While they won't actually get more Apeirons, they might well get more of what they think Apeiron is. Or they might get Forge Lite franchises elsewhere based on secondary Forge powers like alchemy and aura or reproduced/scavenged/gifted Apeiron technology, as with the new New York Elite.
The error is that it would take decades to get more Brockton Bay lites but Cauldron is expecting golden morning in about two years. So they are working on long term plans that they straight up believe they don't have the time for.
 
The error is that it would take decades to get more Brockton Bay lites but Cauldron is expecting golden morning in about two years. So they are working on long term plans that they straight up believe they don't have the time for.
I thought that Golden Morning/Scion'e eventual ranpage/end of the world was actually decades off, Jack just triggered it early?

...Though, I think I heard somewhere that Cauldron would have actually set it off early themselves, since they figured their parahuman armies would be better positioned sooner rather than later. Not sure if that was fanon or canon though.
 
I thought that Golden Morning/Scion'e eventual ranpage/end of the world was actually decades off, Jack just triggered it early?

...Though, I think I heard somewhere that Cauldron would have actually set it off early themselves, since they figured their parahuman armies would be better positioned sooner rather than later. Not sure if that was fanon or canon though.
They have predicted that they would be at "peak" strength in about two years so they would intentionally set off Scion then. Which is kinda stupid because they need a silver bullet not "strength". They should really be picking specific capes, trying to make certain power synergies and generally trying to figure out how to actually hurt Scion.
 
The various errors that you're calling stupid happen to cancel each other out with regards to replicating the conditions elsewhere. While they won't actually get more Apeirons, they might well get more of what they think Apeiron is. Or they might get Forge Lite franchises elsewhere based on secondary Forge powers like alchemy and aura or reproduced/scavenged/gifted Apeiron technology, as with the new New York Elite.

The singular reason I said recreating the circumstances of the bay is a stupid idea without knowledge of Joe's real capabilities is that they had the Bay as a mess for ages to get it in it's current condition and they shouldn't think they have the time to recreate it. Putting aside the pr hit and other costs to having even one more area become like the Bay and the necessity of a prt leader who hates capes and is likely to make an enemy of an upcoming Aperion tier cape, they are wanting to have gm happen within the next 20 years for reasons including society breaking down due to many factors including endbringers especially since Ziz likes to target capital cities and Eidolon getting weaker with his boosters also getting less effective.

However, in canon following Dinah's Jack will set off an E.L.E. in 2 years number man looked at things and concluded that was also the when the force they could muster against scion would peak so they decided they'd set scion off then if Jack didn't. While Dinah hasn't made that prediction yet so the rest hasn't happened you would still think they would go do we actually have 15+ years in which to make a recreation because a huge part of it is the bay has been bad for the entirety of what people like Crystal and Joe can remember and if anything the rating should be worse than in canon because of the ABB getting off the giant EMP bomb, distrust in the prt and Apeiron won't do anything predictions plus their ignorance of his capabilities meaning he shouldn't counteract it.
 
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From learning how to construct really good kitchen appliances?

Considering who's kitchen it is, why wouldn't the same principles be transferable to overthrowing governments or building superweapons?

My super laser "microwave" has the same principles as the Death Star? Tell me it isn't so!
He would probably bankrupt the Kitchen Appliance industry if people could do so using electronic junk, which was worth dozens of billions in 2011.

After S9, it would be funny(read: omake fodder) if he decided to troll everyone.
Like stealing Contessa's undergarments and fedoras for a G.I. Joe Superweapon.

Singing on his youtube channel, transmuting all colours into their Neathbow equivalents and curing all C53s with a handclap.

He uses the boost from the Capstone Constellation to his PJO perks to seduce all the shards using Aphrodite's blessing.

And then Vista wakes up.
 
Sophia's such an interesting character to me. In fics like this where she's close to her canon self, I can't wait for her to get her comeuppance. Yet I've also read fics where she gets redeemed/ semi-redeemed where I really enjoyed her character.

Though funnily enough, Emma and Madison almost never get redeemed, even in fics where the author turns Sophia into a mary sue/ woobyfies her.

Also it's probably going to be 2024 before we get the Joe & Crystal coffee meeting but I'm here for it haha.

This is just a personal preference but with the number of fics I've read that detailed the three bitches getting what's coming to them, I kinda hope we don't focus as much on that haha. That's just me though. I'm pretty happy so far about the amount of Taylor we've had in this fic. Not too much, not too little, just right.
 
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Though funnily enough, Emma and Madison almost never get redeemed, even in fics where the author turns Sophia into a mary sue/ woobyfies her.
Try Queen of Blood then. Sophia gets exactly what she wants, monkey paw style, Emma starts to turn around once she's faced with actual consequences, and Madison gets full and unquestionable redemption. It's also the only fic I'm aware of where Saint not only uses Ascalon successfully but it's also the correct choice.
 
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Try Queen of Blood then. Sophia gets exactly what she wants, monkey paw style, Emma starts to turn around once she's faced with actual consequences, and Madison gets full and unquestionable redemption. It's also the only fic I'm aware of where Saint not only uses Ascalon successfully but it's also the correct choice.

And it's GLORIOUS. Enlightening even. One could even argue that Saint became the ultimate Hero in the worse way possible. For him.
 
Honestly, his power is too convenient. He basically gains several new powers every day and the fact that these powers are just what he needs feels too convenient.
More often than not he gets powers that would have been able to solve his problems...right after he has solved them. Which is actually rather neat, as LordRoustabout is actually rolling for the perks. He does get a lot of powers rather quickly, because he is getting all the low-cost powers.

Plus, if you are only on Chapter 4, then he has basically no powers. I don't think he even has the Laboratorium that early.
 
You know, seeing all of these interludes of the various case 53s, it makes me wish Tetra would make a public appearance in her human form, let that image circulate in the web and just...let the implications and imaginations that would bring just fly.

It would be glorious! Like throwing a leaking fuel tank into an inferno.
 


The criticism is valid but the ship has sailed. If you want to encourage better writing then talk about decisions made on the current chapters or wait for future projects.

If you want to address the story as a whole, or make judgements for others to use when deciding to read it or not, then page 1706 in this thread is not a useful place to do so. Everyone here has made their decision already.
 
Plus, if you are only on Chapter 4, then he has basically no powers. I don't think he even has the Laboratorium that early.
Chapter 4 is when he got the Laboratorium, and the Laboratorium and this quote from the chapter in particular might have been the source of @lalaton 's "too convenient" complaint:
It was practically tailor made for cracking the mystery of tinker tech and in a stroke of serendipity I got it right after I acquired my first tinker tech device.
 
So we've hade the possibility of Aisha getting a Call Bead put forward by Joe himself but do we have any information about what she would be able to do with nearly unrestricted access to her passenger/shard/snark/agent?

I mean permanent memory erasure is the obvious thing but a. They have Lethe Water already and b. That just isn't scary enough, especially as Armsmaster is already considering it as a function of the mythical cluster that formed the Celestial Forge.

So: dynamic partial memory erasure; you can see and interact with her but you only remember as much about her as she wants. So you can have an entire conversation with her and remember what she said but never be able to give a valid description of her.
Or maybe making people forget Lethe even though they remember Aisha. Good for pranking the PRT.
Maybe even do the reverse and unlock everyone's trigger memories? That would put the cat among the pigeons, especially when vial capes can't describe the memory properly…

What else?
 
do we have any information about what she would be able to do with nearly unrestricted access to her passenger/shard/snark/agent?
We have one example, Joe's internal monologue proposing to use her power with a Call Gem to erase everyone's memory of how he destroyed an Endbringer:
I swear, if I had to kill an Endbringer with March's sword I was giving Aisha enough call beads to erase all memory of the event and blaming it on Scion instead.
 
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I think Aisha would be able to pull other memories and perceptions to the fore with a call bead, and shape her interactions that way. EG, she could impersonate a PRT trooper by making them percieve her as a fellow trooper, would be able to interact with E88 and have them think she is a aryan ideal, etc etc. Instead of just a binary on/off field capable of being extended, she could start editing the perception and memories in any degree she wants. I would also think that would extend to being able to impersonate people's dead friends/relatives to extract personal information without the target remembering "wait, my mother died last year, why am I catching up with what is clearly a fake?". Basically Lethe will make everyone unfamiliar with her distrust their reality.

Also, I have no idea why people complain about pacing at this point. At what point in the last 100 chapters did they not understand that BCF is a hyperdetailed exploration of fictional powers and their impacts to the people of the setting? The detail and thoroughness *is* the point.
 
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So we've hade the possibility of Aisha getting a Call Bead put forward by Joe himself but do we have any information about what she would be able to do with nearly unrestricted access to her passenger/shard/snark/agent?

I mean permanent memory erasure is the obvious thing but a. They have Lethe Water already and b. That just isn't scary enough, especially as Armsmaster is already considering it as a function of the mythical cluster that formed the Celestial Forge.

So: dynamic partial memory erasure; you can see and interact with her but you only remember as much about her as she wants. So you can have an entire conversation with her and remember what she said but never be able to give a valid description of her.
Or maybe making people forget Lethe even though they remember Aisha. Good for pranking the PRT.
Maybe even do the reverse and unlock everyone's trigger memories? That would put the cat among the pigeons, especially when vial capes can't describe the memory properly…

What else?
The Shards are giant eldritch supercomputers that are only using a fraction of a percent of their true abilities in order to facilitate their "host" parahuman.

Aisha's Shard effectively monitors and modifies cognitive associations instantly on a world-wide scale.

I know we tend to focus on Aisha's memory deletion but her power is really cognitive association modification. Like, there is a woman standing in front of you with a bloody knife but you can't link that with the stab wound in your chest. Without parahuman support you can't even consciously recognize that there is someone in the room with you.

So flipping the switch toward "increased association" could result in incredibly fast learning. Mastery of skills in days instead of years. With the right tech, matrix-style downloads of "I know kung-fu" or "I'm a helicopter pilot now". [Given how excited the Shards are about Apeiron, Aisha's Shard might already be making her hypercompetent.]

Disassociation could result in general dementia and confusion. Selective and targeted dissociation could mimic Bonesaw's prion's effects.

Possibly control of the autonomic nervous system. Prana-Bindu levels of control of muscular, nervous, and endocrine systems. Making someone forget how to breath.

Misassociation could be interesting. Trigger PTSD every time Armsmaster wants to Tinker. Replicate Heartbreaker's emotion control. Hardwire a compulsion into Coil to preserve endangered species. Make kids get more enjoyment from homework than videogames. Cause the members of the E88 to associate the true divinely-appointed "Master Race" with increased levels of melanin.

Aisha could be the key to de-programming Heartbreaker's victim. She could also be vitally important (even if only by scientific observation) to creating effective therapies for traumatized victims of Grey Boy, Bonesaw, etc.

Now I'm curious. Aisha's Shard seems to function similar to those of the Heartbreaker cluster. Convergent Evolution? WoG?
 
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Honestly, his power is too convenient. He basically gains several new powers every day and the fact that these powers are just what he needs feels too convenient.

More often than not he gets powers that would have been able to solve his problems...right after he has solved them. Which is actually rather neat, as LordRoustabout is actually rolling for the perks. He does get a lot of powers rather quickly, because he is getting all the low-cost powers.

Plus, if you are only on Chapter 4, then he has basically no powers. I don't think he even has the Laboratorium that early.

The rolled powers are completly random. And like a true random system, sometime Joe get something convenient, and sometime it feels like his power is trolling him.
Like @Nimeroni said, blame RNGsus. Because the rolls are made randomly according to a predetermined word counter. So, that's probably why it keeps trolling us
We have one example, Joe's internal monologue proposing to use her power with a Call Gem to erase everyone's memory of how he destroyed an Endbringer:
Sounds like a great idea!

Poor Cauldron LOL.
 
Ah yes. Coil the explorer.
Wouldn't that make him Dino? Director Piggot will be, of course, Dora.

Piggot the Explorer~

So flipping the switch toward "increased association" could result in incredibly fast learning. Mastery of skills in days instead of years. With the right tech, matrix-style downloads of "I know kung-fu" or "I'm a helicopter pilot now". [Given how excited the Shards are about Apeiron, Aisha's Shard might already be making her hypercompetent.]
Also, that's already too late. Apeiron's already doing that for her. Actually, can Joe teach her the best way to teach?
 
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