In a familiar scene, a swarm of insects twirls and dances over the water.
There are no trees...
There are no trees...
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Not by the time of its start, no- in OTL, it's likely that the anoxic conditions caused by the extinction were a significant factor in driving the evolution of air-breathing vertebrates and their later terrestrial descendants.Just to make sure I've understood correctly, apart from the obvious loss of the insects and the success of the spiny sharks, it looks like vertebrates haven't managed to get onto the land by the time of the Devonian mass extinction?
Probably similar in range to most other reef filter-feeders- though, being worms, they tend to be long rather than fat. Single-plated species would probably reach the side of a dustbin lid at most, while the reef-living multi-plated species might be multiple metres long.How large are worldback worms? I don't recall ever seeing any specific measurements.
Plausibility of that would tend to depend on the exact causes of the 6000 BCE dry period. I understood that the Sahara and South America are in some kind of subtle cyclic relationship, and if that is so then presumably the people saying so have observed dryings in prior Interglacials. As I understand it the previous interglacial was significantly warmer than the current one, but to estimate the probability the Sahara will in fact go dry during the interglacial, aside from theories of why it happened in our current instance, knowledge of whether this happens more often than not in Interglacials even if it did not in the previous one, versus the current condition of the Sahara being a not too common fluke, would bear heavily on the question.I don't have any comments on this right now, but it's nice to see some environmental alternate history; it's an interesting idea that I don't see very much of. Personally, after reading Brian Fagan's The Long Summer I think it'd be interesting to see an alternate history exploring how civilization might have developed if the ~6000 BCE dry period didn't happen or the Green Sahara never dried up.
Is the goal here to work up to the present day and beyond? Do you already know what lineages will take the places of OTL insects and chordates on land, and what strange alternative plant types might form the basis of the ecosystem there?
I assume the geology will remain pretty fixed to OTL patterns on rails, though I am mindful that alternative ecological developments can have effects that feed back on geological outcomes and even deep driving forces perhaps. You've already noted how conditions that formed deep mineral ores today differed.
If say some fluctuation makes Earth too warm for the glaciations of the past ten million years or so to happen despite the gross configuration of continents being about the same, then the geological impact of miles thick sheets of ice on half of North America and the northwest end of Eurasia about 90 percent of the time would not be present and that would not only prevent direct knock on effects (I believe the mountain range separating Norway from Sweden, the Jotunheims, are effectively just the popped up fringe of land on the periphery of the great European ice sheet, for instance, and without the glaciations, I doubt they would exist at all...I might be mistaken about that, but anyway the broad gulf that is Hudson's Bay is I am much more confident a depression created by the ice sheet and again a warmer Earth or one that for some other reason lacked these continental glaciers would have higher elevation there, and therefore lower elevation somewhere else since there is a fixed volume of rock to work with. Same thing goes for the Baltic and indeed Sweden and Finland's terrains are entirely governed by being under the ice more often than not. So plainly we'd have to edit some details in a world where the glaciers never formed on that scale...but I would think that beyond that, their OTL existence could have diverted deeper mantle currents and thus shifted centers of uplift, directions of plate drift, and other factors to make the overall layout of the planet, or anyway the regions directly affected by glaciers OTL, notably different across the board.
But as you've already alluded to, there are lots of factors that might not be apparent to beings with such short life spans as us, whereby ecology feeds back into geology.
But if you assume that cascading butterflies will randomize geological outcomes then things will start going astray for you pretty early and you'd wind up with pure fantasy.
So are you simply assuming that barring the single variation of the gamma ray burster, Earth's geological outcomes must remain essentially the same, either because honestly the biologically based variations in masses of material feedstocks, changes in acidity, oxygenation, etc can't really change the gross outcomes much, or because strange and alien as these lifeforms appear to be to us, by and large they will play much the same role as OTL ecosystems did and so while on paper there is room for much strangeness geologically as well as biologically, in fact geologically the same global and local fluctuations as OTL will be replicated by parallel means in this timeline, and so in fact the geology will remain close to OTL--so we get the glaciations, the formation of the English Channel and the Great Lakes, all the geology is still as OTL?
You've already thrown one big monkey wrench into it with your recent posts about the Devonian, which mean at the very least the mineral deposits of the present era will be quite different. Many key events as relevant to modern human geography and economics and strategic concerns still lie in the future though I believe, such as the Carboniferous Era. If that happens! I'm guessing that if plants do not develop wood, they will develop something else that serves broadly similar function, perhaps meeting some needs by remarkably different means, and not meeting other needs as well.
Fungi I gather use chitin rather than cellulose for structure. Can plants too adopt some form of chitin that will serve to enable tall trees and so forth? But if they do, will we have a failure to form the vast coal deposits of OTL and thus have more CO2 persist in the atmosphere (this would be an example of how the ice ages of modern OTL eras might be sidestepped despite the continents being in the right configuration to foster glaciation!) Might massive carbon sequestration happen by other means in another era? Or will chitin thick and strong and refined enough in chemical detail and in structural shape turn to carbon deposits over time the same as cellulose would?
Some sources tell me that the important thing underlying the formation of the coal deposits was that between the adoption of cellulose as a structural material in cell walls enabling wood to form and plants to get tall, and the end of the Carboniferous, organisms simply had no means of breaking down cellulose and digesting it as food, and so in the right climatic conditions anyway, dead plants simply accumulated in great big mats; their other biological components would be eaten up and restored to the ecosystem somehow albeit with some delay, but the cellulose was untouchable. So over time it formed really thick layers, then got buried under soils and rocks and eventually deep down heat and pressure cooked it into coals of various kinds. So if chitin for instance, or perhaps some other polymer unknown to OTL biology, were to fill cellulose's role instead, perhaps the alternative could more readily be digested and thus there never would be this massive sequestration of carbon, not by that means anyway. Or vice versa some alternative compound could be even harder to digest than cellulose, and the ATL version of the Carboniferous last much longer with even more carbon sequestration than we inherited OTL!
That sort of thing would be quite useful, actually- I might work on some informational posts for that sort of thing.Some Illustrations would be nice as a lot these terms are rather technical, at least of the animals that actually existed if nothing else, so I can better picture the Silurian.