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So, can we also include getting the Volkite STC so that it some how doesn't get lost or some other BS.
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Doesnt change the fact that the Great crusade had VERY heavy astartes death tolls and weapons are not always recoverable combined with the sheer cost of voliite for upwards of 80,000 (LOW for an Astartes legion) and the absolutely fucked logistics BOlters in the event a battle brother and his weapons are destroyed its far easier to replace a Bolter and Bolters are very adaptablevolkites work against power armored foes as well, look at the guy at the lower right
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Why would the Fifteenth Legion need the STC of Volkite when it's perfectly safe on Mars?
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you wants tehc priests to let us hold onto a STC? hahahaha
plus we can only maintain high numbers of volkites as long as we have good relations with ad mech and are near developed forgeworlds with plenty of techpriests and factories if we are far away from them our dedication volkite legion would suffer a lack of weapons problem.
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please explain clearly to everyone the process of Volkite production and all the lodgistical bullshit they take
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Look VOlkite is Badass i KNOW but the younger guys point is that after they truly start the crusade into heavier enemy territory the Volkite production would NOT be able to meet the demands of the great crusade which is why their are bolters their not as good but their still servicable easy to replace and can be maintained without a tech priest. So the younger guy isnt exactly wong in what hes saying hes just going about it like a raging PLasteel Dick
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[X] You both have good points, volkites truly are unfeasible to maintain across the whole legion due to their cost and complexity of maintenance/production. However, bolters do have logistics problem due to their use of solid ammo and lack the sheer killing powers of a volkite. It would be more pragmatic to equip all new battle brothers ie the majority with bolter weapons and all veterans and sergeants/commanders with volkite weapons thus maintaining a sustainable amount of volkite weapons without running into cost troubles. Also best to have more than one way to kill the enemy as volkites are not a one weapon fit all anyways.
Exactly what I wanted to say. Changing vote to this.
Exactly what I wanted to say. Changing vote to this.
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They need dedicated continental factories in order to just produce them fast enough for the current size of the Legions. On top of that the master artisan level Mechanicus Priests needed to actually repair and maintain them, plus the time said work takes.
ChiefTurtle117
The Sigillite
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Fuck, Master level Priests are needed? That's worse than i thought.
Well, fuck Volkites. Those Priests are better off doing something else than maintenance
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And arent the smallest legions at the height of the crusade nearly 10 times the size we are now I think the Emperor recommended size was 100,000 foir a legion to have maximum force without overburdening the Logistics department
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Fair point. Considering the compromise option being proposed now, as bolters are easier to produce, could we come to a compromise with the Mechanicus, where we request to equip our line brothers with bolters, our elites with volkites, and then the excess industrial production capacity is used for stockpiling more volkites in case we come to a case where we need them greatly?
That would work for me, I just want to have extras for later in case we might need them.
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It's a fucking dependable ray gun in the 30th millennia, what did you expect? A lasgun?
Mechanicus can only do so much man.
A bit below that but getting there yeah, outside of the Legions having rejection issues like the Fifteenth.
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ChiefTurtle117
The Sigillite
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- Holy Terra
Hey, i voted for the Bolter, man. But, i was hardly expecting such a hefty maintenance cost.
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- kfc
[x] Write In: Both of you are making valid points. While Bolters are cheaper, they have a logistics issue. The exact opposite is true for Volkites. A middle ground can be found. While Bolters can become standard, Volkites should be retained for elites.
-[X] For punishment for settling this like screaming children instead of Astartes and bringing it to me you are cleaning every waste filter on this place with a scrub brush for the next 3 months
-[X] For punishment for settling this like screaming children instead of Astartes and bringing it to me you are cleaning every waste filter on this place with a scrub brush for the next 3 months
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I switched to the current compromise write in since it expands a lot more and honestly buddy cop style is funny to me
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So the recruits idea is logistically fucked
ChiefTurtle117
The Sigillite
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- Holy Terra
You mixed that up. The recruit is in favor of Bolters.
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[X] You both have good points, volkites truly are unfeasible to maintain across the whole legion due to their cost and complexity of maintenance/production. However, bolters do have logistics problem due to their use of solid ammo and lack the sheer killing powers of a volkite. It would be more pragmatic to equip all new battle brothers ie the majority with bolter weapons and all veterans and sergeants/commanders with volkite weapons thus maintaining a sustainable amount of volkite weapons without running into cost troubles. Also best to have more than one way to kill the enemy as volkites are not a one weapon fit all anyways.
-[X] Also both of you are now assigned together from now on in all duties, first duty being to cleaning every waste filter in the ship with a scrub till we enter combat again.
-[X] Also both of you are now assigned together from now on in all duties, first duty being to cleaning every waste filter in the ship with a scrub till we enter combat again.
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[X] You both have good points, volkites truly are unfeasible to maintain across the whole legion due to their cost and complexity of maintenance/production. However, bolters do have logistics problem due to their use of solid ammo and lack the sheer killing powers of a volkite. It would be more pragmatic to equip all new battle brothers ie the majority with bolter weapons and all veterans and sergeants/commanders with volkite weapons thus maintaining a sustainable amount of volkite weapons without running into cost troubles. Also best to have more than one way to kill the enemy as volkites are not a one weapon fit all anyways.
-[X] Also both of you are now assigned together from now on in all duties, first duty being to cleaning every waste filter in the ship with a scrub till we enter combat again.
Well this is a good compromise. As for the STC, the more copies, the less likely it would get "lost". That and trying to find a way to make them faster, and use less master level tech priests.
-[X] Also both of you are now assigned together from now on in all duties, first duty being to cleaning every waste filter in the ship with a scrub till we enter combat again.
Well this is a good compromise. As for the STC, the more copies, the less likely it would get "lost". That and trying to find a way to make them faster, and use less master level tech priests.
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- Titan
I changed to a better compromise, please switch.
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- USA
I liked it. Always nice to see what everyone else thinks of us. Though, I'm more partial to battle scenes considering how...not social we are.
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- Lowton
It was good I found the bolt whole thing funny and practical.
Being properly pariniod about info about your sleeping location can only go well!
Right..?
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- Anatolia
Sure, totally about tactical advantage and not about avoiding the man-children everyone else calls Astartes you have to babysit almost every waking moment.
Also a tally,
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[X] He sides with the older Legionary, emphasizing that volkite weaponry is indeed the more logistically beneficial, before having both Legionary's scrub the inside of the ships waste filter for the rest of the trip.