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Alternate History Ideas and Discussion

Cetashwayo

Cetashwayo

Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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Welcome to the Alternate History Ideas Thread. You can post an outline or snippet for a planned timeline or story here, discuss potential ideas, advertise an existing story, or just chat about potential AH scenarios.
 
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Maybe I should repost my old TL or my infoboxes over or something.

Since nothing I've put up on SV except for Mystic Pizza Quest is explicitly AH.
 
I think I'm definitely going to start moving my work from AH.com over here.
 
Yay! I have the first bit of user fiction!

Mind you, my story has a supernatural element in place to het started, but beyond that, it's all as realistic as I can pull off.
 
Since I didn't see one of these up yet, I figured I'd make one. Basically, this is a place to brainstorm and discuss ideas that you have that aren't filled out enough to warrant a full thread of their own.

Some of mine are the usual "what if X won Y war?" like Persia conquering Greece, or Rome spreading across Asia and bumping up againsst China. Though I've a few others of more recent events. Like what would it be like if the Space Age didn't grind to a halt after a few landings on the Moon. Or what would be different America decided to fully embrace it's Imperial nature in the 1800's and start aggressively expanding and colonizing the Americas.
 
I've been wanting to do a TL where the Anti-Party Group overthrows Khrushchev, but I can't think of a way to weaken his influence on the military without butterflying away the whole affair.
 
I've been wanting to explore a Lieberman Presidency for a while, but have't had the time or been able to figure out what format (Election Game, TL, TLIAW, or what-have-you) to use.
 
I've been thinking about the concept of a MEGA GERMANY from Baltic to Adriatic for a while, specifically how such a country would deal with the Czech population.
 
Dustin said:
I've been thinking about the concept of a MEGA GERMANY from Baltic to Adriatic for a while, specifically how such a country would deal with the Czech population.
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With great difficulty, I imagine. Though the exact levels of it would likely depend on the specifics of how and when it came about.
 
Kennedy survives his assassination, ends with a space race lasting longer and including the creation of research bases on and around the moon and mars, the soviet union lasting longer, and the south africa growing huge with the help of the USA and a similar deal happenning to the DRC.
 
So much 20th century stuff...

Something 19th century then. At the end of Napoleon, Talleryand convinced everybody that a strong French Kingdom was in their best interest. After all, the French Kings were just as much victims of Revolutionary France as everyone else, and a strong French Kingdom was needed to prevent a repeat of the situation! Thus, France was kept as a Great Power.

So... what if the Coalition allied decide that the safest way to prevent a repeat of the situation is to de-power France? Alsace, Lorraine, Belgium, maybe even the Franche-Comte become some way or another part of the German Confederation (as annexation by German states, or as newly carved out states), the French central state is weakened by the re-establishment of apanages and feudal fiefs (Brittany, Orleans, Auvergne...), etc. Thus France at the very least will take some decades to reestablish itself as Great Power. How would that 19th century look like?
 
Susano said:
So much 20th century stuff...

Something 19th century then. At the end of Napoleon, Talleryand convinced everybody that a strong French Kingdom was in their best interest. After all, the French Kings were just as much victims of Revolutionary France as everyone else, and a strong French Kingdom was needed to prevent a repeat of the situation! Thus, France was kept as a Great Power.

So... what if the Coalition allied decide that the safest way to prevent a repeat of the situation is to de-power France? Alsace, Lorraine, Belgium, maybe even the Franche-Comte become some way or another part of the German Confederation (as annexation by German states, or as newly carved out states), the French central state is weakened by the re-establishment of apanages and feudal fiefs (Brittany, Orleans, Auvergne...), etc. Thus France at the very least will take some decades to reestablish itself as Great Power. How would that 19th century look like?
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How do you envision the equivalents of the 1830 revolutions to be like?
 
xa na xa said:
How do you envision the equivalents of the 1830 revolutions to be like?
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Well, it seems clear to me that the revolutions in France would have a much more nationalist bend, similar to Germany, and would probably be heavily directed against the new feudal system pressed onto France. A shrewed central government in Paris might even use them, but of course the Restoration monarch would probably still be impalatable to the revolutionaries...
 
Dustin said:
I've been thinking about the concept of a MEGA GERMANY from Baltic to Adriatic for a while, specifically how such a country would deal with the Czech population.
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One way to "deal with" the Czech population would be to avoid large numbers of people becoming literate in the Czech language in the 19th century, with the Austrian government forcing Germanization instead.

More problematic is the Adriatic coast, which has few Germans, lots of Italians and Slavs, and which is generally quite different to Germany culturally. How would MEGA GERMANY deal with this?
 
nyx said:
One way to "deal with" the Czech population would be to avoid large numbers of people becoming literate in the Czech language in the 19th century, with the Austrian government forcing Germanization instead.
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But the thing is that urban Bohemia already spoke German at that point. Only deepest rural Bohemia still spoke Czech. Hell, to this day German has the expression "that sounds like / those are Bohemian villages to me" for something non-comprehensible. And then suddenly, Czech saw a giant revival, pushed by the awakening feelings of nationalism of the 19th century. However, not all peoples saw such a linguistic revival. So, the question is, could the Czech lingual revival have been averted?
 
Emm, what would have happened if Stalins governmental predecessor have left Russia? He had a chance, but used his son's condition to remain, despite being hated by the whole society.
 
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So, the question is, could the Czech lingual revival have been averted?
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Quite easily. Moderate liberal Bohemians like Kolowrath played a role here (especially Kolowrath), so have an even more conservative Austrian Empire, and the Czech will see some sort of linguistic revival spearheaded by a few scholars, but one that will be crushed soon.
 
Speaking as someone who's been on SV almost since its creation, and a lurking member of AH.com for years before that... if you jokers want to bring some stuff from Alien Space-Bats over into the SV User Fiction sub-forum, please, go right ahead. Trust me, you'll have to work really goddamned hard to be the weirdest people in this crowd. :D
For instance: behold all the stories in Computer Gaming where people have built alt-timelines out of playing historical games like Hearts of Iron IV or Rules the Waves. Take this single example: @Lord K's Let's Play of Rule the Waves. Where Imperial Japan becomes the dominant naval power of the early 20th century, complete with colonies in Africa!
 
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