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All Level, No Experience (Worm/Pathfinder Amnesia Quest)

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Wolfy said:
No, your "idea" is to take unique quest reward and make shit we can make anyway. I've got no idea why is this the hill you choose to die on.
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then why not use it to make a crazy artifact instead , like a headband of +8 mental perfection with constant mind blank , thought sense , flight , telepathy and 10 uses of the quickened True Strick spell for when we absolutely need to crit , with bones to all skill ranks and skill checks for good measure
 
Uh... that's not how Pathfinder works?


[X] Work on your base, while you're here.
-[X] Moat.
--[X] Endbringer Ichor Moat (Unique, Sends. A. Message.)
[X] Order around the Undersiders
-[X] Power research time
--[X] Lisa and Alex
[X] You remember seeing on PHO mention of something called The Whitelist. Look into that.
[X] Rest (and Level Up).
-[X] Loremaster

If you want to use this properly, I think this is a good enough material to make Artifacts, but not for lesser things? (Hindsight-related applications seems pretty useful here)

It's not like Sending A Message isn't a reward from using the material in this way after all?

(Shadow Stalker would serve as a good reason for Divine Source, but is her mentality actually appropriate for our end game purposes?)
 
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Basically yeah, Enbringer stuff let's us craft way faster as we don't need to use TT, and it naturally speeds up crafting and it enables our Item Shaper. It does not, however, let us craft things we can't already craft. Moat is unique, so it has high intrinsic value.

However we also wings and stuff so we can use that for crafting, or for artifacts later when we unlock final ten scrolls, so spending ichor is fine.

We should capture Behemoth or Leviathan at some point so we have a constant source of parts.
 
We should make the staff Phase Locking at minimum so we can still fight if Force Wall gets countered next time though (cheaper than adding Dimensional Lock directly to the Staff, probably)

Also, how do we get access to Greater Create Demiplane again?
 
[X] Work on your base, while you're here.
-[ ] Generators and Labratories.
-[X] Moat.
--[X] Plasma moat, or some other esoteric hazardous material. Hand the reins to Iluontar.
-[ ] Other. (Write In)
[X] Order around the Undersiders
-[X] Power research time
--[X] Try to access the source of powers, and engage in communication / power manipulation if possible. Priority is personal safety, then Undersider safety, then knowledge acquisition, then gaining the ability to screw with powers.
[X] You remember seeing on PHO mention of something called The Whitelist. Look into that.
[X] Browse PHO for a bit, or otherwise just relax.
[X] Rest (and Level Up).
-[X] Loremaster



Moats are awesome. Moats are less awesome when they waste valuable resources. Not averse to making an attractive nuisance, but we should at least be cost-effective about it. Save the ichor for crafting.
 
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quantum lurker said:
Also, how do we get access to Greater Create Demiplane again?
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Leveling Wizard is the easiest way, so by reading Scrolls.
ALowVerus said:
Moats are awesome. Moats are less awesome when they waste valuable resources. Not averse to making an attractive nuisance, but we should at least be cost-effective about it. Save the ichor for crafting.
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How is making something specifically Unique "wasting" a resource? What would you use it on that isn't "wasting" a resource? An actual real example if you'd like.
 
Wolfy said:
Leveling Wizard is the easiest way, so by reading Scrolls.
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What about Create Demiplane?
You were talking about Contessa potentially waltzing in to steal our Scrolls if they were not in a Dimensional Lock'd Demiplane and all (which would be a catch-22 problem here); or does us just staying in the Prismatic Sphere the entire time suffice?

Sckribe said:
provide the equivalent of 2,000 GP for items relating to mental manipulation, foresight, hindsight (which caught you unexpectedly), telekinesis, and flight.
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This is what you'd need for it to be used properly, and the only thing on this list I care about is retrocognition (any standard items that fall under this category), and maybe, maybe foresight?
 
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quantum lurker said:
What about Create Demiplane?
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Staff of Wishing would give us access to all level 8 or lower spells, or level 7 non-Wizards spell. This would also let us write down spells we want to know i.e. Control Weather to make use of its Mystic version, and also let us cast spells such as Clone or Simulacra without needing to meet their requirements.
quantum lurker said:
What about Create Demiplane?
You were talking about Contessa potentially waltzing in to steal our Scrolls if they were not in a Dimensional Lock'd Demiplane and all (which would be a catch-22 problem here); or does us just staying in the Prismatic Sphere the entire time suffice?
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Prismatic Sphere with Dimensional Anchor and Spice being around should be enough. Not foolproof, but Contessa would really need to want the scrolls for her to go through all the hoops needed to get past Prismatic Sphere and our dragon.

Speaking of dragons, we could also just put in some sensors, cameras and such, and have Dragon also keep an eye on Prismatic Sphere where this is happening.
 
(While I disagree with the pragmatic base building plan, because if literally nothing else we do not have access to the Plane of X right now and this isn't Order Of The Stick,

do note the plan maker needs to add Plan in front of the plan name for the tally to work properly when people vote for just the plan iirc?)
 
I'm against the Ichor most for no other reason it feels like a bad idea to just leave that out in the open? We might be hot shit but there are definitely still capes capable of getting past our defenses to steal Ichor.
 
Sckribe said:
Honestly, a small part of you was considering leaving one of the other two left alive but trapped somewhere, preferably stuck in a coma and with tattooed variants of a ring of sustenance and ring of regeneration just so you could keep harvesting the thing for these absolutely wonderful crafting materials. Especially since without the extradimensional blockage, due to the Dimensional Anchor dissipating on corpse, you could tell there was certainly some form of extradimensional effect manipulating space, meaning there was far more ichor than would be possible even if the original were to have been completely and utterly hollow. Maybe both, if you could manage it.
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This sounds like an amazing idea to me.
 
BurnBright said:
Also, am I dumb? How are we filling a moat with 2 vials?
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Ah, I was getting the feeling this might not have been conveyed as clearly as I'd hoped in the chapter: Due to the extradimensional/space shenanigans of Endbringer bodies seeming to carry over even past their deaths, there is absolutely a lot more ichor than the apparent volume of the remaining body & parts. You don't know exactly how much until it runs out (or you throw research at it), and it is technically finite since the Simurgh's dead, but so far as long as you've tilted the part in a way that gravity would cause the ichor to flow out, it has kept doing so. Not exceedingly fast, like with blood, but still.

So, the two vials are just what happens to be in your inventory at this exact moment, there is certainly a ton more ichor in the wings you'd gotten.
 
I don't know and am not quite certain if my posts do actually end up killing momentum, or if it's more just because it looks like it because I tend to sleep after I post a chapter, meaning the stuff just happens when I'm asleep, and when I'm awake I'm just more aware of the actual pace.
 
I'd say that lava moats are much more classic.

Plus, unlike an ichor moat, it would also work very well at the traditional moat duty of actually keeping people out. Maybe too well, honestly, the radiant heat would probably kill most less awesome people than Ilunotar just from trying to get close to it.

The real trick is keeping the lava molten all the time, it tends to cool off if you don't constantly heat it.
 
There are actually astonishingly few of those. Most of them would probably get the message that anybody who can make a moat out of lava can probably also do any number of other horrible things.

I'd say we try installing an auto-targeting anti-air laser cannon. Got to mix the magic and technology angles, after all.

But mostly I'm pointing out that while Endbringer Ichor might make a real point, it wouldn't actually be more effective at keeping things out than a water moat. Plus, it'd get all dirty and we'd have to figure out how to filter it to clean the gunk out. Lava moats are self-cleaning!
 
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