The idea for that shot was that it was a booster to account for Rei overcoming the meds. If, for whatever reason, Rei had continued with the medication and still started to adapt it might have been an issue, but Ritsuko is trying to cow Rei, not kill her.
 
better. But yeah - kinda need an Eva to threaten NERV properly...

Shinji: "Father - have Dr. Akagi stop drugging Rei."
Gendo: "Or what?"
Shinji: "Or I make her stop."
Gendo: "You do not have the authority."
Shinji: "I control a giant robot - OF COURSE I have the authority."
Gendo: "...is that a threat?"
Shinji: "A promise."
I am now reminded of the time Shinji more or less tried to hold all of Nerv hostage after the debacle with Bardiel and Touji's maiming/death (anime vs. manga) at Dummy Plug-controlled Unit 01's hands. Too bad Nerv still had a direct connection to Unit 01's systems, and Gendou was more than willing to give the order to knock him out with excessive LCL pressure in the Entry Plug.

Forget Unit-00. What happens next time Asuka gets in -02? Or even Shinji in -01? With their higher synch ratios and greater experience with their Evas' AT fields, Akagi had better find someplace really well protected to hide in.
Then add in the possibility that, as similarly depicted in some fanfics, the souls within the Evas have no way of knowing exactly what is happening in the outside world except by 1) overhearing people talking about things while next to the Evas (Gendo and Ritsuko do talk a few times around Unit 01, and fanfics seem to like to portray Gendo as frequently having a one-sided conversation with Yui in Unit 01), 2) reading the pilots' thoughts as they synch with them (the higher the synch rate, the deeper they can effortlessly read)... and that Yui has nothing but shock and outrage for all the things that she's seeing Gendou doing to everyone around him (be it through Shinji's eyes and ears or through the man's own admission).

Now imagine this Yui, who is barely restraining her wrath at Gendou and seriously considering to go into Berserk Mode and throw out the possibility of achieving her Scenario (at least, anywhere near as relatively smoothly as she had planned) just so she put an end to this madness that she had never intended to have happen, discovering through Shinji's distressed thoughts what Ritsuko had just pulled (and astonishingly taking the time to rationalize that it's somehow caused by Gendou).

Yeah, Bad with a capital B. On the bright side, Yui going mama-bear over Rei would surely make the girl feel humbled and overjoyed that one of her two love interests' mothers considers her as a daughter of sorts.
 
I am now reminded of the time Shinji more or less tried to hold all of Nerv hostage after the debacle with Bardiel and Touji's maiming/death (anime vs. manga) at Dummy Plug-controlled Unit 01's hands. Too bad Nerv still had a direct connection to Unit 01's systems, and Gendou was more than willing to give the order to knock him out with excessive LCL pressure in the Entry Plug.


Then add in the possibility that, as similarly depicted in some fanfics, the souls within the Evas have no way of knowing exactly what is happening in the outside world except by 1) overhearing people talking about things while next to the Evas (Gendo and Ritsuko do talk a few times around Unit 01, and fanfics seem to like to portray Gendo as frequently having a one-sided conversation with Yui in Unit 01), 2) reading the pilots' thoughts as they synch with them (the higher the synch rate, the deeper they can effortlessly read)... and that Yui has nothing but shock and outrage for all the things that she's seeing Gendou doing to everyone around him (be it through Shinji's eyes and ears or through the man's own admission).

Now imagine this Yui, who is barely restraining her wrath at Gendou and seriously considering to go into Berserk Mode and throw out the possibility of achieving her Scenario (at least, anywhere near as relatively smoothly as she had planned) just so she put an end to this madness that she had never intended to have happen, discovering through Shinji's distressed thoughts what Ritsuko had just pulled (and astonishingly taking the time to rationalize that it's somehow caused by Gendou).

Yeah, Bad with a capital B. On the bright side, Yui going mama-bear over Rei would surely make the girl feel humbled and overjoyed that one of her two love interests' mothers considers her as a daughter of sorts.
I honestly can't see Yui Ikari as a Mama Bear.

I just can't.

The woman was cray from the very beginning. And someone who is perfectly willing to let the near extinction of humanity go through for whatever reason is someone that is not meant to be sympathetic.
 
I honestly can't see Yui Ikari as a Mama Bear.

I just can't.

The woman was cray from the very beginning. And someone who is perfectly willing to let the near extinction of humanity go through for whatever reason is someone that is not meant to be sympathetic.
You can have someone be both crazy and a Mama Bear. Isn't that basically the entire idea behind Berserk mode? Throw Shinji into danger so Yui awakes and tears the angels to bloody pieces, cannibalism optional?
 
I think it's safe to assume that a Berserk Eva is not a sapient or even sentient being, and that it's not the soul in the core consciously directing the Evangelion to protect the child inside as much as the Eva responding to latent emotions/instincts from the soul. That would satisfy how catastrophically insane Yui was while leaving room for her to love her son.

Also it keeps us from throwing up imagining Yui directing Unit-01 to EAT so many Angels.

In other words, the soul subliminally and unconsciously directs the Eva to protect its pilot, and the Eva does its best to follow those instructions through whatever means necessary.
 
Also it keeps us from throwing up imagining Yui directing Unit-01 to EAT so many Angels.
Too late, already did. It's been headcanon thanks to this thread actually.

I think it's safe to assume that a Berserk Eva is not a sapient or even sentient being, and that it's not the soul in the core consciously directing the Evangelion to protect the child inside as much as the Eva responding to latent emotions/instincts from the soul. That would satisfy how catastrophically insane Yui was while leaving room for her to love her son.
In other words, the soul subliminally and unconsciously directs the Eva to protect its pilot, and the Eva does its best to follow those instructions through whatever means necessary.
I... respectfully disagree. My thing on Yui being in the pilot's seat, so to speak, stems from Unit01's voice actor being the same as Rei and Yui, just pitched down. Not to mention Unit01's rejection of the Dummy plug is pretty blatantly stated to be Yui's direct doing. Lastly, Character notes 51 backs me up on the berserking being Yui protecting Shinji. No mention of Unit 01 being directed or guided, just a mother ripping apart her son's bullies with tooth, claw, and physics-raping bullshit.
 
I honestly can't see Yui Ikari as a Mama Bear.

I just can't.

The woman was cray from the very beginning. And someone who is perfectly willing to let the near extinction of humanity go through for whatever reason is someone that is not meant to be sympathetic.

Even if Yui knew about the Instrumentality plans, there wasn't a whole lot she could do about it from her position. She may have had ties to SEELE, but she was pretty low on the totem pole. Also, as Giant Robot Mom Unit 01, she was a central figure in the attempt to stop it.

On the other hand, this is still the woman who decided that the culmination of her life's work would be when she turned herself into a giant robot via gooification, and made everyone in the world who cared for her at all watch. Without explaining what she was doing, for maximum mental trauma.

Compared to that, Gendo "I will hijack the apocalypse to reunite with my wife" Ikari is the saner parent.
 
Even if Yui knew about the Instrumentality plans, there wasn't a whole lot she could do about it from her position
...Did you see End of Evangelion, by any chance?

On the other hand, this is still the woman who decided that the culmination of her life's work would be when she turned herself into a giant robot via gooification, and made everyone in the world who cared for her at all watch. Without explaining what she was doing, for maximum mental trauma.

Compared to that, Gendo "I will hijack the apocalypse to reunite with my wife" Ikari is the saner parent.
Which is why I can't really view Yui as sympathetic.

At least Gendo apologized in the end.
 
Cae Lumis' Thoughts on Yui's Motivations
As stated one of my earlier posts (specifically Advice and Trust [NGE]), Yui's actions would be best framed as not psychotic or crazy, but as desperation.

Let's take a step back and look at the chess masters behind the whole shebang, SEELE. They as far as we know hold all the cards, or at most a great deal of the cards to Third Impact. They have the Dead Sea Scrolls, They have agents and hitmen at their beck and call who can make people disappear easily (See Yui say as much in Episode 21), They have control of all the other MAGI Computers, They have the EVA Series, They have control of the JSSDF (And most likely many other Armed Forces around the world), and they have both physical body of ADAM (Prior to Gendoh taking it for himself and surgically implanting it into his hand/eating it) and the soul of ADAM in Kaworu amongst all other things... oh and they're rich as well. So in short, they have the foresight, manpower, and pockets needed to get whatever they wanted.

Now imagine if Yui stopped the plans to Instrumentality early, as in, before Third Impact was well underway and SEELE was turned into goo. What would happen? You'd have a pissed off SEELE and a NERV that is WOEFULLY outgunned and at a severe disadvantage. Sure, they could ROFL stomp the JSSDF (or any other Armed Forces joining in as back up) using Unit-01 (which let's not forget didn't ingest a S2 organ this time around, that honor goes to Unit-03 thanks to Bardiel), but there's still the virtually invincible EVA-Series with the Lance of Longinus Copies... and SEELE has been at this since the medieval era if the Classified Information of Evangelion is to be believed. What would be the sane answer to stoping a for all intents and purposes omniscient secret organization with control over the world via the UN?

Any plan Yui would have to concoct to stop SEELE would have to essentially involve taking them all down in one shot... otherwise NERV and the world would have to deal with a pissed off SEELE for years to come.... or the world could devolve a world-wide conflict versus rival nations and their EVA's and Werewolves...lol. But I digress.

Yes, Yui might not earn Mother of the Year, but put her decisions into perspective and remember who she is dealing with. Yes, the EVA's were made to stop the Angels, but this is only to serve in furthering the end game that is Third Impact. What better way to throw a monkey wrench into that plan then being the resident soul in said plan's lynchpin? In other words, she made a hasty and desperate choice because of the threat SEELE poses to the world, because she was both short of time (again, Episode 21 all but confirms SEELE was threatening her life if she didn't follow their scenario) and because she loved her son enough to sacrifice being there for him in person so that she can protect him in the form of EVA-01 when SEELE began the process of kick-starting Third Impact.
 
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...Did you see End of Evangelion, by any chance?

A long time ago. That was where it was revealed that SEELE, which may or may not include her own father, was planning to "disappear" her, and she found out, prompting her...um, transformation sequence, right?

It's been years since I saw any of Evangelion besides Rebuild. My memories are a bit vague.
 
I don't know if Rei breaking character would have helped. That would have almost unraveled all the behind-the-scenes work the Children have done to this point. I don't think for a second that Ritsuko would have NOT drugged Rei again (again, I still think Ritsuko would have done it "for the sake of the Scenario" even without her hating Rei), and now there's a fuckton of stuff that she and Gendo were not aware about that needs to be looked into.
That's what Rei was thinking; for as much as she wanted to scream when Ritsuko held up that needle, she knew saying anything in protest would just mean very bad things; her whole detoxification would be revealed, her friends complicity in helping her exposed, and the fact she's rebelling against the Scenario completely now would come to light. So she held her tongue and counted on Shinji and Asuka helping her later. She trusts them to save her.
And that's why I have betas. I see Ritsuko as a victim, and that makes me ignore some things.

From my standpoint, I still see breaking character as an option; but Rei wouldn't, simply because she doesn't know about Ritsuko's slowly shifting private world. And even if she knew, she would be wary of revealing such a big secret, as to her, RA is her personal tormentor's executioner.

To me, Akagi is simply a caring person that slowly becomes jaded by a relationship that started as a secret desire to upstage her mother. The only problem I see is the current point she is at, because it can really go both ways at such a revelation, in that she either defects to their cause, or plummets off the cliff and spits into everyone's drink.
Then add in the possibility that, as similarly depicted in some fanfics, the souls within the Evas have no way of knowing exactly what is happening in the outside world except by 1) overhearing people talking about things while next to the Evas (Gendo and Ritsuko do talk a few times around Unit 01, and fanfics seem to like to portray Gendo as frequently having a one-sided conversation with Yui in Unit 01), 2) reading the pilots' thoughts as they synch with them (the higher the synch rate, the deeper they can effortlessly read)... and that Yui has nothing but shock and outrage for all the things that she's seeing Gendou doing to everyone around him (be it through Shinji's eyes and ears or through the man's own admission).

Now imagine this Yui, who is barely restraining her wrath at Gendou and seriously considering to go into Berserk Mode and throw out the possibility of achieving her Scenario (at least, anywhere near as relatively smoothly as she had planned) just so she put an end to this madness that she had never intended to have happen, discovering through Shinji's distressed thoughts what Ritsuko had just pulled (and astonishingly taking the time to rationalize that it's somehow caused by Gendou).

Yeah, Bad with a capital B. On the bright side, Yui going mama-bear over Rei would surely make the girl feel humbled and overjoyed that one of her two love interests' mothers considers her as a daughter of sorts.
I re-iterate: Write it. Now.
 
Any plan Yui would have to concoct to stop SEELE would have to essentially involve taking them all down in one shot... otherwise NERV and the world would have to deal with a pissed off SEELE for years to come.... or the world could devolve a world-wide conflict versus rival nations and their EVA's and Werewolves...lol. But I digress.

Yes, Yui might not earn Mother of the Year, but put her decisions into perspective and remember who she is dealing with. Yes, the EVA's were made to stop the Angels, but this is only to serve in furthering the end game that is Third Impact. What better way to throw a monkey wrench into that plan then being the resident soul in said plan's lynchpin? In other words, she made a hasty and desperate choice because of the threat SEELE poses to the world, because she was both short of time (again, Episode 21 all but confirms SEELE was threatening her life if she didn't follow their scenario) and because she loved her son enough to sacrifice being there for him in person so that she can protect him in the form of EVA-01 when SEELE began the process of kick-starting Third Impact.
I dunno.

I mean, Gendo's pretty crazy and called the Bastard King for a reason. Yui was not unaware of how capable he was.

Setting up that Alpha Strike to cripple and destroy SEELE from under their very noses isn't really all that far fetched when held up in comparison to the convoluted mess that was the Red Earth Purification Ceremony.

She probably should have tried, you know, talking it over with her husband first.
 
To be honest, I'm not to sure about that plan.

Yes while the Red Earth Purification Ceremony was convoluted, and involved the first priority of taking out the Angels (who were more or less either trying to do the same thing for their own kind, revert all lilin based life back to square one, or doing diddly squat), one has to remember that SEELE still holds all the cards in that department. The first whiff that Yui and Gendo aren't playing by SEELE's rules, and bang, Shinji becomes a proper orphan (note: this might make for an interesting fan fiction if anyone wants that plot bunny...). Remember, from what Episode 21 implies, it took hardly anything to notice Yui wasn't all for their plans (considering that she's a daughter of one of the big-wigs of SEELE, this might have made things easier for them to notice this), so if both Yui and Gendo are all for stopping SEELE... what would happen?

The way I see it, open rebellion against SEELE early on brings way too many risks. They have hitmen who can take out opponents with ease for one thing, and if Kiel isn't squeamish enough to end the entire world, then he isn't squeamish in just silencing Gendo and Yui while NERV is still Gehirn and find someone far more compliant to do the job. For the sake of debate though, let's say Yui and Gendo managed to pull a wall over their eyes and play their game, what then? Well, SEELE would find someone else to be the resident soul of Unit-01, which would mean both a resident soul and pilot who might be far easier to control then Shinji and Yui, and less likely to go berserk on them (meaning no Zeruel S2 Organ ingestion, no making Unit-01 a major threat to SEELE's plans.), making it only far more complicated in subverting the whole damn thing. Before even suggesting Yui asks Gendo to be the resident soul of Unit-01, let's consider the fact Gendo went apeshit and decided to go along with a plan that could potentially end the world (if we believe his implications that his plan was less devastating than SEELE's) just to bring her back, so most likely he'd shoot that plan down since Yui is pretty much his emotional crutch and he'd have trouble going on in life without her.

Going further along, and Gendo somehow agrees to Yui being the Resident Soul, and Shinji remains the pilot, and SOMEHOW Gendo can bring himself to NOT act like the bruiser with a bad temper he was in his youth towards his son, what then? Well, assuming that Gendo manages to move all the pieces under SEELE's noses and manages to hold himself together to NOT be a dick, then... there'd be no Rei (remember, she was created Just for Gendo's plan), meaning it'd be just Shinji, Asuka (maybe Toji, and Marie Vincennes if you count the RPG White Paper as grey-canon. By-the-by, it's not Maria, I double checked the katakana, it'd be Marie since there's no a sound at the end.), against the EVA Series, and we didn't even cover Kyoko's madness!

If Shinji was a well-adjusted boy meeting the not-so-well adjusted Asuka, hoo boy... that'd be even worse. They wouldn't have that "We're the same" moment that Kensuke and Shinji have in the canon series (or for that matter the same moment between Asuka and Shinji in this very fan fiction), because they didn't go through the same traumas... they would have no way to relate to each other and cause further complications. For all we know, there'd be a greater chance of Shinji fucking up and rejecting her just because she had a bad nightmare one night and decided to take it out on Shinji.

The more one assumes that there's a way to avert SEELE's plan just by having Yui talk it over with Gendo, the more you realize that you have to assume everyone else would be equally rational and sane. NERV is populated by basket-cases, it'd be far too easy for the whole thing to unravel. EVEN IF one assumes they're all sane and that everything goes to plan and they have Unit-01, 02, 03 all working in concert, you still have SEELE's EVA-Series, whatever Armed Forces SEELE has at their beck and call, the governments of many countries at their disposal (via manipulation of facts, not directly paid off), the previously mentioned hitmen/ agents, and all the other NERV bases... who are more than likely able to manufacture their own EVA's. The end result would be quite obvious... a long drawn out bloody war between NERV and SEELE's EVA's where the risk of just one of SEELE's EVA's can be the one that can trigger Third Impact...

Now, let's take a step back, cause certainly there has to be a way to cut the proverbial gordian knot. For example, Yui and Gendo can just out SEELE to the Nations of the World and... oh wait... Yui and Gendo knew (and Gendo even probably aided and betted) that SEELE caused Second Impact. Not only would SEELE go down, everyone tied to that affair would be dragged down with them. The only way to truly stop SEELE would either be prior to Second Impact (which let's remember was to minimize the risks of ADAM waking up and ending the world early, so probably a bad idea), or go all Godfather on SEELE and murder them all the moment all the Angels are gone... somehow.

Just because Yui might make a different choice... doesn't mean it can affect the outcome in a good way. In many respects... it might have just made things far... far worse.
 
...Did you see End of Evangelion, by any chance?
He was referring to her position before she had herself absorbed by Unit-01. I can't believe I have to point this out.

Which is why I can't really view Yui as sympathetic.

At least Gendo apologized in the end.
He apologized because he realized that he screwed things up big time for everyone, with him throwing several wrenches into Yui's plan that complicated its progression (and could've ruined it if, say, he accidentally drove Shinji to despair-induced suicide). Yui's plan generally without a hitch in the most crucial parts, and as Cae Lumis explains below, being desperate rather than being fully OK with what she's doing is the likelier possibility.

As stated one of my earlier posts (specifically Advice and Trust [NGE]), Yui's actions would be best framed as not psychotic or crazy, but as desperation.

Let's take a step back and look at the chess masters behind the whole shebang, SEELE. They as far as we know hold all the cards, or at most a great deal of the cards to Third Impact. They have the Dead Sea Scrolls, They have agents and hitmen at their beck and call who can make people disappear easily (See Yui say as much in Episode 21), They have control of all the other MAGI Computers, They have the EVA Series, They have control of the JSSDF (And most likely many other Armed Forces around the world), and they have both physical body of ADAM (Prior to Gendoh taking it for himself and surgically implanting it into his hand/eating it) and the soul of ADAM in Kaworu amongst all other things... oh and they're rich as well. So in short, they have the foresight, manpower, and pockets needed to get whatever they wanted.

Now imagine if Yui stopped the plans to Instrumentality early, as in, before Third Impact was well underway and SEELE was turned into goo. What would happen? You'd have a pissed off SEELE and a NERV that is WOEFULLY outgunned and at a severe disadvantage. Sure, they could ROFL stomp the JSSDF (or any other Armed Forces joining in as back up) using Unit-01 (which let's not forget didn't ingest a S2 organ this time around, that honor goes to Unit-03 thanks to Bardiel), but there's still the virtually invincible EVA-Series with the Lance of Longinus Copies... and SEELE has been at this since the medieval era if the Classified Information of Evangelion is to be believed. What would be the sane answer to stoping a for all intents and purposes omniscient secret organization with control over the world via the UN?

Any plan Yui would have to concoct to stop SEELE would have to essentially involve taking them all down in one shot... otherwise NERV and the world would have to deal with a pissed off SEELE for years to come.... or the world could devolve a world-wide conflict versus rival nations and their EVA's and Werewolves...lol. But I digress.

Yes, Yui might not earn Mother of the Year, but put her decisions into perspective and remember who she is dealing with. Yes, the EVA's were made to stop the Angels, but this is only to serve in furthering the end game that is Third Impact. What better way to throw a monkey wrench into that plan then being the resident soul in said plan's lynchpin? In other words, she made a hasty and desperate choice because of the threat SEELE poses to the world, because she was both short of time (again, Episode 21 all but confirms SEELE was threatening her life if she didn't follow their scenario) and because she loved her son enough to sacrifice being there for him in person so that she can protect him in the form of EVA-01 when SEELE began the process of kick-starting Third Impact.
This, oh so much this. I kindly cite the flashback scene in the anime where she and Fuyutsuki have what seems to be their last conversation.

A long time ago. That was where it was revealed that SEELE, which may or may not include her own father, was planning to "disappear" her, and she found out, prompting her...um, transformation sequence, right?

It's been years since I saw any of Evangelion besides Rebuild. My memories are a bit vague.
Actually, I think that scene was in the TV series.

I re-iterate: Write it. Now.
... I'm not a good enough writer yet to do that. Besides, this actually has been written by other authors years ago. Observe this take that happens a lot earlier than usual (mind you, it could've been better written, but it serves its purpose). Then there are the Yui-centric installments of the Superwomen of Eva family of stories, like Fiery Return or The Hand of Fate.

By-the-by, it's not Maria, I double checked the katakana, it'd be Marie since there's no a sound at the end.
... Wow, you're right. Someone ought to correct that mistake in the wikis.

Just because Yui might make a different choice... doesn't mean it can affect the outcome in a good way. In many respects... it might have just made things far... far worse.
This sums it all up.

Also, fun fact: The canonical behavior of Nerv's Security Department (famously known as "Section 2" in the fandom, due to one line referring to "Section 2 of the Security Department") strongly hints that they're actually working for Seele rather than Nerv.

  1. Shinji somehow manages to give them the slip for several days, before they conveniently pinpoint his location after spending the night at Kensuke's. Either they're both terribly incompetent at keeping watch over their VIPs (hey, he's an Eva pilot; the world's survival depends on him staying alive and well, of course he's VIP!) as well as searching for them and unbelievably lucky... or they were deliberately falsifying their reports to Nerv (or at least, to Misato) and delaying their retrieval of Shinji, having been keeping good track of Shinji's general whereabouts all along. Possible motive: Seele is using the SecDep guys as a subtle threat to remind Gendou of their power over him and his organization.
  2. Fuyutsuki gets kidnapped by Seele right under Nerv's nose. Again, astonishingly lax security, implying an insider job.
  3. Asuka is MIA for a whole week after she ran away, only to be recovered on the same day that the new pilot and Asuka's replacement, Kaworu Nagsia, arrives to perform Seele's bidding. Too much to be coincidence.
  4. Pure speculation, but Tokyo-3 suffers a city-wide blackout in Episode 11 without anyone being the wiser. One would think that since Nerv's security is partially dependent on the security of the city they're in, then Nerv SecDep's jurisdiction would extend to preventing any sabotage efforts directed at Tokyo-3. Yet they're mysteriously absent throughout the whole incident, and it's strongly implied that the blackout was an attempt by Seele to gain intel on the electric grid (which was foiled by Ritsuko rigging the grid's sectors to restore power randomly).
  5. Another case of speculation: Kaji's murder. Only ones with a motive: Gendo and Seele.
  6. A third speculative case: The JSSDF invasion. Why the hell are the regular khaki-dressed Nerv employees the only ones defending the base? Where are the MIB-dressed security guys?
So with all this evidence strongly implicating Nerv's own security department as being in cahoots with Seele all along, and thus indicating their infiltration capabilities are quite potent, this adds a whole new dimension to Yui's decision on how to deal with Seele's conspiracy.
 
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Yes while the Red Earth Purification Ceremony was convoluted, and involved the first priority of taking out the Angels (who were more or less either trying to do the same thing for their own kind, revert all lilin based life back to square one, or doing diddly squat), one has to remember that SEELE still holds all the cards in that department. The first whiff that Yui and Gendo aren't playing by SEELE's rules, and bang, Shinji becomes a proper orphan (note: this might make for an interesting fan fiction if anyone wants that plot bunny...). Remember, from what Episode 21 implies, it took hardly anything to notice Yui wasn't all for their plans (considering that she's a daughter of one of the big-wigs of SEELE, this might have made things easier for them to notice this), so if both Yui and Gendo are all for stopping SEELE... what would happen?
Better question:

Gendo managed to maneuver himself into controlling NERV, and thus, the Evangelions, even while SEELE was aware of the fact that he was only nominally working for them and therefore aware of his intentions to betray him.

Yet they allowed Gendo to live and continued playing out the charade, only because they weren't aware of Gendo's masterstroke of hijacking Adam until at least the loss of the Lance of Longinus.

So under what circumstances would Yui's continued presence and assistance actually negatively impacted the Ikari's ability to play along to SEELE's satisfaction? Because I'm not seeing it.

The way I see it, open rebellion against SEELE early on brings way too many risks. They have hitmen who can take out opponents with ease for one thing, and if Kiel isn't squeamish enough to end the entire world, then he isn't squeamish in just silencing Gendo and Yui while NERV is still Gehirn and find someone far more compliant to do the job. For the sake of debate though, let's say Yui and Gendo managed to pull a wall over their eyes and play their game, what then? Well, SEELE would find someone else to be the resident soul of Unit-01, which would mean both a resident soul and pilot who might be far easier to control then Shinji and Yui, and less likely to go berserk on them (meaning no Zeruel S2 Organ ingestion, no making Unit-01 a major threat to SEELE's plans.), making it only far more complicated in subverting the whole damn thing. Before even suggesting Yui asks Gendo to be the resident soul of Unit-01, let's consider the fact Gendo went apeshit and decided to go along with a plan that could potentially end the world (if we believe his implications that his plan was less devastating than SEELE's) just to bring her back, so most likely he'd shoot that plan down since Yui is pretty much his emotional crutch and he'd have trouble going on in life without her.
Then don't do it early on.

You're assuming that Yui's death was set in stone from the very start, and...I'm not sure that's an accurate assumption to make. Anyway, what you're arguing is that the canon events were a better plan because it involved sheer dumb luck managing to pay off....Up until the endgame where it all went down the drain and left two kids on a beach alone looking at half of the giant head of their fellow companion smiling at them as a stupidly gigantic corpse.

So long as the Angels were dead and humanity was not reduced to Tang, then things would have been better off than in canon. It's not a particularly high bar to reach.

And, because it bears repeating, I don't see the need for Yui to die. Its an assumption that I'm not willing to accept without actual hard proof, considering the shit that the Old Men allowed Kaji and Gendo to get away with in canon.
Going further along, and Gendo somehow agrees to Yui being the Resident Soul, and Shinji remains the pilot, and SOMEHOW Gendo can bring himself to NOT act like the bruiser with a bad temper he was in his youth towards his son, what then? Well, assuming that Gendo manages to move all the pieces under SEELE's noses and manages to hold himself together to NOT be a dick, then... there'd be no Rei (remember, she was created Just for Gendo's plan), meaning it'd be just Shinji, Asuka (maybe Toji, and Marie Vincennes if you count the RPG White Paper as grey-canon. By-the-by, it's not Maria, I double checked the katakana, it'd be Marie since there's no a sound at the end.), against the EVA Series, and we didn't even cover Kyoko's madness!
So what?

Asuka was, from the very beginning, unnecessary for the overall plan except as an asset in battle to kill the Angels. A role she fulfilled sufficiently in canon. Even if her life doesn't turn out any better, that has no bearing on an overall success rate, because even if her life goes to shit like in canon, then the necessary conditions to create a better conclusion will be met anyway.

That's all there is to it.

If Shinji was a well-adjusted boy meeting the not-so-well adjusted Asuka, hoo boy... that'd be even worse. They wouldn't have that "We're the same" moment that Kensuke and Shinji have in the canon series (or for that matter the same moment between Asuka and Shinji in this very fan fiction), because they didn't go through the same traumas... they would have no way to relate to each other and cause further complications. For all we know, there'd be a greater chance of Shinji fucking up and rejecting her just because she had a bad nightmare one night and decided to take it out on Shinji.
Again, so what?

That just drives Asuka to further attempts to secure her position as Top Pilot up until at least the Arael battle, after which point it's all irrelevant anyway because Rei is still on the table and will be at least just as motivated to make the Heroic Sacrifice as in canon, and Kaworu is still trumped by Rei's AT field, just like in canon.

Worst case scenario is that he just puts up a bit more of a fight before he gets crushed like a bug.

The more one assumes that there's a way to avert SEELE's plan just by having Yui talk it over with Gendo, the more you realize that you have to assume everyone else would be equally rational and sane. NERV is populated by basket-cases, it'd be far too easy for the whole thing to unravel. EVEN IF one assumes they're all sane and that everything goes to plan and they have Unit-01, 02, 03 all working in concert, you still have SEELE's EVA-Series, whatever Armed Forces SEELE has at their beck and call, the governments of many countries at their disposal (via manipulation of facts, not directly paid off), the previously mentioned hitmen/ agents, and all the other NERV bases... who are more than likely able to manufacture their own EVA's. The end result would be quite obvious... a long drawn out bloody war between NERV and SEELE's EVA's where the risk of just one of SEELE's EVA's can be the one that can trigger Third Impact...
This would all be true, if we were talking as if they weren't actually predictable.

But we already have a roadmap of the various issues at play based on canon, and while the Butterfly effect is indeed quite real, none of those are based on factors that would overly impact the overall canon for the worse.

Because, once again, the entire point of the exercise is proposing a way that Third Impact can be averted.

Not accepting it as an inevitability.

So, let's be real for a second. Yui doesnt get absorbed in the contact experiment?

Who is most affected, right off the bat? Kyoko Zeppelin Sohryu, of course.

She doesnt set up any protections for her own contact experiment, disappears right off the bat, and now young Asuka isnt traumatized by the concerns about potential abandonment issues, doesnt see her mom kill herself, and doesn't develop her crippling neurosis towards dolls that negatively impacts her ability to interact with Rei. Worst case? She becomes withdrawn like Shinji in canon due to her father abandoning her too.

The Akagis? They pine for Gendo, sure, but they don't go all nutso and try to kill Rei over it. If anything, Yui would be the one directly overseeing Rei's development herself. They stay on as staff, and because theyre all either a combination of thirsty for Rokubungi or just straight up scientists, theres very little odds of them being able to turned against the project directly via SEELE's meddling.

So the Old Men try and escalate stuff? What's the honest worst that could happen? Without an S2 core in an Evangelion, the Eva series cant recreate the Tree of Sephirot. They'd have to use Lillith's corpse directly, which is something that the Ikari's can very easily destroy from within it's place in Terminal Dogma.

Simple.

Now, let's take a step back, cause certainly there has to be a way to cut the proverbial gordian knot. For example, Yui and Gendo can just out SEELE to the Nations of the World and... oh wait... Yui and Gendo knew (and Gendo even probably aided and betted) that SEELE caused Second Impact. Not only would SEELE go down, everyone tied to that affair would be dragged down with them. The only way to truly stop SEELE would either be prior to Second Impact (which let's remember was to minimize the risks of ADAM waking up and ending the world early, so probably a bad idea), or go all Godfather on SEELE and murder them all the moment all the Angels are gone... somehow.
No.

The way to stop SEELE is to stop them from getting all of the stupidly circumstantial pieces necessary for their version of Third Impact to take place.

Deny them that, and they lose.

And please, if just anyone could make an Evangelion off the fly, then the MP Eva's being completed when they were wouldn't have been such an absolute shock to NERV during EoE, nor would there have been so few Eva's actually made prior to that. Giant Mecha are stupidly cost prohibitive, to the point where something like Jet Alone was seriously considered to be more economically viable.

To the point where Gendo felt it necessary to sabotage them so completely as to secure any and all funding that would have gone towards them to be given directly to NERV instead.

There's no need to fear imagined boogeymen when there's ample evidence of the circumstances involved which can be analyzed to lead us to more accurate conclusions.

He was referring to her position before she had herself absorbed by Unit-01. I can't believe I have to point this out.
At what point did her position change?

Because the whole "becoming a grave marker, an everlasting monument to the fact that humanity was here" sounded like it was Yui's intended payoff for that from the start, while also encouraging Shinji to encourage freedom of choice from being Tang.

...Which is, honestly speaking, a pretty bad endgame. Setting aside the "Deep" "symbolism" and whatnot.
 
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By-the-by, it's not Maria, I double checked the katakana, it'd be Marie since there's no a sound at the end.),
... Wow, you're right. Someone ought to correct that mistake in the wikis.
To be fair, it's quite awkward trying to write names like 'Maria' in a syllable-based language. Besides, 'Marie' is not really widely used, nowadays, so I would call import over accuracy in terms of translation.
 
Shinji: "Father - have Dr. Akagi stop drugging Rei."
Gendo: "Or what?"
Shinji: "Or I make her stop."
Gendo: "You do not have the authority."
Shinji: "I control a giant robot - OF COURSE I have the authority."
Gendo: "...is that a threat?"
Shinji: "A promise."

I always love these attempts.

Gendo: "And I got activation codes and ability to shut it down. Now shut up and go cry in the corner or something"
 
I... respectfully disagree. My thing on Yui being in the pilot's seat, so to speak, stems from Unit01's voice actor being the same as Rei and Yui, just pitched down. Not to mention Unit01's rejection of the Dummy plug is pretty blatantly stated to be Yui's direct doing. Lastly, Character notes 51 backs me up on the berserking being Yui protecting Shinji. No mention of Unit 01 being directed or guided, just a mother ripping apart her son's bullies with tooth, claw, and physics-raping bullshit.
I DID have part of a response typed up as for my thoughts on the functional nature of an Eva and the soul in its core, and then I rememebered Hikari very much responding to Shinji and Asuka inside Unit-03 in a way that totally disagrees with my approach, specifically her being aware enough to not just recognize "Pilot is in trouble, murderfuck source of danger," but be capable of higher thought (consciously acknowledging that Shinji and Asuka are sleeping with each other) before she is extracted from the core.

And man, no more late night posting on my phone. Too many typos and not enough responding to what the hell I'm telling my phone to do. Rather appropriate in an Evangelion thread.
 
Holy shit SV's functionality is shitty on mobile. Also I couldn't edit my post to add quotes without it being done manually.
To be fair, it's quite awkward trying to write names like 'Maria' in a syllable-based language. Besides, 'Marie' is not really widely used, nowadays, so I would call import over accuracy in terms of translation.
Having studied a little Japanese myself, "Maria" is hilariously easy to "spell" so I can only see this as an outright translation error. In fact, "Marie" would use the exact same characters as RoE-canonical Mari Makinami's first name with the only functional difference being how you pronounce it, which I think would only crop up when you export it out of Japanese. "Maria" uses the exact same characters with one extra "A" sound at the end. If people still care I can rope together the characters later when I have a proper computer back.
I always love these attempts.

Gendo: "And I got activation codes and ability to shut it down. Now shut up and go cry in the corner or something"
You'd think an actively fighting pilot and Eva would be able to lock out controls and commands as easily as stuff like Bardiel does in canon.
 
Having studied a little Japanese myself, "Maria" is hilariously easy to "spell" so I can only see this as an outright translation error. In fact, "Marie" would use the exact same characters as RoE-canonical Mari Makinami's first name with the only functional difference being how you pronounce it, which I think would only crop up when you export it out of Japanese. "Maria" uses the exact same characters with one extra "A" sound at the end. If people still care I can rope together the characters later when I have a proper computer back.
Eh? "Maria" is one of the easiest Western names imaginable to write in katakana: no closed syllables, no exotic consonants, no rounded front vowels, ...
I know it is easy to 'spell out' as it were, but if I'm not totally mis-remembering it (which is possible, with my advanced age :lol), double different vowels usually don't happen, only vowel lengthening.

Native please?
 
In fact, "Marie" would use the exact same characters as RoE-canonical Mari Makinami's first name with the only functional difference being how you pronounce it, which I think would only crop up when you export it out of Japanese.
Actually, the katakana provided for Vincennes' name is pronounced Marii (yes, there's an extra i kana at the end), while Makinami's name is pronounced Mari. So no, Vincennes does not use "the exact same characters" in her name as Makinami, as the former has an extra character that the latter does not.

Yes, I know this may seem a bit pedantic.
 
I know it is easy to 'spell out' as it were, but if I'm not totally mis-remembering it (which is possible, with my advanced age :lol), double different vowels usually don't happen, only vowel lengthening.
A quick look on a Japanese-English dictionary site with substring search indicates that Japanese contains native words whose romaji spelling contains the substring "ria", such as eriashi "nape of neck; border of hair at back of neck" and ariawase "anything available; on hand; ready".
 
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