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Yeah, I'm sorry, @Doctor Squared , but that post is just a list of arguments, like throwing something at the wall and hoping it will stick. So - yes, Ritsuko is the MAGI sysadmin, but that is just the pragmatism argument again. If Misato had used that, okay, I would be considerably more receptive towards it. But that wasn't Misato's argument. Misato's argument was "people can change" and that isn't enough. It really doesn't address what Ritsuko has done, which is not only chemical torture, but contribution to torture, period (not that Asuka knows that yet).
And yes, Ritsuko is or was Misato's friend and is Maya's lover. How does that enter the ethical calculus at any point? Maybe Misato should simply get better at choosing and maintaining friendships... It seems to me the take-away from that argument is that if you have enough social graces, just about everything can be forgiven to you. As someone who isn't exactly a social butterfly himself, I absolutely disagree. And yes of course Asuka wouldn't sit there and let Shinji or Rei be insulted. But then, the difference is Shinji and Rei also wouldn't deserve it.
As for Asuka being an EVA pilot, well, sure. But she is one whether she insults Ritsuko or not. Professionalism isn't a requirement for being an EVA pilot, "can synch with an EVA unit" is. And EVA pilots are rare enough that they have to be accommodated, not the other way round.
In the end, the important point in your post is that Misato's argument is in fact poor, and that Asuka is right to remain dismissive and angry at Ritsuko.
Now, I could understand Misato saying that she is annoyed by that, that if it is Ritsuko Asuka hates she should go annoy Ritsuko, not Misato with her constant negative bad comments. Because, yeah, as it is, Ritsuko feels maybe some icy glares at synch tests, whereas Misato always gets to hear Asuka rant. Then again, as someone has posted, Asuka usually starts calmly, so if Misato just didn't comment it... but anyway, that as well is not what Misato's argument was. Misato's argument was "People can change", and to that the obvious counter IS "So what, doesn't change what they've done". Just changing one's mind isn't enough.
Also, wouldn't a direct confrontation go exactly against what others have used in their arguments against me? That Ritsuko at worst feels some icy glares at synch-tests goes to show that Asuka does behave professionally and doesn't torpedo the working relationship with Ritsuko. So, where's the problem? And finally, what would a direct personal confrontation even get either side? There's literally nothing Ritsuko could say to convince Asuka, or at least going by Asuka's attitudes so far, there shouldn't be. As far as Asuka is concerned, she could as well just die, or maybe first help to prevent the destruction of the world she has contributed to and then die.
And yes, Ritsuko is or was Misato's friend and is Maya's lover. How does that enter the ethical calculus at any point? Maybe Misato should simply get better at choosing and maintaining friendships... It seems to me the take-away from that argument is that if you have enough social graces, just about everything can be forgiven to you. As someone who isn't exactly a social butterfly himself, I absolutely disagree. And yes of course Asuka wouldn't sit there and let Shinji or Rei be insulted. But then, the difference is Shinji and Rei also wouldn't deserve it.
As for Asuka being an EVA pilot, well, sure. But she is one whether she insults Ritsuko or not. Professionalism isn't a requirement for being an EVA pilot, "can synch with an EVA unit" is. And EVA pilots are rare enough that they have to be accommodated, not the other way round.
In the end, the important point in your post is that Misato's argument is in fact poor, and that Asuka is right to remain dismissive and angry at Ritsuko.
It'd be pretty hard not to be the better person than Ritsuko. You'd need to be Gendo or Kiel for that.
Now, I could understand Misato saying that she is annoyed by that, that if it is Ritsuko Asuka hates she should go annoy Ritsuko, not Misato with her constant negative bad comments. Because, yeah, as it is, Ritsuko feels maybe some icy glares at synch tests, whereas Misato always gets to hear Asuka rant. Then again, as someone has posted, Asuka usually starts calmly, so if Misato just didn't comment it... but anyway, that as well is not what Misato's argument was. Misato's argument was "People can change", and to that the obvious counter IS "So what, doesn't change what they've done". Just changing one's mind isn't enough.
Also, wouldn't a direct confrontation go exactly against what others have used in their arguments against me? That Ritsuko at worst feels some icy glares at synch-tests goes to show that Asuka does behave professionally and doesn't torpedo the working relationship with Ritsuko. So, where's the problem? And finally, what would a direct personal confrontation even get either side? There's literally nothing Ritsuko could say to convince Asuka, or at least going by Asuka's attitudes so far, there shouldn't be. As far as Asuka is concerned, she could as well just die, or maybe first help to prevent the destruction of the world she has contributed to and then die.
