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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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@Goldfish, I just did a bit of math to see how much we'll need to equip everyone we want to equip.

A Medium Greatsword according to Weapons has a weight of 8 lbs. In this quest we have traditionally used a multiplier of 8 when it comes to calculating size increases. So a Large Greatsword would then weigh 64 lbs.

We have 46 Fighter 2 Minotaurs to equip, so:

46 x 64 = 2,944 lbs of Adamantium

And then there's the matter of Argo and Ser Aubert Flowers' armor. We are of course giving both of them Reinforced Segmented Adamantium Fullplate. A Medium Reinforced Segmented Adamantium Fullplate for Ser Aubert Flowers is going to weigh 55 lbs. Toss in a Thinblade for him which I'm assuming weighs 3 lbs since a Longsword weighs 4 lbs and a Rapier weighs 2 lbs. A Large Reinforced Segmented Adamantium Fullplate for Argo will be eight times the medium weight, so we're looking at 440 lbs.

55 lbs + 3 lbs + 440 lbs = 498 lbs

And then altogether:

2,944 lbs + 498 lbs = 3,442 lbs

With that, every Minotaur gets their own Adamantium Greatsword (which honestly fits pretty damn well since Ser Richard is the one pounding military doctrine into their skulls), and Argo and Ser Aubert Flowers are decked out in Reinforced Segmented Adamantium Fullplate with Aubert getting an Adamantium Thinblade on top of that.

And then of course there's the thinblades we're distributing among the Arcanums and the Erinyes.

I love being rich and having a surplus of rare and valuable materials. It's the greatest thing ever.

29,321.5 lbs (original reserve) - 2,944 lbs (47 Fighter 2 Minotaurs) - 440 lbs (Argo the Cunning) - 58 lbs (Aubert Flowers) = 25,751.5 lbs remaining

Anyway, two notes.
1) I want that Valyrian Steel Greataxe for Argo, not just Adamantium.
2) It'd also be nice if we could give the Erinyes their own Dragonsteel Thinblades, but for now Adamantium works just as well.
 
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Goldfish said:
I was thinking about an eventual spin-off for my Worm crossover omakes, once the Glory and crew escape the crapsack that is Earth Bet, where each of the Companions are lost in a different dimension as they pass through a portal.

I haven't nailed down where most of them would end up yet, but if I write any of these, Garin is going to the Shadowrun setting.
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How about Richard in Rokugan?
 
One of those days I will get to my "Viserys is Summoned to the Holy Grail War as a Servant", bit.

Probably during Fate/Zero, with extra shenanigans if he's summoned to Fate/Grand Order. He can even be summoned in the Summer Event as 'Viserys, Lord of the Eternal Beach Party Realm'.
 
I am entirely, 100% against building multiple heralds.
How many Diplomatic fronts will we have having, anyway? We have human diplomats, construct diplomats... Ugh. Waste of Lya time and money.

I could accept upgrading the current Herald if we had to.
Still, there is an advantage in having a Herald to deal with the shitty enemies. We ourselves will be conducting Diplomacy with real threats anyway! The Herald is for rebelling lords, last-minute ultimatums, and weird tribes we don't have the time to deal with.
 
I just feel bad for the lesser heralds dealing with a boss herald. Being a construct tends to not allow one personal growth in the stat side of things.
 
Duesal said:
Would... would Dany really tolerate that? Being treated as a literal child?

Honestly if she went along with that BS that would break my SoD.
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Why not?

We and Dany both have disguised ourselves as regular kids at time. Remember infiltrating our own orphanage? Though that's a while ago.
Still, she plays the child at times, when it's useful. Propably not for long, but long enough to get into Hogwarts in the first place shouldn't be a big deal.

[X] Azel
 
Really fun omake @Sqweaktoy.

Curious to see where things go for poor Dresden.:)

I had a DF crossover idea too a while ago but it was for Proven Guilty where Viserys found about about Molly's transgression of the Laws of Magic and the White Council's policy of murdering children who erred from ignorance. On the one hand he would not be able to take the whole Senior Council on his own when they where together and ready for a fight.... but then again they can't always be in that position. The negotiations would have been tense to say the least.
 
DragonParadox said:
Really fun omake @Sqweaktoy.

Curious to see where things go for poor Dresden.:)

I had a DF crossover idea too a while ago but it was for Proven Guilty where Viserys found about about Molly's transgression of the Laws of Magic and the White Council's policy of murdering children who erred from ignorance. On the one hand he would not be able to take the whole Senior Council on his own when they where together and ready for a fight.... but then again they can't always be in that position. The negotiations would have been tense to say the least.
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Don't forget - there's a reason for the laws, grounded in the metaphysics of magic in the Dresdenverse. If Viserys discovers that, that would be an interesting moment.

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Adamantium use: there's adamantium golems, and also reforging our warforged if he's interested.
 
DragonParadox said:
I had a DF crossover idea too a while ago but it was for Proven Guilty where Viserys found about about Molly's transgression of the Laws of Magic and the White Council's policy of murdering children who erred from ignorance. On the one hand he would not be able to take the whole Senior Council on his own when they where together and ready for a fight.... but then again they can't always be in that position. The negotiations would have been tense to say the least.
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How does the white council feel about some of those laws? Because. Keep in mind. Viserys is a social build too. Letting him try to convince you is probably an even worse idea than throwing fireballs at him.

MTB said:
Don't forget - there's a reason for the laws, grounded in the metaphysics of magic in the Dresdenverse. If Viserys discovers that, that would be an interesting moment.

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Adamantium use: there's adamantium golems, and also reforging our warforged if he's interested.
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We have never been one to let petty things like the laws of physics and magic stop us have we?
 
MTB said:
Don't forget - there's a reason for the laws, grounded in the metaphysics of magic in the Dresdenverse. If Viserys discovers that, that would be an interesting moment.
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Yes.
A reason to change the world.

Because we sure as hell aren't going to keep to these laws, our build would be half-useless if we couldn't burn or mindfuck people anymore.
We are versatile enough to be good anyway, but it would be too much of a shakle to bear for long.
 
Yeah, especially since by word of jim Uriel could destroy galaxies.

But more to the point, the White God of Christianity exists, as do the Hindu Pantheon, the Mothers predate human civilization entirely...

Viserys would be a medium fish in a tremendous pond.
 
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@DragonParadox how much adamantium did Lya want for this meeting place anyway?

Also, does anyone get a different... Flavor from the perspective we're seeing lately? Something feels askew... Or something like that.
 
It's important to remember a few things when discussing the DF laws of magic
1. The books are written very much from Harry's perspective, and he has a very particular set of views that color how he perceives things.
2. Breaking the he laws of magic only really seems to have highly negative effects on mortal (IE human) practitioners. Pretty much every other kind of thinking being doesn't seem to have the same level of reaction to breaking the Laws.

I have some theories as to the why of that second point, and it actually connects to the whole 'free will and power having purpose' thing.

That actually ties back into what I was discussing earlier, because there's one specific thing which very much affects Viserys' power ranking in the Dresdenverse. Does Viserys still count as a
'mortal' in DF terms when it comes to the backlash from breaking the Laws of Magic? pre-transformation I would say definitely. Now that we run on '100% high octane dragon fuel'? Well...
 
Takesis said:
Going back to the conference, what are our vassals doing here again? We're showing them off to the genies or are they to rub shoulders with each other?

Because I imagine Monford Velaryon sandwiched between the Sealord and Zherys ranting at each other with Relath egging the two, Yrael facepalming, while the triton, the serpentfolk, and the child of the forest talk with a phoenix about the concept of money...

His reaction, summarized in one syllable, his frustration, fear, bewilderment, fascination, and despair he felt at what's happening, "...meep!"
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Rubbing shoulders and giving those of them who asked us for it a chance to make their own deals with our planar contacts.
TalonofAnathrax said:
I am entirely, 100% against building multiple heralds.
How many Diplomatic fronts will we have having, anyway? We have human diplomats, construct diplomats... Ugh. Waste of Lya time and money.

I could accept upgrading the current Herald if we had to.
Still, there is an advantage in having a Herald to deal with the shitty enemies. We ourselves will be conducting Diplomacy with real threats anyway! The Herald is for rebelling lords, last-minute ultimatums, and weird tribes we don't have the time to deal with.
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Beside being a diplomat, the Herald is also a powerful combat construct. Having a bunch of them would be rather useful.
 
MTB said:
Don't forget - there's a reason for the laws, grounded in the metaphysics of magic in the Dresdenverse. If Viserys discovers that, that would be an interesting moment.
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As in the decision to beat the metaphysics into submission, which is what he would probably think the White Council should have done all along. The fact that the WC recognizes the Doom of Damocles a something that can work means some at least of those kids could be saved but the wizards prefer the convenience of murder, though they are not a judicial institution most of the defendants would acknowledge. They are being kiled for oathbreaking having never sworn the oaths. That would play merry hell with his sense of justice metaphysics be damned.

Anyway vote closed.

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[X] And the Lord spoke: "Let there be money!"
-[X] Talk about money. Explain to the Sultan and the Sultana how the Planetosi economies are currently running on coinage minted from precious metals. Due to the fluctuation in prices across the planes, most notably the understandable unwillingness of the Opaline Vault to accept gold as currency, you consider this situation untenable. You wish to see trade flourish between the realms and for this, you wish to create a new currency that is accepted on each of the three planes involved in this conference.
-[X] You do not intend to issue a currency backed only by empty promises though, but one that is grounded in something both of them would trust. Their own money.
-[X] You wish to sell the amount of 90.7 tons of adamantine to the Opaline Vault at market value for a sum of 300,000 Great Glass Scepters and 300,000 Silk Notes. This money will remain in the possession of your state, with the Iron Bank of Braavos being entrusted with the storage of that wealth.
-[X] You will then issue a currency that is backed not by your word alone, but by this deposit of foreign currency and a fixed exchange rate. At least 50% of all Imperial Marks in circulation, be it in the form of minted coinage or book money, will be at any time backed by a reserve of planar currency. The exchange rate will be for now fixed at 1 Great Glass Scepter to 2 Imperial Marks. Anyone approaching your state with the desire to redeem their Imperial Marks can thus, at any point in time, have them exchanged for the predetermined value in Great Glass Scepters.
-[X] As for the Planetosi economies, you will pin the Imperial Mark at a 1:1 exchange rate to the Iron Mark, assuming the Iron Bank of Braavos is interested in such an arrangement. (We should not sound as if we can just dictate this to the IB, but let's be honest. They would have to be enormously stupid to not jump at this deal.)
-[X] To not strain the trust needed for this agreement unnecessarily, you will for now operate at 100% backing, thus you will issue 12 million Imperial Marks for now and slowly issue additional currency as the trust in your coinage increase. Alternatively, you will increase your reserves of foreign currency before issuing additional coinage.
-[X] This obviously has implications for their own fiscal relationship. If the Imperial Mark is pinned to both the currencies of the Opaline Vault and Amun Kelisk at a fixed rate, both of these currencies are also indirectly pinned against each other. This would definitely be a boon for trade between their realms, though you are understanding if they feel the time is not yet rife for such close cooperation between their polities. Should this be the case, you will pin your currency only against the Great Glass Scepter, due to the inability to use gold backed currency in the Opaline Vault.
-[X] Should they be interested in a mutual pinning between all three currencies though, you would suggest the formation of a special council to oversee this matter. It should be set up with one representative from each of the involved governments and one banking institute from their respective realms. They would meet regularly and adjust the exchange rates in accordance to the exchanges that have been taken place and the flow of currency through trade. Thus the currencies can stabilize against each other and no single party can take advantage of this arrangement. By making said council consistent of 3 political and 3 economical actors and having decisions made by majority vote, neither the governments can intentionally harm the economy, nor can the economic actors dictate policy. Likewise, no single realm can force a deadlock on the council and neither can two governments conspire against a third. The structure would ensure cooperation to the mutual best interests of all participants.
-[X] If this solution should come to pass, you would like the Iron Bank of Braavos to represent the your realm in it as the independent economic actor. Likewise, you would like to gain the right for them to set up offices in Amun Kelisk and the Opaline Vault to perform currency exchanges there and to offer other financial services. You have a great interest to increase you reserves of planar currency to further stabilize the Imperial Mark by selling bonds that are denominated in the local currencies, with the Iron Bank acting as the intermediate.
-[X] Use these denominations and designs for your coinage.
-[X] If this works out, turn to Lady Uraka and say to her with a sad smile: "Years? I'm saddened by your lack of faith."
No. of Votes: 14
Azel
A_Somebody
Artemis1992
BeepSmile
Crake
Dracikral
Duesal
Goldfish
Massgamer
One Autumn Leaf
Qazplm
Sqweaktoy
TalonofAnathrax
The crazy demon

Total No. of Voters: 14
 
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MTB said:
Adamantium use: there's adamantium golems, and also reforging our warforged if he's interested.
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Hmmm... An Adamantine Golem needs 4,000 lbs of adamantine to be crafted. We can definitely manage that. That said we're probably better off saving it for a custom golem of some kind.

Unfortunately I don't think it's compatible with the Warforged. The reason he's brass is because he was made from purified Living Brass. We might be able to pull it off, but it'd need a research action, and I'd honestly rather just put that time and effort into making more Warforged altogether.
 
@Goldfish
What would you say is a Mythic Tier worth in terms of balance?

With all the features gained by the first one, including the Arcana, a bonus-feat and a path-ability I'd call it a better-than-average level up by itself, with the second Tier being a bit less, but still equivalent to another level or HD.
 
Hmmm. No reason not to go public in Dresden Files...

President Viserys anyone?

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Honestly Viserys would be such an OOC problem for Dresden... Also he can personally nuke a small city with almost no effort in 6 seconds.

Twice if he feels the need. Even is Dresden that is INSANE.
 
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