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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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BeepSmile said:
We could grab all the PC's, de-petrify it under the binding heart tree (after putting it under all the curses and debuffs that can affect a statue), beat it unconscious (asr + merciful bloodwish disintergrate, or whatever. we can non-lethal this thing np), strip it, curse it, make it a turtle, and stick it in the bottle for either Yss or the OG :D

Or the snare, to stop people from freaking out.
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We could, but that takes time, and quite frankly we got lucky. That Power Word Blind is nasty, and I don't want to face it again.
Deliste said:
Dragons can turn into humanoids and it's not that special so the significance of it will be implying we are a fake dragon and human is our real shape after calling the whole species ''lizards" that "you have seen my shape" comment.
I'm confused why this is desirable.

[X] Goldfish
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It's more the Valyrian features that's special rather than simply going to human form, which happens to be exactly what Goldfish is counting on as well.
 
Duesal said:
It's more the Valyrian features that's special rather than simply going to human form, which happens to be exactly what Goldfish is counting on as well.
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Valyria features are worth trying, they aren't worth assuming they will overshadow the implication we are a fake dragon.
The features could just be convergent, the planes are huge, she could assume our natural shapeshift ability was used to mirror her own features etc.
This is just sloppy, and only works as a plan when you assume success.
 
Goldfish said:
Could be. If so, I would have been exploiting the hell out of it. And if she's using Telepath, which is only a +1 CR adjustment, then she should also be using Precognizant. Telepathic Bond, Mind Blank, Moment of Prescience, etc...
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I'm... fairly sure you can't stack templates with her class ability.
Goldfish said:
BTW, just had a thought; Blood Wind is cast as part of a Standard Action to make a Full Attack against a target at range. If we cast the Blood Wind as a Swift Action, would we then also make the Full Attack as a Swift Action?
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Read again: Blood Wind – Spell – D&D Tools

For one round you get to take a full attack action with the benefit of Blood Wind.
Duesal said:
The Xerfilstyx on the other hand, while a prophet of sorts, is still insane. We bookify this guy and all we get is a book of mostly delirious prophecies. Besides, he happens to be a fantastic sacrifice.
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Probably all sorts of SAN-damaging shit, considering it drove a CR 15 devil mad.
Abhishek M said:
Also it just hit me from the Interlude that Viserys has ten points more in Knowledge Arcane and the Planes than Lya. Like that's a lot. Yeesh. Any time he is in the library he should consistently make DC50 checks on average. Like hoolie sheet! What are his random ramblings like?
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The kind of rambling that randomly awaken people to the Truth of Things, aka sorcery.
Duesal said:
Maelephant to the Fungus Forge to unlock the amazing breathweapon for all plant creatures.
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We don't yet know how that will work. Why do we want that anyway? Memory Moss works just as well.

I'd rather have the Nagas, and put an actually useful breath weapon on our plant things. Like the Gorgon's or Steel Calves, or the Kongasomething sonic attack.
Duesal said:
Tor to be reserved for Yss helping the Serpentfolk Eggs hatch as full sentients.
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Why, tho? Yss should have a vested interest in unfucking the eggs, I don't want to pay for that.

At the very least, the priesthood will.
Duesal said:
And the Xerfilstyx for the Tree of the Dawn Age, doubly so since if we feed this one to Yss then we have to sacrifice all the magic items again, whereas the Old Gods will just spit them back out for us.
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Good point.

Also, I agree with Deliste. Calling ourselves a lizard sends all kinds of wrong signals.
 
DragonParadox said:
The soft faint scratching of a quill on parchment distracted her for a moment. "What... Why are you doing that?" Lya corrected herself, knowing she would get a jest for an answer if she asked an inexact question.

"Oh... you see, me and Ember sell some of your mussing off to Scholarum students. You know, when you are just mumbling about the lab talking about stuff and magic." No doubt seeing her scowl the clay wright hastened to explain: "Nothing secret or too advanced and likely to get them hurt, just metaphorical constructs. You know they don't resonate equally with everyone, and you go through a great many of them working on your projects."

"Do I actually get distracted enough that I don't notice you and your sister taking notes?" It was the mage's turn to sound a little sheepish.

"All the time," Spark bobbed her diminutive porcelain head with a clink.

"Well from now on I'd like to look over your notes before you go off with them, just to be safe,"

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OOC: Just to put you guys at ease there's no security breach, just a look into the character of both Lya and her creations (even the ones who do not get a lot of screen time).
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I'm picturing someone compiling six months' worth of Random Shit Lya Says and selling it to the Lannisters as a grand achievement in magical espionage for roughly the price of a small fleet, here.
 
Duesal said:
We could, but that takes time, and quite frankly we got lucky. That Power Word Blind is nasty, and I don't want to face it again.
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I don't see it tbh, three or four alter fortunes, a wings of cover from Viserys, everyone is maxed buffed and hit really hard, then we can just knock it out. with 6-10 level 12-16 chars, I'm not seeing where this would take more than one round :p. And two minutes for set up, a minute or two for stripping, and then a few rounds for best curses and turtling and then bottling for later. This isn't a big deal for me or anyjting, but I do see it as a very low effort action.

This is in the snare, one fiend, on it's own, with prepared party members. looking a PW: Blind, it's permanent only if one has <50 hp, and even then, a heal or panacea after should have you covered :D. And it's SR: Yes.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
We don't yet know how that will work. Why do we want that anyway? Memory Moss works just as well.

I'd rather have the Nagas, and put an actually useful breath weapon on our plant things. Like the Gorgon's or Steel Calves, or the Kongasomething sonic attack.
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We have a full three months to gather sacrifices for the Nagas, so I don't see this as particularly urgent. If it comes down to it towards the end of the deadline then fine. Besides, the Maelephant's breathweapon is great.
Breath Weapon (Su): Three times per day, a maelephant can breathe out a cloud of noxious vapor 10 feet wide and 30 feet long. Victims within the area of the cloud must make a Fortitude save (DC 17) or suffer complete memory loss. Memory loss suppresses all of a creature's ranks in its skills and its feats, and it prevents the use of any class abilities (including spellcasting. Currently prepared spells are not lost; they are simply nor accessible to be cast. Racial abilities are retained. Additionally, the victim no longer knows who its friends and enemies are, doesn't remember its past, and can't even remember its name. The victim can create new memories, but each time it sleeps or rests, any new memories it has created vanish. This condition can be cured by any effect that cures poison (a heal or neutralize poison spell, for example, otherwise, it is permanent.
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Having several plant creatures with this breathweapon would make them very annoying to fight. Not everything has to be flat damage output. This breathweapon was effective enough that you guys decided to take the fight seriously and explicitly not try to capture it, which ended with us getting it by accident.
TotallyNotEvil said:
Why, tho? Yss should have a vested interest in unfucking the eggs, I don't want to pay for that.

At the very least, the priesthood will.
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If it doesn't require sacrifices then obviously we'll be going that route. That'd certainly be preferred for me.
 
Duesal said:
Having several plant creatures with this breathweapon would make them very annoying to fight. Not everything has to be flat damage output. This breathweapon was effective enough that you guys decided to take the fight seriously and explicitly not try to capture it, which ended with us getting it by accident.
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I was looking at a different version then.

But this honestly sounds like "making a weapon that can be turned against you".

It's nasty enough that I'd prefer no one to have it.
 
@Azel Can you at least take the lizard reference out of your plan? It serves no good purpose but does decrease our standing as a Dragon, instead implying that we were merely a human playing Dragon.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
I was looking at a different version then.

But this honestly sounds like "making a weapon that can be turned against you".

It's nasty enough that I'd prefer no one to have it.
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Someone already has it -- the demons. I don't see why we shouldn't get it as well.

Also, making a weapon that can be turned against us? Plant creatures are immune to all mind-affecting effects, so there's no worry of them being dominated against us. I'm don't see what the worry is there. There's a reason we've been utterly unconcerned with churning out Leshys, and why we're happily researching those Darkenbeasts that Deliste wanted so badly. These things are very loyal and obedient thanks to how much the Old Gods like us.
 
Duesal said:
Someone already has it -- the demons. I don't see why we shouldn't get it as well.

Also, making a weapon that can be turned against us? Plant creatures are immune to all mind-affecting effects, so there's no worry of them being dominated against us. I'm don't see what the worry is there. There's a reason we've been utterly unconcerned with churning out Leshys, and why we're happily researching those Darkenbeasts that Deliste wanted so badly. These things are very loyal and obedient thanks to how much the Old Gods like us.
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Control Plants
Command Plants
 
Goldfish said:
Control Plants
Command Plants
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For Control Plants if we're really going to plan as if a high level druid is working against us then we might as well just call it quits with the plant creatures entirely.

For Command Plants, same principle. You're expecting a high-level druid, in a world where the Old Gods are primarily the ones who make druids, to go against us here.

Should we even bother with plant creatures at this point? If we're going to be that paranoid then why waste our efforts here? Why make the Darkenbeasts and the Treants if we're convinced they'll just be usurped from our control?

EDIT: I'm sure there are also several niche spells to seize control of intelligent constructs, but I haven't seen a fuss raised about making our planned constructs like the Herald and Bigger Fish too powerful.
 
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Duesal said:
Someone already has it -- the demons. I don't see why we shouldn't get it as well.
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A rare and powerful kind of demon.
Duesal said:
Plant creatures are immune to all mind-affecting effects
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So are golems. Besides spells, some people flat out have Turn/Rebuke plants.
Duesal said:
Should we even bother with plant creatures at this point? If we're going to be that paranoid then why waste our efforts here? Why make the Darkenbeasts and the Treants if we're convinced they'll just be usurped from our control?
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The difference is that this is like making nukes that can be mind-controlled. Normal plant creatures are just that, normal creatures.

A single one of these fuckers falls into the wrong hands, and it could spell game over.

So yes, I'll advocate we never, ever, make stuff with this breath weapon, and that's assuming we can.

There is such thing as "too dangerous to let live".

This is the kind of thing you'd find on the Evil Overlord list. Don't get blinded by the shiny.

We have a Gorgon. Its breath weapon is also a Fort save-or-lose effect, but it's not hilariously dangerous.
 
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Duesal said:
For Control Plants if we're really going to plan as if a high level druid is working against us then we might as well just call it quits with the plant creatures entirely.

For Command Plants, same principle. You're expecting a high-level druid, in a world where the Old Gods are primarily the ones who make druids, to go against us here.

Should we even bother with plant creatures at this point? If we're going to be that paranoid then why waste our efforts here? Why make the Darkenbeasts and the Treants if we're convinced they'll just be usurped from our control?

EDIT: I'm sure there are also several niche spells to seize control of intelligent constructs, but I haven't seen a fuss raised about making our planned constructs like the Herald and Bigger Fish too powerful.
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Command Plants isn't actually very high level.

I just wanted to point out that nothing is intrinsically immune to mind control. Undead, Constructs, Plants, etc., they just require specialized spells.

That is just a reality we have to deal with now that magic is becoming so prevalent.

It's one thing if a Leshy gets mind controlled, as they can only cause so much trouble, but another issue entirely if we create something with a memory erasing breath weapon, and then lose it control of it. We have enough useful abilities we can build into our Plant creatures that we can skip out on this one, IMO.
 
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Well, I'm far less excited with the general situation now. Fine. I'm not going to fight for this anymore.

You're not stopping me from getting a trophy out of the damn thing, though.
 
Darkenbeast are immune to mind-influencing independent of the Plant Creature immunities so Control Plants still shouldn't work.
 
Deliste said:
Darkenbeast are immune to mind-influencing independent of the Plant Creature immunities so Control Plants still shouldn't work.
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Arguably, Plant-based Darkenbeasts will have the same weaknesses as Plant creatures. It's an acceptable trade-off, IMO, to not only gain the ability to produce them, but for them to function unimpeded in sunlight.
 
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