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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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IMHO, cases such as this plantation owner should be tried in front of a court of the high justice (in pre modern terms, a court that deicdes in cases where capital punishment may be aplicable).

The worst we could could do is creating a precedent of trying someone ex post facto.
 
DragonParadox said:
I'm surprised no one commented on the less extreme things Tyrtoshi magisters have been doing, like hiring (or setting up) bandits to grusomely kill off any former slaves who dare abandon the plantations.
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That's not too unexpected.

I guess if we deal with the people hiring them and slowly increase our control of the lands banditry, wether sponsored or not, will recede naturally.
I don't think we have enough men quite yet to patrol the entire area, we are just so keeping control in the city, so it will take a while.
 
Seriously, think of any other ritual, if burning a black chicken at a crossroads summons a demon, you would be tried as a demon summoner, not for vandalism and poor culinary abilities.
This sets a precedent, excesive cruelty towards children is a ritual and needs to be judged as such.
 
DragonParadox said:
Where they actually found it sure, but on a systemic level Malarys is going to propose some kind of circuit lawmen with a strong escort going around to deal with the abuses of the local potentates.
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That's already the case. There should be lawmen in all settlements of sufficient size, with the smaller ones regularly patrolled by them.

As for escorts, that's what we got the Legion for.
 
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MTB said:
So - no magical crime for the Magister, as he never intended to summon Evil? Dangerous.
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Indeed, he did not intend to summon Evil, but we need to set the law that anyone else that does so will be tried as such.
And since i dont like this Guy, i dont mind setting the precedent in Stone right now.
Just give a speech about how he knew his cruel and Evil acts would bring Doom etc, compare It to the dothraki and the undead of the plains, blah blah, ... All men know in their hearts thst such actions go beyond evil etc sacrifice the bitch.
 
das_slash said:
Seriously, think of any other ritual, if burning a black chicken at a crossroads summons a demon, you would be tried as a demon summoner, not for vandalism and poor culinary abilities.
This sets a precedent, excesive cruelty towards children is a ritual and needs to be judged as such.
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One thing to keep in mind is that not all or even most excessive cruelty to children summons/creates evil beings. This was a special conjunction of the tree being planted on a magically significant site and decades of wide spread mental and physical torture to slaves of all ages.
 
DragonParadox said:
The food and lodging was used for scale. Most adventurers would rather have more money in their pockets and find their own beds to sleep in.
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Okay. @DragonParadox, how's this for a proposal?

@Azel @Goldfish please feel free to hijack the proposal if needed


[] Try to hire the level 8 NG Sylph Witch with Brew Potions and Craft Wondrous Item
-[] Starting bonus of 5,000 IM, with a yearly salary of 6,000 IM.
-[] Her food and lodging will be automatically provided by the Imperium.
-[] In exchange we want her to swear fealty and lead the charge for a potions industry, and to teach budding witches in the Scholarum.
-[] Viserys should also take care to explain our blood sacrifice policies in a way that a NG outsider would be able to accept.
 
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Exactly, the perpetrator needs to be tried for the fact that he had at least 7 children put to death in cruel and unusual manner. We can only try him for negligent use of rituals if that is actually a crime.

An idea that I just had to make patroling easier on our law-enforcers: Fast sky-ships like small cutters that can carry from two to a squad of law-enforcers.
 
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Azel said:
That's already the case. There should be lawmen in all settlements of sufficient size, with the smaller ones regularly patrolled by them.

As for escorts, that's what we got the Legion for.
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No enough trained lawmen for patrols yet unfortunately and most plantations are too small to count as 'settlements' for your very stretched number of trained lawmen.
 
DragonParadox said:
No enough trained lawmen for patrols yet unfortunately and most plantations are too small to count as 'settlements' for your very stretched number of trained lawmen.
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I thought as much. I just wanted to point out that we need no new laws and structures, just a bit of time to fill out the existing positions.

Until then, they can explain themselves to the Legion NCO and his pack-mule that carries all those ropes.
 
Duesal said:
Okay. @DragonParadox, how's this for a proposal?

@Azel @Goldfish please feel free to hijack the proposal if needed


[] Try to hire the level 8 NG Sylph Witch with Brew Potions and Craft Wondrous Item
-[] Starting bonus of 5,000 IM, with a yearly salary of 6,000 IM.
-[] Her food and lodging will be automatically provided by the Imperium.
-[] In exchange we want her to swear fealty and lead the charge for a potions industry, and to teach budding wishes in the Scholarum.
-[] Viserys should also take care to explain our blood sacrifice policies in a way that a NG outsider would be able to accept.
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I think you misread. This is vastly overpaying her, as DP stated. Adventurers charge high rates because they're living off of what they're paid, and usually expected to fight and possibly die for the cause they're bought for. We can offer her the same wage as Leila, after explaining how far it will actually go, extend the same offer to her as we did Bronn in regards to the commissioning of magical items, and also that we'll cover her living expenses. In exchange, we ask her to craft and teach, nothing more. No dangerous assignments, no deathly peril, just something quiet and simple, that will pay well enough for her to live well in our Plane for a good long while.

We should also hire more than just the Witch. The Oracles I'm really wanting, just for the what they can offer - training and crafting, with the Battles one I suspect being a capable fighter. The TN Hunter could help with our Ranger expansion, and the Rogues are perfect Inquisition material - actually, @DragonParadox what alignment are they?

Gimme a few minutes, got some numbers in mind here.
 
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I can't find the page for that monster. And Google Image search returns a Tiger.


Duesal said:
[] Try to hire the level 8 NG Sylph Witch with Brew Potions and Craft Wondrous Item
-[] Starting bonus of 5,000 IM, with a yearly salary of 6,000 IM.
-[] Her food and lodging will be automatically provided by the Imperium.
-[] In exchange we want her to swear fealty and lead the charge for a potions industry, and to teach budding wishes in the Scholarum.
-[] Viserys should also take care to explain our blood sacrifice policies in a way that a NG outsider would be able to accept.
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The figures here are excessive. By just working as a crafter for us, she would be winning more than her Wealth by Level per year. Without risk. That's far too much.
 
DragonParadox said:
I'm surprised no one commented on the less extreme things Tyrtoshi magisters have been doing, like hiring (or setting up) bandits to grusomely kill off any former slaves who dare abandon the plantations.
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I thought that was this magister as well, if it's a more general thing then that need to be dealt with, but compared to this guys sheer evil it just feel less important.
Snowfire said:
So logic, in this case, applies differently to those we like or need than those we don't.

This is not logic, friend. This is called pathos. Please do not confused them.
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How you did something matter as well as what you did, accidentally summoning a fiend with art involve little if any malice, accidentally summoning a fiend with torture and murder involve a load of malice, maliciously accidentally summoning a fiend, is a different crime from just accidentally summoning a fiend, he might not have expected a fiend to be born from his practices, but he was purposefully inflicting suffering on people, so his crime isn't accidental summoning, it's accidental summoning though pain and suffering, just like losing control and hitting someone with your car while drunk, is a worse crime than losing control and hitting someone with your car while sober, the end result is the same, but the fact that you were drunk driving, get you a higher sentence than if you had been sober.

If your crime summon something forbidden then it's a magic crime, if you summon it though art, though a non-malicious ritual going wrong, or though a failed attempt to summon something permitted, then the crime is accidental summoning, if you summon it though accidentally making a ritual by murdering and torturing, then it's murder torture and accidental summoning, accidental summoning mean you can be sentenced to sacrifice, it don't mean you have to be sentenced to sacrifice, it simply ups the maximum sentence you can receive to that.

So if accidental summoning is your only crime, then sacrifice is the absolute maximum punishment you can get, but most likely you wont get it, because the mitigating circumstances and lack of secondary crimes, mean you are very unlikely to receive the highest sentence the law allows.

But if you have accidental summoning, as well as torture, murder and slavery as your crimes, then you are likely to receive the maximum sentence the law allows, and accidental summoning ups the maximum sentence you can get, it don't do anything to the minimum sentence you can get, but it ups the maximum sentence from hanging to sacrifice.

Accidental summoning is a crime with a very wide divide between maximum and minimum sentences, depending on the circumstances, and whether this is your first time doing it, the punishment can go all the way from a fine, to execution by sacrifice.

Accidental summoning ups the maximum sentence you can get, it don't do anything to the minimum sentence you can get, it's a little like if a country only allow the death sentence for certain crimes, you aren't ensured that you will get the death sentence for one of those crimes, but there's a much bigger chance you will, if you have already been sentenced to 20 consecutive life sentences in prison before you committed the crime, than if you have never committed a crime before.

In the same way, this guy have committed enough crimes, that 1% of them would be enough to get him a death sentence, normally that would just end in overflow because he only has one life, but accidental sacrifice ups the maximum sentence he can receive, and the other 99% of his crime flows into this new gap, boosting him up to the new maximum sentence.
 
Azel said:
@Duesal, cut off a zero from those figures and even that is a tremendously good wage.
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Will do:

[] Try to hire the level 8 NG Sylph Witch with Brew Potions and Craft Wondrous Item
-[] Starting bonus of 500 IM, with a yearly salary of 600 IM.
-[] Her food and lodging will be automatically provided by the Imperium.
-[] In exchange we want her to swear fealty and lead the charge for a potions industry, and to teach budding wishes in the Scholarum.
-[] Viserys should also take care to explain our blood sacrifice policies in a way that a NG outsider would be able to accept.

There you go, free for alteration as you please. It's been a while, I don't remember how poor lower-level adventurers are.
 
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Vicerys the Charisma God is here. Isn't anybody going to write the magpie proposal to get all of them? Don't you trust his negotiating skills? If that offer was too high by a factor of 10, then roughly that same amount or a bit more should get all of those on offer.
 
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