I mean... plan #2 is appropriate, for people who's given level of competence and good sense are far higher. It's giving 2/3rds of these magisters too much credit as it stands, and the remaining third enough faith that they'll manage to avoid taking advantage of the situation in the worst way.

@Azel at least is answering to type. "Stop thinking hard if you're bad at it, or better yet, let the people you usually let do the thinking come up here so we can actually get some shit done."

Which at the end of the day is not only all we need them to do, but what they have to do. It is odd when a situation is less about negotiation and more about what kind of poison we're choosing to imbibe today. One that takes effect three-six months from now, or one that causes indigestion within minutes.
 
Magic items updated. I also consolidated your holdings, since those 4000 Gold in the iron bank are not really relevant, so they count as liquid and got rid of of your debt to Hermetia. The only item not added were the robes since those will be Lya's coronation gift to Viserys.
 
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we are going put them on trial to see if there are any that deserve death for past crimes sometime in the future right
it at least get rid of some of there fat waste of space and shut up the rest

also
[X] Maintain your stance, magisters offer a small payment for every slave that leaves their service (vassal cities very likely to change allegiance)
those that leave, well the dothraki need to have some fun two
 
Good plan not too harsh but also very stern and to put a bit of the fear of a dragon in them. By the way is our dragon intimidating aura on?
 
@DragonParadox, consensus.
Adhoc vote count started by Azel on May 10, 2018 at 7:14 AM, finished with 188058 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X] Plan Wordy Goldfish
    -[X] "Magic's return is still so recent that your ignorance is understandable in this instance. Do you believe my conquest of this place, one of the so-called "Great Free Cities", in less than a day's time was a happy accident?" Pause and take several long moments to look over the assembled Magisters, making eye contact with those who are willing. "No, gentlemen, it was no accident. Through my sorcery, all things are possible. I can cross the world in an instant, raise a house from nothing in moments, or curse a man into the shape of a simple tortoise, and these are but examples of the powers available to me. Did the walls of Tyrosh prevent the coming of my army? Of course not, for what good are walls when sorcery allows one to transport thousands of men into the undefended heart of a city with no more difficulty than he would experience sipping a goblet of wine."
    --[X] "Envoys will be dispatched to the outland cities. Those which choose to side with Myr or Lys will be handled with no more difficulty than Tyrosh. Despite their great skill, my armies could use the experience."
    -[X] "You concern over food for the city is not without cause, but again, your ignorance of magic shows true. Even now, those among my Companions whose magic lends itself to growing things, rather than destruction and conquest, are undertaking the first steps of a plan to see Tyrosh fed as well as ever. My trade fleets bring grain and other staples to tide the city over during the transitions, and my friends and allies send their own supplies, all with the aim of preventing starvation and food riots. Rest assured, gentlemen, I do very little on a whim, without careful thought and detailed planning."
    --[X] "The conquest of a city is no small matter, though hardly a special or unique occurrence in the long and troubled history of Essos. Seeing this city thrive, however, as I aim to do in Tyrosh, that's a rather rare event, and something to be proud of. Would you rather be a part of that, to help your city rise above the petty squabbles and trite power games of your neighbors? This is an opportunity, not a cause for alarm and rebellion.
    -[X] Take another long pause to survey the hall, reading the reactions of the gathered Magisters, to try to see who will go along with your plans and who may obstacles of themselves. "Will you aid me now, Magisters of Tyrosh? I know this is no small request, for your lives up to this point have shaped your perceptions of what is right and proper. Yes, I will free the slaves of this city and those cities allied to Tyrosh. And yes, you will be paying for the privilege."
    --[X] "You are wealthy men, however, and I do not ask you to beggar yourselves so that your former slaves will live in palaces. Tyrosh must still function as a city, and for that, the former slaves will be needed. They will, for the most part, continue in the careers they have been trained for. Silver and gold will be earned, and silver and gold will be spent. Trust that I have planned Tyrosh's transition from a city of slavery to a true Free City. Stay the course, do not give me cause to make an example of you, and you will look back on this day as the catalyst from which your fortunes were truly made."
    [x] Maintain your stance, magisters offer a small payment for every slave that leaves their service (vassal cities very likely to change allegiance)
    [x] Maintain your stance, magisters offer a small payment for every slave that leaves their service (vassal cities very likely to change allegiance)
    -[X] To ease his obviously deep concerns over this issue, Fatmouth Magister will be granted a true accounting of the costs, profits, foregone wages for freemen of their position, training and experience etc.
    --[X] Fatmouth Magister's Audit will be made available and inter-House trade will ensure they can corroborate numerous data points in our report with their own records.
 
Magic items updated. I also consolidated your holdings, since those 4000 Gold in the iron bank are not really relevant, so they count as liquid and got rid of of your debt to Hermetia. The only item not added were the robes since those will be Lya's coronation gift to Viserys.
I thought we couldn't get rid of that debt, seeing as buying it out would be buying her stake in our trading company out, which would be doing her a disservice.
 
We still need a tally on the loot we got against the cultists.

1. Daemon Trophies
2. Usable Magic Items from the Cultist Mages
3. Items slated for sacrifice, like that Archon-bone dagger which we have yet to see, and all those Leukodaemon bows
4. Whatever wealth the cultists might have had
5. Whatever profane knowledge the cultists accumulated
I've never asked but why is this quest called a sword without a hilt? We have many swords with many hilts.
It's an ASOIAF thing. Magic is referred to as a "sword without a hilt" since it's so dangerous it often cuts its wielder.
 
I feel a bit stupid not realizing the sword without a hilt is magic. I guess all the classes dp offered at the beginning involve some form of magic.
 
I feel a bit stupid not realizing the sword without a hilt is magic. I guess all the classes dp offered at the beginning involve some form of magic.
Yes.

Viserys the Dragonblooded Sorcerer
Myrcella the Warlock (which we should be worried about later)
Arya the Druid (who we're steadily working towards acquiring)
Gendry the Favored Soul (we have no clue where he is)
 
It's getting even consensusier, @DragonParadox.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on May 10, 2018 at 7:45 AM, finished with 188069 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] Plan Wordy Goldfish
    -[X] "Magic's return is still so recent that your ignorance is understandable in this instance. Do you believe my conquest of this place, one of the so-called "Great Free Cities", in less than a day's time was a happy accident?" Pause and take several long moments to look over the assembled Magisters, making eye contact with those who are willing. "No, gentlemen, it was no accident. Through my sorcery, all things are possible. I can cross the world in an instant, raise a house from nothing in moments, or curse a man into the shape of a simple tortoise, and these are but examples of the powers available to me. Did the walls of Tyrosh prevent the coming of my army? Of course not, for what good are walls when sorcery allows one to transport thousands of men into the undefended heart of a city with no more difficulty than he would experience sipping a goblet of wine."
    --[X] "Envoys will be dispatched to the outland cities. Those which choose to side with Myr or Lys will be handled with no more difficulty than Tyrosh. Despite their great skill, my armies could use the experience."
    -[X] "You concern over food for the city is not without cause, but again, your ignorance of magic shows true. Even now, those among my Companions whose magic lends itself to growing things, rather than destruction and conquest, are undertaking the first steps of a plan to see Tyrosh fed as well as ever. My trade fleets bring grain and other staples to tide the city over during the transitions, and my friends and allies send their own supplies, all with the aim of preventing starvation and food riots. Rest assured, gentlemen, I do very little on a whim, without careful thought and detailed planning."
    --[X] "The conquest of a city is no small matter, though hardly a special or unique occurrence in the long and troubled history of Essos. Seeing this city thrive, however, as I aim to do in Tyrosh, that's a rather rare event, and something to be proud of. Would you rather be a part of that, to help your city rise above the petty squabbles and trite power games of your neighbors? This is an opportunity, not a cause for alarm and rebellion.
    -[X] Take another long pause to survey the hall, reading the reactions of the gathered Magisters, to try to see who will go along with your plans and who may make obstacles of themselves. "Will you aid me now, Magisters of Tyrosh? I know this is no small request, for your lives up to this point have shaped your perceptions of what is right and proper. Yes, I will free the slaves of this city and those cities allied to Tyrosh. And yes, you will be paying for the privilege."
    --[X] "You are wealthy men, however, and I do not ask you to beggar yourselves so that your former slaves will live in palaces. Tyrosh must still function as a city, and for that, the former slaves will be needed. They will, for the most part, continue in the careers they have been trained for. Silver and gold will be earned, and silver and gold will be spent. Trust that I have planned Tyrosh's transition from a city of slavery to a true Free City. Stay the course, do not give me cause to make an example of you, and you will look back on this day as the catalyst from which your fortunes were truly made rather than broken."
    [x] Maintain your stance, magisters offer a small payment for every slave that leaves their service (vassal cities very likely to change allegiance)
    [x] Maintain your stance, magisters offer a small payment for every slave that leaves their service (vassal cities very likely to change allegiance)
    -[X] To ease his obviously deep concerns over this issue, Fatmouth Magister will be granted a true accounting of the costs, profits, foregone wages for freemen of their position, training and experience etc.
    --[X] Fatmouth Magister's Audit will be made available and inter-House trade will ensure they can corroborate numerous data points in our report with their own records.
 
[X] Plan Wordy Goldfish

We didn't get very far into our previous plan before the "mouthy magister interupt", was really looking forward to the daemon corpse being used as a conversational tool.

On the whole I feel they are insufficiently terrified, and without any good reason not to be.

Didn't get to melt the gilding off the walls either. Arrgh.
 
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We still need a tally on the loot we got against the cultists.

1. Daemon Trophies
2. Usable Magic Items from the Cultist Mages
3. Items slated for sacrifice, like that Archon-bone dagger which we have yet to see, and all those Leukodaemon bows
4. Whatever wealth the cultists might have had
5. Whatever profane knowledge the cultists accumulated

It's an ASOIAF thing. Magic is referred to as a "sword without a hilt" since it's so dangerous it often cuts its wielder.

The bows mostly belong to Amrelath. You would have to trade him something
 
These guys are literal slaveowners getting angry that they are being given a token punishment. This is not the time for sweet words, logic or anything remotely conciliatory. The stance they are objecting to is already too lenient. As far as I am concerned, everything they own is by rights the property of their former slaves, and they should be lucky the guillotine hasn't been invented yet, and that literacy is rare enough that we still have a use for them for the moment.

A bit of a protest vote, but what the hell.

[X] Plan Radical-ist Reconstruction
-[X] "You misunderstand. The policies I just put forward where already a compromise between justice and the necessity of maintaining a functioning society. Make no mistake here: everything you have gained from the men you claimed to own is by rights theirs and theirs alone. Your grand houses, fancy clothes and shining jewelry, your estates and all manner of business interests, and all the fine things that you and your fathers and theirs before them have built on the backs of slaves are not yours by right."
--[X] "I had been willing to set that aside for the moment because of the harm a complete breakdown of the social order would surely cause. After all, your slaves can not eat your fine silks. Peace, food and shelter for all must be the order of the day, and if undoing the full measure of wrong you have done must wait somewhat, then that is one of the unfortunate hard decisions that come with rulership."
--[X] "I had thought it would be worth keeping all of you around for the moment and in some semblance of your station because of the extent to which you have kept others ignorant of the skills and knowledge needed to replace you. Between people already in my employ and your most highly placed and clever underlings, I am sure I could make due, but it would be a bit more difficult and I have need for many of those resources elsewhere."
-[X] "You seem to be dead-set on convincing me I was too lenient, and that if I give you any power at all, you will foolishly and self-destructively try to use it to stand against me, and the changes I plan to make. I would still rather have the help of any among you with the sense to know when you are beaten and the adaptability to live in a different kind of society, but it occurs to me you could serve just as well and with less trouble as clerks and bureaucrats rather than masters and owners."
-[X] "In the days to come, I will make a full accounting of what is owned by those who owned slaves, and who it rightfully belongs to."
--[X] "I am not entirely heartless. At minimum, you will all be left with enough to re-establish yourselves and live humbly but comfortably enough, provided you are willing to work for a living. For those without any other honest skills, I am sure I will have many uses for those who know their letters and numbers."
--[X] "Anything you have come by honestly will of course be left to you, provided your assets cover your other debts and obligations."
-[X] "To ensure compliance, and that as little ill-gotten wealth as possible goes missing, each of you and all of your fellow perfumed brigands who are too terrified to leave their lairs will be put into house arrest until this is properly sorted out. I will not take kindly to resistance, subterfuge or attempts at escape."
-[X] "I don't really need you, I don't care what you think of me, you are entirely in the wrong morally and you have no real power beyond the wealth that will soon be returned to those who earned it. Swear your vengeance, yell until you are blue in the face, or break down crying. I care not. Your day is through. Be glad I allow you to linger. I am prepared to withdraw that kindness if need be."
-[X] "As for the minor cities, I assure you I have no particular need for them to join me willingly. Or do you think they will resist more effectively than Tyrosh did?"
 
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The bows mostly belong to Amrelath. You would have to trade him something
Mostly, sure, but at the same time Amrelath wasn't the only one fighting the Leukodaemons. The Archons and Dany and Lya did their fair share.

Unless Amrelath took those bows as well, which would be breaking the agreement since he's only supposed to keep what he kills.
 
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