And then we also did the same to the flesh-smiths from Gogossos with no Azura involved nor any lore lost.
It is debatable if Urak's stable, but knowledge is all there, and the precedent's there too to making Outsiders with 'full' knowledge of the original by sacrificing more stuff on top.

I will not keep pushing for this if you're against it, but I'm still rather interested in getting rid of these high-CR Fey asap, just to be safe.
The difference with Urak being that the souls were willing. Dusk Dancer and Whatshisface are not. So we need a soul to absorb their knowledge into.

And given why we want them gone, namely that they are unduly powerful and a consummate plotter respectively, I'm not sure where you want to scrounge up a soul we deem trustworthy to receive those abilities.


What I want to do is to suckle the Mythic power out of Dusk Dancer and then leave both of them on the shelf until it's time to jumpstart our deity.
 
I'm not sure where you want to scrounge up a soul we deem trustworthy to receive those abilities.
...I'm half-inclined to feed them to Tor.
Funneling ridiculously oversized energy fields into sneks is a tradition of ours :V

More seriously, he's arguably trustworthy enough for at least one of them... whatshisface maybe.

But whatever, I'm just paranoid about shit escapung/succeeding in suicide while in our care.
Since the chance is somewhat low, I'm not too inclined to push on with getting rid of them.

The difference with Urak being that the souls were willing.
Also, were they? 0_o
I recon'd we just threw together a bunch of unsalvageable Chaotic Stupid flesh-smiths we captured and it Gak'd into a Snek.
 
@Azel
Could you explain the Wyrmskull idea a bit?

As far as I can see the skulls draw on the memory of the original dragon they came from to fullfill their function.
But that would mean we let a bit of Tiamat's mind into our researchers, which seems like a bad idea.
And if we completly remove all traces of Tiamat, I don't see why the Wyrmskulls should have any knowledge except what we give them in their creation, making them effectivly no better than a Herald (and in a weaker body at that).

So what's the plan to find the sweet spot between security and usefulness?
 
@Azel
Could you explain the Wyrmskull idea a bit?

As far as I can see the skulls draw on the memory of the original dragon they came from to fullfill their function.
But that would mean we let a bit of Tiamat's mind into our researchers, which seems like a bad idea.
And if we completly remove all traces of Tiamat, I don't see why the Wyrmskulls should have any knowledge except what we give them in their creation, making them effectivly no better than a Herald (and in a weaker body at that).

So what's the plan to find the sweet spot between security and usefulness?
The idea is to have them tap in to the Dragon Dream as a whole instead of into Tiamats knowledge in particular.
 
[X] Crake

At this point we are gonna have to make a museum to all the things Viserys has killed/captured that the public can enjoy. :p
 
I'm not too stoked on the idea of making the Vilderavn into some sort of Undead. Fey and Undead don't seem to mix very well, IMO.

Lawbound Vilderavn would be very useful if we could get Yss to reformat them. The template really complements them well, and it would be especially effective against Fey. I wouldn't mind if one of their alternate forms got snakified by Yss as part of the conversion.

Or if ya'll prefer the Old Gods instead, how about trying to get the Vilderavn converted with the Green Warden or Woodling template?
 
I'm not too stoked on the idea of making the Vilderavn into some sort of Undead. Fey and Undead don't seem to mix very well, IMO.

Lawbound Vilderavn would be very useful if we could get Yss to reformat them. The template really complements them well, and it would be especially effective against Fey. I wouldn't mind if one of their alternate forms got snakified by Yss as part of the conversion.

Or if ya'll prefer the Old Gods instead, how about trying to get the Vilderavn converted with the Green Warden or Woodling template?
We're pointedly not suggesting to use the Vilderavns' souls for this, instead taking from the green dream as needed. You are correct to assume they'd be terrible vassals.
 
We're pointedly not suggesting to use the Vilderavns' souls for this, instead taking from the green dream as needed. You are correct to assume they'd be terrible vassals.
I would be surprised if we can find sane spirits from the Greendream willing to animate Undead Fey. The Molds are borderline cases, and extremely odd, yet they're still technically alive.

I'm not looking forward to seeing what kind of aberrant behavior such spirits would display.
 
I would be surprised if we can find sane spirits from the Greendream willing to animate Undead Fey. The Molds are borderline cases, and extremely odd, yet they're still technically alive.

I'm not looking forward to seeing what kind of aberrant behavior such spirits would display.
We've recently completed the undead stabilization research, so I'm not overly worried on this front.
 
We've recently completed the undead stabilization research, so I'm not overly worried on this front.
i beleive it's less about Undead in general but about making Undead Fey. undeath and Fey don't really mix and even if they do you need some weird ass spirits to be willing to animate them
 
i beleive it's less about Undead in general but about making Undead Fey. undeath and Fey don't really mix and even if they do you need some weird ass spirits to be willing to animate them
These wouldn't actually be fey in the usual sense of the word. They'd just have fey bodies and abilities. So the insane mindset we'd normally see isn't something I'm worried about.

Most I'm expecting is for them to be odd. Qyburn could probably give us a good idea of what to expect here.

EDIT: On the note of actually making Fey, we need to get around to officially taking charge of the Fey Forge in the Lyseni reflection of the Feywild.
 
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At some point the Red Dragon has to be dealt with. We can pay Yss and have his Avatar on stand by and let the damn thing be consumed. Afterwards we can ask for him to give a boon. Or just hold the power for a injection into the divine imperial god thing.
 
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  • [X] The twisted dragon caught in a web, tangled by the cawing ravens conspiring to poison and twist its work even further.
    -[X] "Either a thinly veiled metaphor for Aegon's work or House Targaryen in general, the Conspiracy of the Citadel, a reflection of the same in recent times with my own rise, or..." trail off, seeing the uselessness of the question.
    -[X] Yes, there's more to what the Citadel had planned than all of that, it couldn't have all been madness and ruin, just as Aegon's ambition wasn't likely all self-aggrandizing ego. Your ambition certainly isn't purely fueled off your own ego, either. Yes, you use the raven's likeness as well in your Inquisition, which could lead to tangled conspiracy that might some day poison your own work, but only if you are ever truly blind and degenerate enough to let it. They did get one thing wrong about all of this, however.
    -[X] "What an unflattering image, in either case. I take it this is a lesson that the Golden Court wanted to impart before revealing itself?" You are not a Jabberwock.
    -[X] "Perhaps you should keep watching, you might be surprised what the future holds. It never seems to go the way you expect it to, now does it?" You are a Dragon.
    -[X] You are not just some spoke in an eternally spinning wheel. Your story isn't your story alone, and it isn't some bookend to a pithy fairy tale. Simile and metaphor has its place, but that place is not here. You are trying to build something for the world, not just for yourself.
    -[X] Something all of you, Companion, citizen, soldier and scholar, can look upon with pride and be content in the work you have wrought, and not endlessly equivocate it with the failures and sins of the past.
    -[X] That is different than what the Fey had planned.
    -[X] No amount of pontificating on who was right or wrong will change the fact that the two are as night is to day.
    -[X] Whatever mistakes or victories all of you have wrought will be your own, and you won't let some smug seer forget it.
 
Part MMMDCLXXXII: Wiseman's Folly
Wiseman's Folly

Nineteenth Day of the Fourth Month 294 AC

"Either a thinly veiled metaphor for Aegon's work or House Targaryen in general, the Conspiracy of the Citadel, a reflection of the same in recent times with my own rise, or..." you trail off, seeing the uselessness of the question. Yes, there's more to what the Citadel had planned than all of that, it couldn't have all been madness and ruin, just as Aegon's ambition wasn't likely all self-aggrandizing ego. Your ambition certainly isn't purely fueled off your own ego, either. Yes, you use the raven's likeness as well in your Inquisition, which could lead to tangled conspiracy that might some day poison your own work, but only if you are ever truly blind and degenerate enough to let it. They did get one thing wrong about all of this, however. "What an unflattering image, in either case. I take it this is a lesson that the Golden Court wanted to impart before revealing itself?"

The diminutive fey looks you up and down, a slow appreciative smile growing on her lips. It seems genuine for whatever that is worth. "Close enough, Dragon King. I never promised Archmaester Perestan that I would hide my own nature, only the secret that you have now unraveled." The blue of her eyes grows deeper to a familiar azure radiance and the silk of her garb flickers to a like color. "There was a mortal saying once that I was most fond of, 'clothes do not make the man', well now they do not make the fey either unless we so choose."

"Indeed, the tales to come may be just as surprising," you incline your head, slightly less suspicious knowing her true allegiance. "Perhaps you should keep watching, you might be surprised what the future holds. It never seems to go the way you expect it to, now does it?

"No... that would make for a weary passage down the long ages," the fey lady replies. "This was a mirror of what you called the Conspiracy of the Citadel, the death of dragons, the death of magic, though the wise men behind their masks of metal thought my Lady could not see the whole of it. What other tale could resound through this realm in an age of waning magic, but that great and terrible ambition?"

"They tried to use it, didn't they?" Vee asks from behind you. "Reach in and make a pact with the monster they made?"

The azure fey nods gravely, though her eyes still spark with mirth as well as power you would judge. "I tried to warn him. Reach into a mirror for aid and all you shall grasp is a fistful of glass. Alas, poor Perestan, he was cut to the quick."

"You don't sound that cut up 'bout it yourself," Maelor notes with just a touch of disapproval. It's not that he cares about the archmaester, but he has no love of those who break trust with allies for their own gain.

"We kept faith with the Citadel as they did with us," comes the reply as the fey lands on the shoulder of one of the raven-men and caresses its stony cheek. "One should not expect to get more than one offers..."

"What did they offer you and yours, my lady?" you press, intrigued almost in spite of yourself.

"Why the only thing of value they still possess. Answers, knowledge. I cannot reveal the full scope of it without my lady's will, you understand."

Of course it would not be that easy, you sigh inwardly. All the more reason for you to make a deal with the Azure Court you suppose, but then that is a pendulum that swings both ways. They will have all the more reason to deal with you once you hold the full collection of the Citadel to bargain with. "But you can tell me this in so many words? Archmaester Perestan met his end in this chamber, yes or no?"

"Such suspicion," she tsks and gives a tinkling laugh "Yes, he was slain and devoured by the Jabberwock after it broke his mind. Were it some other beast I would counsel you to look through its stomach for his mask, ring and rod and other precious things, but given its nature I do not imagine you shall extract anything useful from that yawning pit. Fare thee well, Dragon King."

This time when she reaches for the threads of time you are ready, but you do not stop her, distracted by another feeling, familiar yet strange. A song at the edge of hearing, a tale in the realm of tales grown. The irony of the Citadel's conspiracy offering you the gift of the mad dragon's defeat does not escape you.

Mythic Rank Gained

  1. Viserys: 2150
  2. Vee: 3800
  3. Maelor: 5570
  4. Amrelath: Progress to next level up
  5. Zherys: Progress to next level up
  6. Mereth: Progress to next level up

What next?

[] Write in Mythic Rank Plan

OOC: You guys did beat a CR 23 dragon and four CR 16 fey with one spell, that in addition to your part of the Fall of the Court of Stars pushed you over the edge.
 
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Wiseman's Folly

Nineteenth Day of the Fourth Month 294 AC

"Either a thinly veiled metaphor for Aegon's work or House Targaryen in general, the Conspiracy of the Citadel, a reflection of the same in recent times with my own rise, or..." you trail off, seeing the uselessness of the question. Yes, there's more to what the Citadel had planned than all of that. It couldn't have all been madness and ruin, just as Aegon's ambition wasn't likely all self-aggrandizing ego. Your ambition certainly isn't purely fueled by your own ego, either. Yes, you use the raven's likeness as well in your Inquisition, which could lead to a tangled conspiracy that might some day poison your own work, but only if you are ever truly blind and degenerate enough to let it. They did get one thing wrong about all of this, however. "What an unflattering image, in either case. I take it this is a lesson that the Golden Court wanted to impart before revealing itself?"

The diminutive fey looks you up and down, a slow appreciative smile growing on her lips. It seems genuine, for whatever that is worth. "Close enough, Dragon King. I never promised Archmaester Perestan that I would hide my own nature, only the secret that you have now unraveled." The blue of her eyes grows deeper, to a familiar azure radiance, and the silk of her garb flickers to a like color. "There was a mortal saying once that I was most fond of; clothes do not make the man. Well, know they do not make the fey either, unless we so choose."

"Indeed, the tales to come may be just as surprising," you incline your head, slightly less suspicious now that you know her true allegiance. "Perhaps you should keep watching? You might be surprised what the future holds. It never seems to go the way you expect it to, now does it?

"No... that would make for a wearying passage down the long ages," the fey lady replies. "This was a mirror of what you called the Conspiracy of the Citadel, the death of dragons, the death of magic, though the wise men behind their masks of metal thought my Lady could not see the whole of it. What other tale could resound through this realm in an age of waning magic, but that great and terrible ambition."

"They tried to use it, didn't they?" Vee asks from behind you. "Reach in and make a pact with the monster they made?"

The azure fey nods gravely, though her eyes still spark with mirth as well as power you would judge. "I tried to warn him. Reach into a mirror for aid and all you shall grasp is a fistful of glass. Alas, poor Perestan, he was cut to the quick."

"You don't sound that cut up 'bout it yourself," Maelor notes with just a touch of disapproval. It's not that he cares about the archmaester, but he has no love of those who break trust with allies for their own gain.

"We kept faith with the Citadel as they did with us," comes the reply as the fey lands on the shoulder of one of the raven-men and caresses its stony cheek. "One should not expect to get more than one offers..."

"What did they offer you and you, my lady?" you press, intrigued almost in spite of yourself.

"Why the only thing of value they still possess, answers, knowledge. I cannot reveal the full scope of it without my lady's will, you understand."

Of course it would not be that easy, you sigh inwardly. All the more reason for you to make a deal with the Azure Court, you suppose, but then that is a pendulum that swings both ways. They will have all the more reason to deal with you once you hold the full collection of the Citadel to bargain with. "But can you tell me this in so many words, Archmaester Perestan met his end in this chamber, yes or no?"

"Such suspicion," she tsks and gives a tinkling laugh "Yes, he was slain and devoured by the jabberwock after it broke his mind. Were it some other beast I would counsel you to look through its stomach for his mask and rod and other precious things, but given its nature I do not imagine you shall extract anything useful from that yawning pit. Fare thee well, Dragon King."

This time when she reaches for the threads of time you are ready, but you do not stop her, distracted by another feeling, familiar yet strange. Song at the edge of hearing, a tale in the realm of tales grown. The irony of the Citadel's conspiracy offering you the gift of the mad dragon's defeat does not escape you.

Mythic Rank Gained

What next?

[] Write in Mythic Rank Plan

OOC: You guys did beat a CR 23 dragon and four CR 16 fey with one spell, that in addition to your part of the Fall of the Court of Stars pushed you over the edge. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
 
We are in our fourth Mythic Rank, and yet the effects of our third have yet to be felt. When are we going to see Clerics of Viserys appear?
When we have a pretext for them.

Clerics of the Imperium (as they would be known as) is one thing, and while it has its own share of problems, one we can deal with through the backing of the various faiths who's deities are benefiting from it.

Clerics of Viserys (who they would technically be) is... an issue. Makes it look like we're trying to become a God.

Of course, that's ridiculous.

We're becoming so much more.
 
@DragonParadox, would a Miracle restore the Archmaester's body/items?
Iirc, it can do so even with Rhaegar's, and his been burned to ash and spread over sea long, long ago.
 
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