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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Goldfish said:
They should all have Teleport Charms for that sort of assignment. We can also lend them some of the 1/Day Evacuation Rune Charms we have in the Armory. We also have some slotless Rings of Counterspelling we can lend them that can be programmed to automatically Counterspell a Dimensional Anchor spell.
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Visersys: "Lastly, I was thinking about a pair of body doubles which--"

Theon: "What are you expecting to happen, a Deep One attack?"

Viserys: "No..."

Asha: "You're not dismissing the possibility."

Viserys: "Well I literally can't, the probability is likely not reliable to divine partly because of our inability to define a causal effect behind their motives at any one time, only the acts in current effect."

Asha: "Then what are you emptying out your treasuries for the--no offense to ourselves--vassals of least consequence?"

Viserys: "I appreciate you more than some of my vassals of apparent and 'tremendous' consequence."

Asha: "Well, not the kind of consequences I was talking about."

Viserys: "Well, basically, your Uncle might come interrupt the Kingsmoot, and then murder you. Or murder you and then interrupt it. Or interrupt it while murdering you. Honestly, it all sounds equally plausible."

Asha: "Uncle...? They're all dead--"

Theon: "Oh fuck. Uncle Euron."

Asha: "He's not dead?"

Viserys: "...did I never mention how he became a psychotic archmage?"

Asha: "WHY DIDN'T YOU LEAD WITH THAT?!"

Viserys: "Well--"

Theon: "Should have lead with that."

Viserys: "It slipped my mind!"
 
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Crake said:
If that guy has more Mythic Ranks than us, let alone Divine Ranks, I will cough blood.
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I'm kind of banking on him having more mythic ranks than us, honestly. He's a pure CE murderhobo and he's been doing nothing but reaving everywhere he goes.

At the very least I'm expecting him to match our Mythic Ranks.
 
I have to admit I want visery to talk to ned because is one scenario all is power means nothing about.

I mean I dont want to be mean but I have beint tune out from westeros because the power creep is so on side that even the death of robert or littlefinger seen more a forgone conclution, Im just wating for somone to give us a challange, even the fey did most annoyed and piss off abotu the tyrell than everything else.
 
Crake said:
Yep. Basically, everyone, even Viserys and the Companions, are just stepping stones to his inevitable control of everything his single eye can see.

It's not about power to Euron, or even control.

It's about taking both from other people, and finding new ways to maximize cruelty as an art. He's a solipsistic nightmare who doesn't recognize the personal experiences of others or outside perspectives.
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This is an excellent summation of my idea about how Euron operates. It's the acquisition, the challenge, as much as anything. To acquire as much as he possibly can. So, my question, which I hate to ask, is...why the Kingsmoot? Why the Iron Islands?

Why the Iron Islands...when he could go after our Empire?

I greatly suspect that Euron will be the fly in the ointment during the upcoming Westerosi invasion. To show up, unexpected, and strike at us while our attention is split in half-a-hundred directions? To decapitate the Empire, and claim it as his own? I mean...that's what Viserys would do, yes? Seems audacious and psychotic enough for Euron to try and pull, since it seems like he's being set up at the anti-us. Now, could he keep it once taken? Dunno, I'm not even sure he'd want to. But for him, the taking would be enough, I think.

All of this is based purely on my own belief that there's going to be something nasty waiting for us come invasion-time. Nothing else really comes to mind...but, man. There's gotta be something. And Euron sweeping in to try and take us out, maybe trying to set himself up as the "savior" of Westeros...something along those lines seems like a stronger narrative fit than, dunno, a coincidental Deep One invasion or whatever.

You guys know what I hope? I hope that my head is firmly jammed up my own ass on this one. I'd love to read about a Westerosi invasion full of fire and fury and victory long-awaited. Because Euron worries me, somehow.
 
MickOfTime said:
This is an excellent summation of my idea about how Euron operates. It's the acquisition, the challenge, as much as anything. To acquire as much as he possibly can. So, my question, which I hate to ask, is...why the Kingsmoot? Why the Iron Islands?

Why the Iron Islands...when he could go after our Empire?

I greatly suspect that Euron will be the fly in the ointment during the upcoming Westerosi invasion. To show up, unexpected, and strike at us while our attention is split in half-a-hundred directions? To decapitate the Empire, and claim it as his own? I mean...that's what Viserys would do, yes? Seems audacious and psychotic enough for Euron to try and pull, since it seems like he's being set up at the anti-us. Now, could he keep it once taken? Dunno, I'm not even sure he'd want to. But for him, the taking would be enough, I think.

All of this is based purely on my own belief that there's going to be something nasty waiting for us come invasion-time. Nothing else really comes to mind...but, man. There's gotta be something. And Euron sweeping in to try and take us out, maybe trying to set himself up as the "savior" of Westeros...something along those lines seems like a stronger narrative fit than, dunno, a coincidental Deep One invasion or whatever.

You guys know what I hope? I hope that my head is firmly jammed up my own ass on this one. I'd love to read about a Westerosi invasion full of fire and fury and victory long-awaited. Because Euron worries me, somehow.
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Maybe from a certain perspective of IC action that works, but as a story it's not too great. No matter what he was like in canon he's been on screen once here, and hasn't interacted with the plot at all.

If he was an active antagonist at some point it'd be different, but now he's basically some random asshole with power, and not an invested party, He has more of a connection to Westeros than a random power equivalent outsider would, but in pretty much every other way there wouldn't be much to differentiate him from one.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Maybe from a certain perspective of IC action that works, but as a story it's not too great. No matter what he was like in canon he's been on screen once here, and hasn't interacted with the plot at all.

If he was an active antagonist at some point it'd be different, but now he's basically some random asshole with power, and not an invested party, He has more of a connection to Westeros than a random power equivalent outsider would, but in pretty much every other way there wouldn't be much to differentiate him from one.
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Is he just some random asshole, though? Take a look at the various "oh, shit" reactions from the thread when his possible appearance at the Kingsmoot was brought up. Very true, he's had absolutely no on-screen time that I can recall...yet he's still definitely a presence.
 
I'm rather sanguine about it. We have eliminated, or are in the process of eliminating, one of the few actual threats in Westeros who could resist our invasion. With the Fey subdued, and Winter unable to act in full in the middle of Summer, and the Deep Ones apparently having graver concerns than what the surface worlders are doing... what else is there to worry about that we aren't already aware of, which we know has designs elsewhere?

If you think about it, letting Viserys conquer Westeros is advantageous in a few ways, the place is a medieval hellhole and far less developed than even Essos was, everyone feels at least somewhat entitled to something there--the peasants feel entitled to their superstitions, the Faith feels entitled to their influence on the social mores of the day, and seems to be straining to consolidate more power in its own hands, something that the loss of the Chosen shouldn't have really halted, just stymied. The nobles to their traditions.

The place could potentially be an Albatross around our necks if we're not careful, and it will at the very least be a considerable strain on our resources, both time, money, military forces and attention, for questionable short and medium term gains.

Moreover any crisis exacerbated there that we are forced to deal with that required actual PC attention to deal with is a PC who isn't murdering the absolute shit out of stuff elsewhere.

Does it seem optimistic to hope that our enemies have decided we are to be a fixture for at least the next several years? Perhaps, but operating under the assumption that we're about to face catastrophic damage the very next turn honestly doesn't change anything or present us any appreciable options, besides "do nothing and turtle up".

Realistically, if we're going to come under attack, we're already entering the late-game phase by this point. It's basically speed chess, if people escalate, a victor is decided extremely quickly. There's inherent risk to making a gamble, hence why we have rarely been presented with "perfect opportunities to take a risk" lately. After Mammon, we apparently have a bit of a reputation for giving people enough rope to hang themselves with, and then proceeding to carry the lion's share of advantage out of every misstep they make and growing even stronger.
 
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Crake said:
I'm rather sanguine about it. We have eliminated, or are in the process of eliminating, one of the few actual threats in Westeros who could resist our invasion. With the Fey subdued, and Winter unable to act in full in the middle of Summer, and the Deep Ones apparently having graver concerns than what the surface worlders are doing... what else is there to worry about that we aren't already aware of, which we know has designs elsewhere?

If you think about it, letting Viserys conquer Westeros is advantageous in a few ways, the place is a medieval hellhole and far less developed than even Essos was, everyone feels at least somewhat entitled to something there--the peasants feel entitled to their superstitions, the Faith feels entitled to their influence on the social mores of the day, and seems to be straining to consolidate more power in its own hands, something that the loss of the Chosen shouldn't have really halted, just stymied. The nobles to their traditions.

The place could potentially be an Albatross around our necks if we're not careful, and it will at the very least be a considerable strain on our resources, both time, money, military forces and attention, for questionable short and medium term gains.

Moreover any crisis exacerbated there that we are forced to deal with that required actual PC attention to deal with is a PC who isn't murdering the absolute shit out of stuff elsewhere.

Does it seem optimistic to hope that our enemies have decided we are to be a fixture for at least the next several years? Perhaps, but operating under the assumption that we're about to face catastrophic damage the very next turn honestly doesn't change anything or present us any appreciable options, besides "do nothing and turtle up".

Realistically, if we're going to come under attack, we're already entering the late-game phase by this point. It's basically speed chess, if people escalate, a victor is decided extremely quickly. There's inherent risk to making a gamble, hence why we have rarely been presented with "perfect opportunities to take a risk" lately. After Mammon, we apparently have a bit of a reputation for giving people enough rope to hang themselves with, and then proceeding to carry the lion's share of advantage out of every misstep they make and growing even stronger.
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Oh, don't get me wrong...I'm still all for forging ahead. You can't find out what happens unless you turn the page, and turtling is narrative death, anyway. Euron just seems like a nasty customer to me, is all.

You know, I never USED to be this paranoid. Then I started reading this damned quest...
 
If you think about it, most enemy action has basically just been indirect attacks on stuff we consider in our sphere of influence/property, or utterly reactive to our own attacks.

So I'm betting on at least one attack on our person by an enemy's own initiative next month. And I welcome it. Murder in self defense throughout the quest carries the hallmark tradition of mocking them viciously both IC and OOC when they, as in the Wire, "take a shot at the King, and miss".
 
Crake said:
If you think about it, most enemy action has basically just been indirect attacks on stuff we consider in our sphere of influence/property, or utterly reactive to our own attacks.

So I'm betting on at least one attack on our person by an enemy's own initiative next month. And I welcome it. Murder in self defense throughout the quest carries the hallmark tradition of mocking them viciously both IC and OOC when they, as in the Wire, "take a shot at the King, and miss".
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I like it. I'm going to utilize this mindset, and the quote from one of my favorite shows, from now on. And now that you mention it...when WAS the last time we got proactively attacked? Like, personally?
 
MickOfTime said:
Is he just some random asshole, though? Take a look at the various "oh, shit" reactions from the thread when his possible appearance at the Kingsmoot was brought up. Very true, he's had absolutely no on-screen time that I can recall...yet he's still definitely a presence.
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The reactions mostly seem to be based on how powerful he's likely to be, and they're right that he's be a formidable opponent in a way.

I don't agree that he's ever been a presence, much less that he is one now. If we were still in the early days sure, but he's never been involved in anything related to us. He has hooks to get him back here, but at this point he's so divorced from what's been happening that adding Euron isn't really that different than having a mythic whatsit pop into the plane following one of our extraplanar supply chains and deciding to try a bit of conquest.
 
Honestly hoping Euron does not show up, to much has happened so having him come back now would feel abrupt and out of left field and given how many things we are already juggling it would just needlessly bloat the narrative.
 
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