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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
Current Library:

Additions courtesy of Vahar:


Updated Library:
Common Lore:
Knowledge (Alchemy) +25
Knowledge (Arcana) +34
Knowledge (Architecture) +27
Knowledge (Autohypnosis) +2
Knowledge (Dungeoneering) +29
Knowledge (Economics) +24
Knowledge (Geography) +28
Knowledge (History) +47
Knowledge (Law) +19
Knowledge (Martial Lore) +6
Knowledge (Mathematics) +26
Knowledge (Nature) +24
Knowledge (Nobility and Royalty) +17
Knowledge (Psionics) +24
Knowledge (Religion) +30
Knowledge (The Planes) +25
Knowledge (War) +27
Profession (Trade) +5

Bound Tomes of Knowledge (For ritual use): Religion and Planes +10
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Well these are all steadily catching up to Arcana and History...

I honestly think we're a couple more subjects hitting 20+ and a few more from hitting 30+ toward being the equal of the Citadel, in breadth and depth of lore, just from a different cultural and social context.

There's also the fact that I believe a good portion of the writings by Maesters over the last few centuries at the least, when the Targaryens took over, and maybe from the last couple thousand years after the Andals did, is too mired in political biases and 'expert opinions' to be worth much from a scholarly standpoint.

How many books did Maesters write will we have to fact check with Divination and then shuffle into three columns: "Needs editing", only having lacked accurate data, "Accurate, but rife with biases", with the scholar having accurate data but their preconceptions muddying the waters too much and distorting events, and "should probably be in the Fiction Section", because it's completely falsified and has only the bare minimum of research put into it.

I'm sure Marwyn and Qyburn would be more than happy to start us off.
 
Crake said:
Well these are all steadily catching up to Arcana and History...

I honestly think we're a couple more subjects hitting 20+ and a few more from hitting 30+ toward being the equal of the Citadel, in breadth and depth of lore, just from a different cultural and social context.

There's also the fact that I believe a good portion of the writings by Maesters over the last few centuries at the least, when the Targaryens took over, and maybe from the last couple thousand years after the Andals did, is too mired in political biases and 'expert opinions' to be worth much from a scholarly standpoint.

How many books did Maesters write will we have to fact check with Divination and then shuffle into three columns: "Needs editing", only having lacked accurate data, "Accurate, but rife with biases", with the scholar having accurate data but their preconceptions muddying the waters too much and distorting events, and "should probably be in the Fiction Section", because it's completely falsified and has only the bare minimum of research put into it.

I'm sure Marwyn and Qyburn would be more than happy to start us off.
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I'm expecting a nice boost to several subjects in our library once we acquire the archives maintained by the Citadel, but like you said, once the bullshit is cleared away and we get down to legitimate information (a process that will likely be fairly time consuming for those unlucky bastards who get stuck with the task), the numbers probably won't be all that extreme. Rather than pushing a lot of subjects' bonuses into the stratosphere, I would be happy if we are able to round off those subjects which are lagging behind somewhat.
 
Crake said:
Well these are all steadily catching up to Arcana and History...

I honestly think we're a couple more subjects hitting 20+ and a few more from hitting 30+ toward being the equal of the Citadel, in breadth and depth of lore, just from a different cultural and social context.

There's also the fact that I believe a good portion of the writings by Maesters over the last few centuries at the least, when the Targaryens took over, and maybe from the last couple thousand years after the Andals did, is too mired in political biases and 'expert opinions' to be worth much from a scholarly standpoint.

How many books did Maesters write will we have to fact check with Divination and then shuffle into three columns: "Needs editing", only having lacked accurate data, "Accurate, but rife with biases", with the scholar having accurate data but their preconceptions muddying the waters too much and distorting events, and "should probably be in the Fiction Section", because it's completely falsified and has only the bare minimum of research put into it.

I'm sure Marwyn and Qyburn would be more than happy to start us off.
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I think it'd be more than worth doing a full review of our current library and everything we take from the Citadel to identify every inaccuracy and bit of bias and catalogue it all, rather than simply adding everything to our shelves without checking it over. Like the World of Ice and Fire book which is an IC pro-Lannister propaganda history which states something along the lines of "nobody knows who murdered Princess Elia".
 
Duesal said:
Like the World of Ice and Fire book which is an IC pro-Lannister propaganda history which states something along the lines of "nobody knows who murdered Princess Elia".
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Don't even get me started on that thing, as I've brought it up in thread multiple times.

I'm also reasonably sure that the writer, Yandel, wrote a Pro-Targaryen and a Pro-Lannister version in ASWaH, amusingly hedging his bets, which is probably why we haven't heard any rumors from @DragonParadox about it yet.
 
We should just straight up put together a commission of scholars who will then be tasked to write a definitive history of Westeros and western Essos, using copious amounts of divination's to fact-check everything.
 
Crake said:
Don't even get me started on that thing, as I've brought it up in thread multiple times.

I'm also reasonably sure that the writer, Yandel, wrote a Pro-Targaryen and a Pro-Lannister version in ASWaH, amusingly hedging his bets, which is probably why we haven't heard any rumors from @DragonParadox about it yet.
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LOL, it would be a real pain in the ass to have to hand write two largely identical but slightly different manuscripts just to cover your bases based on medieval political BS.

Quite a bit more time and effort involved than a newspaper having the typeset ready to immediately begin printing the headline announcing the new POTUS.
Azel said:
We should just straight up put together a commission of scholars who will then be tasked to write a definitive history of Westeros and western Essos, using copious amounts of divination's to fact-check everything.
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Necromancy, too. Can't overlook the possibility of extracting the info straight from the source, so to speak.
 
Azel said:
We should just straight up put together a commission of scholars who will then be tasked to write a definitive history of Westeros and western Essos, using copious amounts of divination's to fact-check everything.
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Truly, truly amusing. I wonder what the academic community will think. Or really bring themselves to believe.

I know we'd only be doing this for the next generation, who would be the ones learning this in public schooling, but it would be funny if there was a lot of academic strife over it, because you could compare the work the commission periodically released, and then read other similar accounts in libraries across both continents, and you would find that the objectivity which went into the commission's work is way too uncanny to be sheer Targaryen propaganda.

What's even scarier is we have the ability to spread these writings really far, so it would basically be an event of apocalyptic proportions for any conspiracy which was trying to alter the perspective of feudal society by distorting facts...
 
Azel said:
We should just straight up put together a commission of scholars who will then be tasked to write a definitive history of Westeros and western Essos, using copious amounts of divination's to fact-check everything.
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Hell yes.

... Well, why not everywhere we rule while we're at it?

History of Sothoryos and all the various kingdoms and empires therein that we're aware of. Maybe with commentary from Yss and Riz'Neth's vast collection of serpentfolk skulls. History of Naath (not much of a history, frankly, but still). Etc etc.

May as well get a definitive "History of the World before the Imperium" up and rolling.
 
Crake said:
What's even scarier is we have the ability to spread these writings really far, so it would basically be an event of apocalyptic proportions for any conspiracy which was trying to alter the perspective of feudal society by distorting facts...
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Well, except our own conspiracy. We have a whole lot more reach and propaganda power to make our version of history stick.

Funny thing is that slanting anything in our favor is pretty much unnecessary. Just accurately reporting on what all the other chucklefucks have been up to the last few centuries is plenty to paint us as the perfect ruler of the perfect realm.
 
Azel said:
Funny thing is that slanting anything in our favor is pretty much unnecessary. Just accurately reporting on what all the other chucklefucks have been up to the last few centuries is plenty to paint us as the perfect ruler of the perfect realm.
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Case and Point. Westerosi "Law". Just looking at that is enough to make a sane man run to the hills

Edit: Who could forget the rule of six.
 
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Azel said:
I'm unsure of what you mean.
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Rule of six

The rule of six is a law enacted by Queen Rhaenys Targaryen during the reign of Aegon I Targaryen. While holding court at the Aegonfort in King's Landing, a man was brought before the queen for beating his wife to death. The woman's brothers wanted the culprit punished, but the husband argued he...
awoiaf.westeros.org awoiaf.westeros.org

You can beat your wife six times if she's unfaithful to you, but the stick has to be no bigger than your thumb.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Oh the punishment for female adultery is to beat a woman 6 times with a rod no bigger than a thumb. Anymore than that is illegal
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Duesal said:

Rule of six

The rule of six is a law enacted by Queen Rhaenys Targaryen during the reign of Aegon I Targaryen. While holding court at the Aegonfort in King's Landing, a man was brought before the queen for beating his wife to death. The woman's brothers wanted the culprit punished, but the husband argued he...
awoiaf.westeros.org awoiaf.westeros.org

You can beat your wife six times if she's unfaithful to you, but the stick has to be no bigger than your thumb.
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How often can I beat GRRM for including that bit of hot bullshit?
 
Duesal said:

Rule of six

The rule of six is a law enacted by Queen Rhaenys Targaryen during the reign of Aegon I Targaryen. While holding court at the Aegonfort in King's Landing, a man was brought before the queen for beating his wife to death. The woman's brothers wanted the culprit punished, but the husband argued he...
awoiaf.westeros.org awoiaf.westeros.org

You can beat your wife six times if she's unfaithful to you, but the stick has to be no bigger than your thumb.
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Kinky.

Well now we know what kind of bedroom stuff Rhaenys was into.
 
Annatar said:
I'm not sure how much cruelty was the intention there...
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As in with the writing itself. The cruelty of the law being the intent because RR Martin.

I imagine that Rhaenys saw this as the best compromise considering that, since this was mentioned, the beating of adulterous or allegedly adulterous women were a lot worst than 6 hits with a rod no bigger than a thumb.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
With Westerosi(well ASOIAF) law the cruelty is the point I am pretty sure.
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No. My wrath is directed at him including this pseudo-historical bullshit.

I. Just. Argh...

I have intricate knowledge of differences of late stone age pottery in different cultures since I repeatedly needed to mention pottery in my writing, and here GRRM just uses Buzzfeed for his world building.

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ARGH!!!
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
As in with the writing itself. I imagine that Rhaenys saw this as the best compromise considering that, since this was mentioned, the beating of adulterous or allegedly adulterous women were a lot worst than 6 hits with a rod no bigger than a thumb.
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For gods sake man I'm trying to imply she was a sexual deviant!

Stop bringing serious considerations into this!:mad::p
 
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Azel said:
No. My wrath is directed at him including this pseudo-historical bullshit.

I. Just. Argh...

I have intricate knowledge of differences of late stone age pottery in different cultures since I repeatedly needed to mention pottery in my writing, and here GRRM just uses Buzzfeed for his world building.

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ARGH!!!
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We can take pleasure in dismantling every law in Westeros and replacing it with the Imperium's legal code.
 
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