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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
Hopefully they're less experienced in blood magic than we are and don't have that capacity.

Though I wouldn't rule out them getting the necessary knowledge from Baator or something.
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We'll see. Next chapter should shed some light on that.

But from what we heard so far, I'm not really worried. Big stompy Construct is not exactly sending me into a panic.
Artemis1992 said:
We could combine the two things into a solution that works either way.

Have the Dauntless and a few non-dragonblooded PCs show up and crash the party. That way we are pretty save anyway.
As Snowfire so vigorously defended, Viserys' greatest strenght are his allies, and to prove that we can easily send enough PC-power over there to defeat Lanna and friends without any of them having a drop of draconic heritage.
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No, I was referring to sending a strike-team before the invasion to smother their plan in the crib. But yes, sending a team entirely devoid of draconic heritage would be a good safeguard, though not trivial.
The only two people I'm absolutely certain to have no dragonblood at all are Richard and Qyburn. Lya, Vee, Garin, Wylla and Melisandre should have only trace amounts, if at all, but they are Essosi, so it might be dicey.
Well. Then there are Xor and Elaheh, who respectively have no blood or can change theirs if necessary, but I'm not counting outsiders.

Edit: Forgot about Waymar, Tyene and Rina here. Also known as "people who had far too little to do lately".
 
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Azel said:
We'll see. Next chapter should shed some light on that.

But from what we heard so far, I'm not really worried. Big stompy Construct is not exactly sending me into a panic.

No, I was referring to sending a strike-team before the invasion to smother their plan in the crib. But yes, sending a team entirely devoid of draconic heritage would be a good safeguard, though not trivial.
The only two people I'm absolutely certain to have no dragonblood at all are Richard and Qyburn. Lya, Vee, Garin, Wylla and Melisandre should have only trace amounts, if at all, but they are Essosi, so it might be dicey.
Well. Then there are Xor and Elaheh, who respectively have no blood or can change theirs if necessary, but I'm not counting outsiders.

Edit: Forgot about Waymar, Tyene and Rina here. Also known as "people who had far too little to do lately".
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For mechanical purposes of D&D magic, if someone doesn't have the Dragonblooded or Draconic Heritage trait, or is not outright partially Draconic like a Half-Dragon, anything targeting Dragons isn't going to touch them. To break it down further than that is madness, not to mention contrary to well established rules.

For us, that would mean Viserys, Dany, Saenena, and Zherys would be in danger. Along with the various Dragons, too, of course.
 
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Azel said:
We'll see. Next chapter should shed some light on that.

But from what we heard so far, I'm not really worried. Big stompy Construct is not exactly sending me into a panic.

No, I was referring to sending a strike-team before the invasion to smother their plan in the crib. But yes, sending a team entirely devoid of draconic heritage would be a good safeguard, though not trivial.
The only two people I'm absolutely certain to have no dragonblood at all are Richard and Qyburn. Lya, Vee, Garin, Wylla and Melisandre should have only trace amounts, if at all, but they are Essosi, so it might be dicey.
Well. Then there are Xor and Elaheh, who respectively have no blood or can change theirs if necessary, but I'm not counting outsiders.
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I count Erinyes.

But in PCs, we also have Waymar (the Targs married a Royce, but it was a childless marriage and the line stayed with Royce cousins or nephews or so) and Rina who is both not dragonblooded by birth and seperated from any Red nature that might have sneaked in due to her Wintery transformation.
 
DragonParadox said:
and blood forging, crafting a weapon, an engine of sorcery bathed in the blood of dragons, invested with the purpose, the will to slay them, for all the good it will do them now," the Archmaester replied, drawing a parchment from your desk and a stylus from his robes. "Here let me show you how to get to the dragons and their forge. It would be a pity to let all that go to waste
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Sounds familiar.
Monster hunter crossover go?
 
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Goldfish said:
For mechanical purposes of D&D magic, if someone doesn't have the Dragonblooded or Draconic Heritage trait, or is not outright partially Draconic like a Half-Dragon, anything targeting Dragons isn't going to touch them. To break it down further than that is madness, not to mention contrary to well established rules.

For us, that would mean Viserys, Dany, Saenena, and Zherys would be in danger. Along with the various Dragons, too, of course.
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I'm just being extra paranoid.
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
It's not paranoia when they're really flash cloning dragons en mass to sacrifice in a panic fueled desperate attempt to save their asses.
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Nothing about mass cloning has been brought up yet.

Speaking of murdering people though, what's the threads opinion on sending Praetorified Sandor, Oberyn, Tyene and Waymar to pay a visit to Gregor Clegane and Armory Lorch in the 4th month?
It's not executing our own vassals when we extrajudicially murder them before they become our vassals. :grin2:

Or does someone want to give them a fair trial before hanging them?
 
Azel said:
Nothing about mass cloning has been brought up yet.

Speaking of murdering people though, what's the threads opinion on sending Praetorified Sandor, Oberyn, Tyene and Waymar to pay a visit to Gregor Clegane and Armory Lorch in the 4th month?
It's not executing our own vassals when we extrajudicially murder them before they become our vassals. :grin2:

Or does someone want to give them a fair trial before hanging them?
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No no. We will not be denied our Cleganebowl.

Give Sandor his vengeance and let the Martells have a front row seat for the event.

A fair trial has no place here.
 
To kill him or to give him a swirly? :V

I think they would unanimously decide murdering him as swiftly and brutally as possible is best.

I wont remind them to do something with the remains to keep him from coming back. They arent amateurs.
 
Well well.
Look at that.

Lana Lannister seems to actually be the viable "first thing to kill" for the start of our Reconquest.
Like I said for years.
Lana Lannister seems to be making some sort of superweapon to deny us Westeros "salted earth"-style.
Like I said for years.

*sigh*
The character could've worked with a change in a perspective had we seen more of her on-screen, but those two interludes?
Far too far and few in between to judge by, and (assuming Marwyn isn't lying to us here, maybe he's Asmodeus himself, who knows...) now we are gonna murderise her exxtra-hard.

I'm a-okay with that, I just hope we don't go overboard with demonstration of strength (in case it's just a CR20+ Construct and not a "fuck all dragons in thiiiiiis area"-ritual) and lose sight of what we are there to do.
Kill. Shit. Dead.
Not to show off how more mighty we are... well, that's the side benefit as far as I'm concerned, anyway.
Being efficient in disposing of Lannisters is the key to Reconquesy, the way I see it.
 
egoo said:
Well well.
Look at that.

Lana Lannister seems to actually be the viable "first thing to kill" for the start of our Reconquest.
Like I said for years.
Lana Lannister seems to be making some sort of superweapon to deny us Westeros "salted earth"-style.
Like I said for years.
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A note here, the making of a weapon to kill dragons does not seem to indicate a desire to 'salt the earth'. It seems pretty narrowly directed.
 
Hmmm. So Lana is so narrow minded as to rather try to devote all her resources to develop an anti-dragon superweapon instead of... everything else. A pity that we can send all the Monster Manual after her if we really want to.
 
Duesal said:
Honestly them sacrificing their dragons to slay dragons we're not even going to use (beyond the obvious PR effects of King's Landing once again being in the shadow of Balerion the Black Dread) is hilarious. This just reeks of desperation and madness. At a certain point you've just got to cut your losses and run away.

But on the other hand I've always wanted to kill Lanna, so I'm happy about this.
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Viserys is a dragon, I don't think this is an anti-Valyrian dragon weapon, it's probably a proper anti-dragon weapon, meant to be able to kill proper Wyrms.
 
I'm curious about how powerful this construct can actually be without outside assistance. I mean we can't just forge things and then directly use them as sacrifice fodder, or use artificial aging to get super dragons at will.

Thats partially a mechanic to stop us from going full cheese, but it also has IC explications that they need to be getting around.

I can think of two ways they could be doing it off the top of my head. Firstly the construct is getting the bulk of its power somewhere else and is only primed by the dragons. Secondly that the party they're sacrificing to is willing to take a loss on this particular exchange because they have a horse in the race.

The implication of them getting the power out themselves and making something like this is that they've managed to bypass issues that stymie actual gods for ages. More than that, it requires them to have done it with some self taught hicks in an organization that probably operates on a tenth of our crafting budget alone. I don't doubt that they have something that can threaten us, but I'm not buying that they did it with what Lana can find on the open market on the PoE.

If I'm correct, then its entirely possible that the stuff they're working with doesn't do exactly what they think it does. Even if it sounds like something we can take it might be a better idea to destroy the labs first chance we get.
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As a side note, their labs are in a highly modified demiplane right? Do you think that counts for Planar Perinarch? If so, we could just take control of the whole thing and fuck off with it. We might even be able to use this as a test for the OG feywild anchor scheme and use a weirwood tree to take it.

Let the original caster try to play mental tug of war with a divine hive mind with the magic domain.:V
 
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I am also just kind of curious about how well she actually did.

I mean I'm not at full evil overlord yet.

But I would love stats For it.
 
egoo said:
Conspiracy Theory time!
She got replaced by an Illithid/Devil/whatever, and now works to bring ruin to everywhere, because 'original' Lana would've likely sided with us.
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If we're going to speculate like that, then why look any further than Tywin? He's a family member she trusted at least a degree, and he has a clear interest in mind control. I don't see Tywin dealing with someone he views as an inferior having more power than him without a leash of some kind around their neck. She helped him build up other mages and contacts that he could compel to in turn sucker punch her with a little bit of luck and a good plan.

If he was willing to be a particularly awful person he could have taken her kids then threatened them to get her to remove her protections and not resist the spells. A few memory wipes later and no one who still has free will knows anything.

I see no reason to believe that she didn't just decide that the world order Viserys champions is too alien for her to accept, but it's technically a possibility.
 
Maybe she hopes to prevent Tywin from salting the very earth with his fancy new anti-dragon weapon and doesn't think she can do it from outside.

In any case, as long as she refuses to surrender or defect, she is fair game to be KIA during battle.
 
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