A Little Vice (Trans Magical Girl fic)

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It's entirely unintentional, but a wolf is used to symbolize greed in Dante's Inferno, so it's probably an old metaphor that would date around to that era of christian sin naming and stuff.

I have my own guesses as to why Avaritia is a wolf but honestly I don't think Sharks are classically gluttonous either. Logical Extrapolation - the Abyssal Beasts all need an animal motif that allows for Shining Virtue Angelic Heart to sell merchandise and plushies of them, and the marketing team threw out some more direct animal metaphors for that reason.
 
Yeah the Inferno is WEIRD though. Like half his stuff doesn't fit with the classical or contemporary mythologies, being made up outright (like the very weird Oddysseus fanfic diatribe he has) and the other half is just throwing shade at random local faces or political foes.
I mean... it's the 14th century equivalent of a 250k word AO3 fic with only the most concerning of tags, which managed to breach containment so hard it became canon to the Christverse. It's the C0DA of Catholicism.
 
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It stinks that Lupin would rather force C to experiment with gender than talk over Inessa's confession.
Honestly, the impression that I came away with is that Lupin didn't grok that Inessa was crushing on eir, or the significance of the chocolate and the date. From eir perspective, Inessa just decided to give em some chocolates, which was odd, but hey, a greedy, greedy wolf isn't going to turn down free chocolate!
 
...Really? "Greedy Wolf" is a saying, I'm pretty sure. Crows aren't greedy, I'd say, they lean more towards envy if anything.
I'm not familiar with "Greedy Wolf" as a saying, and associate corvids in general with coveting shiny objects. (Magpies more than ravens and ravens more than crows, but "Raven" works better as a civilian name if she's not Avaricia Raven, and Avaricia Magpie just sounds silly.)
Maybe it's a regional thing.


Yeah the Inferno is WEIRD though. Like half his stuff doesn't fit with the classical or contemporary mythologies, being made up outright (like the very weird Oddysseus fanfic diatribe he has) and the other half is just throwing shade at random local faces or political foes.
You are right! However, it has had more influence on Christian symbolism than any piece of literature since maybe Revelations.


Honestly, the impression that I came away with is that Lupin didn't grok that Inessa was crushing on eir, or the significance of the chocolate and the date. From eir perspective, Inessa just decided to give em some chocolates, which was odd, but hey, a greedy, greedy wolf isn't going to turn down free chocolate!
I also want to think this, but Lupin associates malls with teens hanging out ey've probably consumed enough millennial pop culture to understand that there's a connection between Valentine's Day, chocolate, and love, and ey doesn't seem socially clueless enough to fail to connect that tangle with what Inessa did.

The least bad explanation that seems plausible at this point is that ey just didn't give Inessa's gift any thought at all. Which still stinks!
 
! I believe you're legally required to have at least one."

So, when I read this I immediately thought it means C's Beast form is an animal that usually wears a collar, which would be probably a cat, maybe a dog (but Lupin is already a wolf, so...). Of course, it could be just because they're "beasts" or something else, I'm not exactly an expert on social cues.
 
So, when I read this I immediately thought it means C's Beast form is an animal that usually wears a collar, which would be probably a cat, maybe a dog (but Lupin is already a wolf, so...). Of course, it could be just because they're "beasts" or something else, I'm not exactly an expert on social cues.

Trans women having chokers is a common stereotype, and Avaritia may know this or might just be relaying a joke Temperance told at some point that ey are interpreting as an actual rule.
 
Magpies more than ravens and ravens more than crows, but "Raven" works better as a civilian name if she's not Avaricia Raven, and Avaricia Magpie just sounds silly
Avaritia Blood Raven (lock the reliquary)
So, when I read this I immediately thought it means C's Beast form is an animal that usually wears a collar, which would be probably a cat, maybe a dog (but Lupin is already a wolf, so...). Of course, it could be just because they're "beasts" or something else, I'm not exactly an expert on social cues.
Nah, it's to hide the adams apple in girl mode.
 
This story is one of the best I've read in a while. However I seem to have run out of story to read. Does anyone have any recommendations for similar things to read in between updates?
 
"It sucked and I hated it." Lupin responded cheerfully. "They did everything they could to try and make us into 'virtuous children', no matter what would have broken along the way."

I winced at that. "I'd say 'I'm sorry,' but that wouldn't cover it, would it?"

She shook her head. "No, but we got away, in the end. I mean," she laughed, "I'm pretty flexible, you know. I could have bent myself up enough to fit in without breaking. But we didn't and now things are better and someday we'll get to go back and force them to see that they're wrong and then there won't be any more kids like us!"
Sweet Jiminy Cricket I cannot express how badly I want to know what this actually means. Stupid greedwolf hoarding all the backstory deets.
I think Inessa (and Ida, and sometimes Temperance) is trying to let C make her own decisions. And then she gets dragged into an argument about how to treat C when she's right there.
Yeah, I think the main issue is that this is coming out in a philosophical screaming match and that's not great for certain kinds of nuance. Respect for autonomy seems to be a major thematic divide between the two sides, and for all Avaritia's rhetoric about sin setting people free it's eir team that's got the mind control incense and the forced transformations. (Heck, even in their respective attitudes about force-femming C, Temperance has gone, "I can stop making comments about you in skirts right now if they're making you uncomfortable," while Lupin was just, "I bet I can turn that 'anything but that' into a yes!")

Not that it doesn't still suck for C, of course.
Well, if the next chapter name is to be trusted seems that soon we shall see what kind of beast C becomes.
I am betting in a snake.
Nah, nah, this has clearly been building up to C being a crocodile. No other animal is so deep in de Nile.
...Really? "Greedy Wolf" is a saying, I'm pretty sure. Crows aren't greedy, I'd say, they lean more towards envy if anything.
My very amateur research indicates that greed was traditionally associated with corvids. (Also foxes, frogs, and the color gold.) Blame medieval folks, I guess?
 
invidia [corvid of some stripe] is the best guess for C's name, as snakes are kind of similar to dragons in a biblical sense, and also we don't have a bird yet and that's just too large an animal category for a marketing team to give up. Also we don't have an Air magical girl. We have water, fire, and earth. and saint caritas/charity as the eventual post transition names but that's kind of a gimme

of course the whole setup kind of implies that each of the saints is also the respective beast, which means we will eventually get to see mr. noir in a saint of humility dress.
Huh. Makes me wonder what Avaricia, Gula, and Superbia were before becoming Abyssal Beasts. Noir and Lupin's family could have just been normal religious types who Noir hid an occult obsession from, but...
my guess is that they were angels. lupin/noir have the accent, they come from somewhere else, they have enough magical know-how to be analogues of Michael, who's probably the fuzz sent to get them for their magical crimes against trees (scratching the bark and public urination, if we go by dog stereotypes). lupin evidences strong feelings about a 'virtuous' upbringing telling them how to be.
gula was probably a human accomplice/buddy. lupin suggested this chapter that she's gluttonous because she was malnourished and didn't have enough food as a kid, which just sounds like a more human background.
 
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invidia [corvid of some stripe] is the best guess for C's name, as snakes are kind of similar to dragons in a biblical sense, and also we don't have a bird yet and that's just too large an animal category for a marketing team to give up. and saint caritas/charity as the eventual post transition names but that's kind of a gimme
Hm. That last dream sequence did have a bunch of avian imagery, with dream-C narrating about wings to fly close to the sun and referring to their victim as a songbird.

(There was also mention of having fangs, but I think demon birds can get away with that.)
of course the whole setup kind of implies that each of the saints is also the respective beast, which means we will eventually get to see mr. noir in a saint of humility dress.
I remember reading once that pride was considered the deadliest of the sins because it's incompatible with recognizing that you might need redemption, so it would be thematic for Superbia to be the only one who stays in beast mode.

Also in my experience it's fairly common in magical girl shows for the leader of Team Evil to be the only one who doesn't flip, and Mr. Noir is, just, the fucking worst.
my guess is that they were angels. lupin/noir have the accent, they come from somewhere else, they have enough magical know-how to be analogues of Michael, who's probably the fuzz sent to get them for their magical crimes against trees (scratching the bark and public urination, if we go by dog stereotypes). lupin evidences strong feelings about a 'virtuous' upbringing telling them how to be.
So there's certainly compelling evidence for this, but on the other hand there's an angel mascotting the Saints and nothing about what we've seen of Michael suggests the kind of restrictiveness Lupin refers to. Inessa becoming Castitas explicitly involved embracing her inner disaster gay. Ida keeps getting harangued by Michael to stop going so hard on her signature virtue and to practice some dang self-care. Temperance not only gets to pig out when she wants, she's the one who can just fuckin' be on the GSA while Lupin at last check hadn't come out to eir uncle about being nonbinary. Lupin's whole worldview seems to be informed by a reaction against an unhealthy, excessive approach to virtue, but Michael is championing a healthy medium.

In conclusion: ???
 
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The writing is good but there's a lot of problems with this story. The world building as of the latest chapter is non-existent. We have no name for the town this takes place in, no info on why the 'evil' side is using kiddy gloves, and no info what country the story takes place in.

I have zero frame of reference for where events take place, and that's a bad thing. When I was reading this I kept asking myself "where Is this taking place and why don't the bad guys simply start killing people?"
 
(There was also mention of having fangs, but I think demon birds can get away with that.)
well, snake is still a pretty strong contender. the first thing Invidia did (besides admire herself) was bite Inessa IIRC
also yeah noir probably is the irredeemable one but it's funnier to imagine him being a repressing boomer, and lupin is a very biased source who may or may not be accurate about the structure of Magical Society
 
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The writing is good but there's a lot of problems with this story. The world building as of the latest chapter is non-existent. We have no name for the town this takes place in, no info on why the 'evil' side is using kiddy gloves, and no info what country the story takes place in.

I have zero frame of reference for where events take place, and that's a bad thing. When I was reading this I kept asking myself "where Is this taking place and why don't the bad guys simply start killing people?"
I don't really agree with you. Ultimately knowing the name of the town and country this takes place in wouldn't really change much about the story. I won't deny it could be nice to know, but it's not really important.

As for the villains not killing people, I feel like that's been made pretty clear at this point. Like, it's been made pretty clear that, with the possible exception of Superbia who hasn't gotten involved, the Dark Magical Girls aren't actually evil. Their whole philosophy is that sin is a good thing that helps people. In one of C's interludes we've seen that resinners are made so people can express the sins they've been repressing deep down. We don't know that Avaritia uses the same criteria, but I'd be willing to bet ey do. Killing people doesn't help anyone.
 
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well, snake is still a pretty strong contender. the first thing Invidia did (besides admire herself) was bite Inessa IIRC
also yeah noir probably is the irredeemable one but it's funnier to imagine him being a repressing boomer, and lupin is a very biased source who may or may not be accurate about the structure of Magical Society
Sure, Lupin's account could well be warped by bias, but how would this bias arise in a society where Michael is representative? And if the archangel isn't representative of angel society, why not?
The writing is good but there's a lot of problems with this story. The world building as of the latest chapter is non-existent. We have no name for the town this takes place in, no info on why the 'evil' side is using kiddy gloves, and no info what country the story takes place in.

I have zero frame of reference for where events take place, and that's a bad thing. When I was reading this I kept asking myself "where Is this taking place and why don't the bad guys simply start killing people?"
Adding on to what Theaxofwar mentioned above, how would killing people even be useful for the bad guys? Their goal is to influence the First Tree by making Resinners, for which they need a healthy supply of living people full of sin.

(There's also the answer that this is notionally a side-character's-eye view of the kind of magical girl show that has low lethality and is set in a deliberately generic town, but I suspect you wouldn't find that satisfying.)
 
Sure, Lupin's account could well be warped by bias, but how would this bias arise in a society where Michael is representative? And if the archangel isn't representative of angel society, why not?
The preliminary answer is that we don't know, we don't have the information to make solid conclusion at this point.

If work from the assumption that Lupin, Michael, Noir and such come from the same world, then maybe the difference is that they come from different nations on that world, if it even is divided between nations or some other kinds of areas. Maybe things used to be like Lupin described but have changed since then, we have no timeline for these events and for all we know, Lupin could be centuries old in Earth years. Maybe Michael is more openminded about things than is standard for their kind, maybe Lupin was born/raised in a very zealous cult/culture, maybe Lupin has been manipulated, been shown only the worst parts of society to make her a Beast, or maybe ey simply had bad parents. Or multiple other possible reasons, we simply don't know.
 
The writing is good but there's a lot of problems with this story. The world building as of the latest chapter is non-existent. We have no name for the town this takes place in, no info on why the 'evil' side is using kiddy gloves, and no info what country the story takes place in.

I have zero frame of reference for where events take place, and that's a bad thing. When I was reading this I kept asking myself "where Is this taking place and why don't the bad guys simply start killing people?"
Because the show is heavily inspired by magical girl genre conventions, and in Magical Girl Classic, these questions may have answers but the answers aren't all that important.

As to why the bad guys don't simply start killing people... Well, why would that be helpful to their goals?
 
"World building" is not an unalloyed good. It is a perfectly respectable (and normal tbh) choice for a story to dispense with it, if it is uninterested in it, nor has there really been a lot of people interested in telling C about this. If you watch any magical girl shows—by which I mean other than Madoka or Nanoha, the only magical girl shows the average SVer is aware of beyond Sailor Moon—such as Pretty Cure, none of this is really out of the ordinary.
 
Yeah, I think the main issue is that this is coming out in a philosophical screaming match and that's not great for certain kinds of nuance. Respect for autonomy seems to be a major thematic divide between the two sides, and for all Avaritia's rhetoric about sin setting people free it's eir team that's got the mind control incense and the forced transformations.
Which is interesting, because Avaricia clearly thinks she's fighting for people to do what they really want. And she has latched on to one of the few people who might actually benefit from being shoved out of a semi-comfortable equilibrium, so I can see why she think she's helping, but there's a balance that needs to be struck here—one closer to jokes about dressing C in a pretty skirt than villainy with a side of magic HRT.

Nah, nah, this has clearly been building up to C being a crocodile. No other animal is so deep in de Nile.
This is a good line and I wish I had thought of it.


The writing is good but there's a lot of problems with this story. The world building as of the latest chapter is non-existent. We have no name for the town this takes place in, no info on why the 'evil' side is using kiddy gloves, and no info what country the story takes place in.

I have zero frame of reference for where events take place, and that's a bad thing. When I was reading this I kept asking myself "where Is this taking place and why don't the bad guys simply start killing people?"
The town and country that this takes place in doesn't really matter. At least 90% of the story takes place at school or at one of the main characters' homes, and if there isn't a culture festival episode or something, every place that chapter 1 could plausibly take place in works equally well.

As for why the villains don't...I dunno...try to murder the Saints or whatever, that doesn't seem like a big issue either? I guess it could be nice if the story addressed that, but if it's just an unaddressed aspect of the tone, that's fine too. A Little Vice isn't an action series, the monsters only matter insofar as they express or influence the motivations of various characters. Hell, Superbia's evil plan doesn't really matter except in how he's trying to use C (and how it motivates the other characters who matter).

This isn't a traditional magical girl story being told from a side character's perspective. It's a story about a side character in a traditional magical girl story.


Sure, Lupin's account could well be warped by bias, but how would this bias arise in a society where Michael is representative? And if the archangel isn't representative of angel society, why not?
These questions don't have answers right now, which is why I'm hesitant to touch any angel-related theories. It could make sense for Superbia to be a fallen angel, but we know basically nothing about what angels are or how they operate in this universe, and we would need to extrapolate basically everything about angelkind from one character who features in, like, two scenes. One of which has her focusing on not being eaten by a baby shark.
 
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The preliminary answer is that we don't know, we don't have the information to make solid conclusion at this point.
These questions don't have answers right now, which is why I'm hesitant to touch any angel-related theories.
Y'all you don't have to tell me we don't have answers for that yet. The questions are just me voicing my befuddlement. There's a reason my previous post on the subject ended with


Which is interesting, because Avaricia clearly thinks she's fighting for people to do what they really want. And she has latched on to one of the few people who
Looks like you got cut off at the end there, but yes.

Lupin: I'm fighting so that kids won't be forced into virtue-shaped boxes that don't fit them!
Lupin's uncle: I will literally mind-control this high schooler into publicly humiliating themselves because they're taking too long to fit into the sin-shaped box I have assigned them.
As for why the villains don't...I dunno...try to murder the Saints or whatever, that doesn't seem like a big issue either? I guess it could be nice if the story addressed that, but if it's just an unaddressed aspect of the tone, that's fine too.
I wouldn't really call it unaddressed, frankly. Of the 2.5 villains in the story, Superbia doesn't go out and do fieldwork enough for C to be aware he exists at the beginning of the story and Invidia and Avaritia both consider at least one Saint a dear friend. And beyond that, "we should kill the guys who keep winning when we fight" is something of a "bell the cat" situation.
 
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