A Light from the Shadow (Tolkien CKII)

on the one hand, trying to mediate between the Rohirim and the Dunledings would avoid us some hardship, and tighter rear guardds, but if Sauruman doesn't fall, the threat the Dunledings pose is minor. Now, if we can dislodge the Black Numenoreans from Umbar... Gondor's southern flank becomes secure, not to mention we add one more check to Mordor and deny Sauron of more followers or, at least, will force him to try and contain the problem there and will force him to focus his sight there. this could allow us a greater amplitude of action and to gain the initiative.


[X] Braca
[X] Hassan

[x] The warning dream you have had. Sauron clearly must be dealt with.
[x] The reintroduction of the Men of Dunland into the wider stage, and a clear defining of their territories for future diplomatic purposes.
[x] The 'Evil' that Hassan claims has risen in the south. Anything involving the Black Numenorean bears discussion.
[x] The condition of the orcs present and the efforts being made.
[x] The stories of returned heroes and kings and how they're undoubtedly Sauron's Nazgul.
-[x] Use this lead-in to touch on the issue of the rings and how the whole business of trapping the Fea in the Hroa works. Ask Saruman to offer any insight into the implications.
--[x] Use our shiny diplomacy stat to make sure Thrain's sensibilities aren't trampled over or his honor besmirched. Also make sure Gandalf doesn't butt in needlessly, or at least doesn't cut Saruman off as he seemed prone to do when he is concerned.
[x] Any issues the others wish to raise.
 
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  1. [X] Braca
    [X] Hassan
    Number of voters: 5
    Random Member, Walkin' Man, Dark Abstraction, Shador, auduni
  2. [X] Braca
    [X] Morwen
    [x] The warning dream you have had. Sauron clearly must be dealt with.
    [x] The reintroduction of the Men of Dunland into the wider stage, and a clear defining of their territories for future diplomatic purposes.
    [x] The 'Evil' that Hassan claims has risen in the south. Anything involving the Black Numenorean bears discussion.
    [x] The condition of the orcs present and the efforts being made.
    [x] The stories of returned heroes and kings and how they're undoubtedly Sauron's Nazgul.
    -[x] Use this lead-in to touch on the issue of the rings and how the whole business of trapping the Fea in the Hroa works. Ask Saruman to offer any insight into the implications.
    --[x] Use our shiny diplomacy stat to make sure Thrain's sensibilities aren't trampled over or his honor besmirched. Also make sure Gandalf doesn't butt in needlessly, or at least doesn't cut Saruman off as he seemed prone to do when he is concerned.
    [x] Any issues the others wish to raise.
    Number of voters: 4
    Karmic Acumen, Silver719, veekie, Terrabrand
  3. [X] Hassan
    [X] Gandalf
    Number of voters: 1
    jamie96969
  4. [X] Gandalf
    [X] Miriel
    [X] Sauron has stopped to only search for the Ring and now bend his will towards war
    -[X] Discuss options: Defensive alliance, preemtive attack on Minas Morgul or Dol Guldur, putting our own efforts towards finding the Ring to make sure it is denied to the foe? What are our priorities, without those any resistance will be in pieces to be easily swallowed for the enemy?
    Number of voters: 1
    Artemis1992
  5. [x] Saruman
    [x] Braca and Morwen together
    [x] The warning dream you have had. Sauron clearly must be dealt with.
    [x] The reintroduction of the Men of Dunland into the wider stage, and a clear defining of their territories for future diplomatic purposes.
    [x] The 'Evil' that Hassan claims has risen in the south. Anything involving the Black Numenorean bears discussion.
    [x] The condition of the orcs present and the efforts being made.
    [x] The stories of returned heroes and kings and how they're undoubtedly Sauron's Nazgul.
    -[x] Use this lead-in to touch on the issue of the rings and how the whole business of trapping the Fea in the Hroa works. Ask Saruman to offer any insight into the implications.
    --[x] Use our shiny diplomacy stat to make sure Thrain's sensibilities aren't trampled over or his honor besmirched. Also make sure Gandalf doesn't butt in needlessly, or at least doesn't cut Saruman off as he seemed prone to do when he is concerned.
    [x] Any issues the others wish to raise.
    Number of voters: 1
    ShadowNic94
  6. [X] Braca
    [X] Hassan
    [x] The reintroduction of the Men of Dunland into the wider stage, and a clear defining of their territories for future diplomatic purposes.
    [x] The 'Evil' that Hassan claims has risen in the south. Anything involving the Black Numenorean bears discussion.
    [x] The condition of the orcs present and the efforts being made.
    Number of voters: 1
    néocorvinus
  7. [X] Braca
    [X] Morwen
    [x] The reintroduction of the Men of Dunland into the wider stage, and a clear defining of their territories for future diplomatic purposes.
    [x] The 'Evil' that Hassan claims has risen in the south. Anything involving the Black Numenorean bears discussion.
    [x] The condition of the orcs present and the efforts being made.
    [X] About our dream and what could it mean about Sauron's plans
    Number of voters: 1
    ctulhuslp
  8. [X] Braca
    [X] Hassan
    [x] The warning dream you have had. Sauron clearly must be dealt with.
    [x] The reintroduction of the Men of Dunland into the wider stage, and a clear defining of their territories for future diplomatic purposes.
    [x] The 'Evil' that Hassan claims has risen in the south. Anything involving the Black Numenorean bears discussion.
    [x] The condition of the orcs present and the efforts being made.
    [x] The stories of returned heroes and kings and how they're undoubtedly Sauron's Nazgul.
    -[x] Use this lead-in to touch on the issue of the rings and how the whole business of trapping the Fea in the Hroa works. Ask Saruman to offer any insight into the implications.
    --[x] Use our shiny diplomacy stat to make sure Thrain's sensibilities aren't trampled over or his honor besmirched. Also make sure Gandalf doesn't butt in needlessly, or at least doesn't cut Saruman off as he seemed prone to do when he is concerned.
    [x] Any issues the others wish to raise.
    Number of voters: 1
    Chaos Blade
 
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The White Council part 2: Braca
The White Council part 2: Braca
Appearances can be deceiving.

Consider yourself in the form Nienna has allowed you to take. You are old yet spry, thinned by years on the roads and years of hardship but not yet broken. Your nature expresses itself in wiry muscles and sharp angles while the doom of the Istari is plain on your long beard and flowing hair. You haven't tried yet this form in battle, preferring for your conflicts your native shape of light and fire, but you have come to realize each day wearing the human form is a battle in itself. Your former corruption was stripped from you but so entwined was it with the rest of your being it manifests as scars coursing along your body, still paining you. You welcome the pain for it enables you to feel what your victims felt and thus to better understand them and atone for the sins you've committed. Yet you understand your face, who is a partially healed wound despite hair and beard, your traits seeming to have melted in some great fire before being fixed again by the hand of some gifted artists, can inspire fear. While your voice is honey, your face is coal and you suspected that any interactions with people other than the Elves would lead to rejection. This is not the case for Braca of the Dunlendings looks at you with awe and pity mingled.

Himself is great and mighty according to the standards of mortal men. He declared having only seen eighteen winters pass and yet he is strong of limb and muscle. In the intermingled boasts you heard him exchange with the maiden of Rohan, you gather he was once able to strangle a wolf with his bare hands, feeling the breath of the beast dry out while the light in its eyes faded to nothing. Interestingly enough he was not hunting at this time. While most men of Dunland are accustomed to raids and battle, Braca is primarily a shepherd like many of his clans and the wolf he killed was just a member of the pack who stayed too long to eat one of his sheep. He is still a chieftain among his people but the Dunlendings are so poor a people that a great hall,some flocks of sheep and other beasts, and an heirloom sword found among the ruins of Gondor's fortresses, are the riches of their princes. Yet despite the humbleness of his situation he holds his head high like a prince. He knows of valor having shed the blood of men and orcs alike and in battle he proved himself valiant. In his eyes you see the light of a keen mind and you understand what Saruman sees in him.

At your urging, he speaks of the history of his people. Their legends ensure they left their homes in the North after what you piece are garbled recollections of the tale of Hurin. They established themselves in what is now Rohan and for a moment had peace, taking for themselves the fortresses established by Exiles of Numenor when they retreated to the safety of their kingdoms. Yet the people of Gondor still considered the land theirs and saw no kinship between them and the Dunlendings who yet were of the Three Houses and thus more kin to Gondor than the latecomers Rohirrim. After Gondor gave their lands to the Rohirrims in exchange for service in war the Dunlendings warred with the horse-lords for centuries. At least that's what say the two people at war for as Braca said smiling not all contacts are warlike. Sometimes couples form between the two opposite cultures and wise would be the one to identify the people of the villages on the borders of Dunland as Dunlendings and Rohirrims. Still the clans generally raid their richer neighbors for food or riches, for life is difficult in the foothills of Dunland. At least it was so until Saruman took pity on them and resolved to help them as only Aulendil can.

From what he describes you spot an interesting mixture of barbarism and fidelity to ancient customs. Dunland seems to be a land of pasture and meagre farming where important elevations are crowned with hill forts. In them few monuments but standing stones and icons of half-remembered gods. From what you understand the Dunlendings remember the Valar but dimly but their gods and goddesses are nearly a perfect fit. Even Makar and Mekassé your predecessors in passing from the Shadow to the Light are given respect. They have legends told in poetry about some of their kinsmen who offended the mighty lords of the west by breaking their oaths and were condemned to stay forever as wailing wraiths and haunt the Path of the Dead.

Wait a minute. How in the heavens this tribe has managed to incur the wrath of Mandos himself? One of the fundamental characteristics of the mannish féa is its need to fly beyond the Circle of the World to whatever fate Eru Allfather has decreed for them. Fell sorcery or the power of the Rings can counteract this tendency and the dead can serve in Sauron's armies, where they are a fairly inefficient bunch, with the exception of the Nazguls who are technically still alive, wraiths have only fear as a weapon. Still you cannot help but wonder what happened. It is sure this clan dabbled in black magic but how did they manage to anchor themselves to the world for an Age is unknown.

Point of Interest: The Paths of the Dead and the Oathbreakers

Saruman has taken efforts to change the Dunlendings, notably giving them access to better tools and pestering Radagast until the brown wizard managed to identify the best arable lands in their country and give them some tips. Yet the main objectives of the Chief of the Council seems to settle the conflict between Dunland and Rohan and thus include them in a web of alliances and trade which would allow them to live better. Obviously it would mean that the descendants of Haleth would rejoin the free folk armies come the battle of the wars to come.

Unfortunately Braca, while there to plead his people cause, is also present because problems have arose in his lands. Spurred by the changes, some learned bards have contacted spirits who promised them a golden age for their people. These bards having emerged as five powerful sorcerers, you are betting on them being fell Maïar or more probably of those elves who refused the calls of Mandos. Braca describes his failure to oust them from their groves and stone circles and how in the last attack he led, a fell voice seemed to answer the conjurers pleas and strengthen their resolve.

Well another thing to solve then.

[] Write-in another subject or question to Braca
[] Pass to Morwen
 
Hmm...LotR lore has never been my strong point, so I'll abstain from this vote. Although I'd like to once again mention I'm glad this quest lives, it's a very good read imo.

On a lighter note, with the entire 'your face is coal' bit, I'm imagining ourselves as Old man Vulkan with a beard.
 
[X] pass to Morwen

Looks like Sauron really is mobilizing. Though I think it's worth remembering that the core mission of BestBalrog is to uplift his Orcish charges. We shouldn't get so distracted with events far from us BestBalrog fails the prime goal.

I wonder if it would be possible to encourage links between our Orcs and the Dunlendings to strengthen them both?

fasquardon
 
The White Council: part 3 Morwen
Morwen
The lady standing before you is clad as she was going for war. She wields a shirt of ringed steel mail. A proper shirt of mail actually, this is not some ceremonial armor made for show or the grave. You don't know the customs of the world but having seen elven maids go with the men to the battles of Beleriand, it doesn't surprise you overmuch. She bears no helm but her mane of red hair and is fair of face and still the gaze is more attracted to the spear she carries in the back and the shield she wears openly. The device in it is strange at the first sight, a white horse with a mane like foam in a field of blue. Strange for someone coming from a kingdom who knows not the sea. Perhaps the memory of some forgotten birth beyond the hills. Amusingly there is no trace in her of the blood of Numenor, yet she is honored by the descendants of the sunken lands above the Dunlendings who were of the Edaïn which fought Morgoth in the First Age. This is no matter for you. You know there were other things in the world than the wars of Beleriand and don't doubt the origins of the Rohirimm could be interesting to students of lore. Still the irony is appreciated.

She comes from Rohan realm of the horsemen. You've heard this story from Braca but the Rohirrim version is a bit different. She says that the land was given to Eorl the Young after an alliance with Gondor to fight the Wainriders who came from the East. The origins of the horse-lords are unknown and Morwen is far from a loremistress but she hints they too came from the East and fled there a dark king who died not, a lord of carrion who had power over the dead. Could it be that Sauron after his defeat in the Second Age resided among the ancestors of her people and that some, disgusted by its rule fled without turning back. It's what happened to the Edain in the days of Beleriand after all. Still Morwen describe a simple land of farmers whose ranches produce the finest steed in Middle-Earth and whose ways is simple warrior life where fighting is never far, be it against the Dunlendings or the Orcs of the mountains. The only two notable cities are Edoras and Helm's Deep, and the latter was not even built by the Rohirrim themselves. Yet for their lack of shine, they are of the Free people, worship Orome above all Valar and have always fought the servants of the Shadow.

Morwen herself you are ambivalent with. You sense a fire within her, an enthusiasm but also a desire to command and order. She is competent enough, the daughter of a minor noble who didn't hesitate to gather her household and humble herself before Saruman, passing the Isen when the Orcs launched a last attack against her home. Still she wants revenge and being the last heir of her family, she expects to be respected as such. In some way, you are wary of her, for some of her traits are those who were Melkor's in the beginning. She has pledged herself to Saruman, in exchange for the safety of her family and that fealty weights on her and will weight heavier if she is forced to take arms against her people. You know it won't be the case, but she doesn't as she herself defended her house against Dunlendings raids in some occasions. Still she recognizes that, against the tide that descends from the mountains, Rohan needs all the help it can get.

Where these Orcs come from, you know all too well. The war between them and the dwarves has driven them from their mountain's fastnesses. They think that in the lowlands and the plains, the dread Khazad won't follow them. It was a successful plan and indeed they roam the plains and have even threatened the capital until King Brytta made a fighting retreat for Helm's Deep. There he plans to let them break against the walls until winter come and then strike them as they are weakened by the cold.

[] Write-in (If not the council will proceeds)
 
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