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A Heretek on the Quest for Knowledge [40k] [Complete]

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ninjafish said:
Well your magos is a xenophile.
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I should note that he isn't literally a xenophile.
ninjafish said:
and the only thing xeno-anything is good for is burning.
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Or for stealing their tech, or turning them into servitors, or for genetically creating a human-xenos hybrid for SCIENCE! or for performing a brain transplant between a human and a xenos! (can a human brain an orc body control orcs?)

Do you not want a human webway? an imperial cruiser with wraithbone adamantium and ceramite composites? Enslaving (instead of exterminating) petty xeno empires? Stealing tau tech? hitching a ride on rogue trader to get to some new xeno species and steal their unique racial tech?

Also, I would prefer literally any other option rather than super boring mcboringsguy the loyalist who isn't even a real heretek
 
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Good thing he's not going to last long with this set of traits. Outspoken AND arrogant!
 
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mrttao said:
I should note that he isn't literally a xenophile.

Or for stealing their tech, or turning them into servitors, or for genetically creating a human-xenos hybrid for SCIENCE! or for performing a brain transplant between a human and a xenos! (can a human brain an orc body control orcs?)

Do you not want a human webway? an imperial cruiser with wraithbone adamantium and ceramite composites? Enslaving (instead of exterminating) petty xeno empires? Stealing tau tech? hitching a ride on rogue trader to get to some new xeno species and steal their unique racial tech?

Also, I would prefer literally any other option rather than super boring mcboringsguy the loyalist who isn't even a real heretek
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Humans can do webway without xeno nonsense.

Dark Glass is proof enough of that.

Who needs slavery when you can build robots instead?

Tau tech is worthless compared to Archeotech.

Wraithbone is eldar only, and requires a species worth of stable psykers to produce in any meaningful capacity.

Last time someone went and hybridized humans with Xeno's ended with Legienstrausse.

and that was terrible.

i'd rather not play an idiot who does stupid shit like that.
 
ninjafish said:
Humans can do webway without xeno nonsense.
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No they can't. Also, even if human could, there is no archetech basis for it and as such it is tech heresy, specifically xenotech heresy because it is specifically a technology invented by aliens and not by DAOT humans.
Also, studying it would fall under xenotech skill, not archeotech or imperial tech
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Dark Glass is proof enough of that.
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what?
ninjafish said:
Who needs slavery when you can build robots instead?
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killjoy
ninjafish said:
Tau tech is worthless compared to Archeotech.
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Tao skim the warp without entering it, making their hyperdrive perfectly safe from demons
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Wraithbone is eldar only
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I don't think you quite grasp this whole xenotech heresy thing
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and requires a species worth of stable psykers to produce in any meaningful capacity.
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We could get on that.
ninjafish said:
Last time someone went and hybridized humans with Xeno's ended with Legienstrausse.
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That was a dumb project with dumb design and dumb goals. This is like arguing against genetically engineering healthier pigs because some idiot once decided to genetically engineer super aids which he then released to the public due to being an incompetent moron
 
mrttao said:
No they can't. Also, even if human could, there is no archetech basis for it and as such it is tech heresy, specifically xenotech heresy because it is specifically a technology invented by aliens and not by DAOT humans.
Also, studying it would fall under xenotech skill, not archeotech or imperial tech

what?

killjoy

Tao skim the warp without entering it, making their hyperdrive perfectly safe from demons

I don't think you quite grasp this whole xenotech heresy thing

We could get on that.

That was a dumb project with dumb design and dumb goals. This is like arguing against genetically engineering healthier pigs because some idiot once decided to genetically engineer super aids which he then released to the public due to being an incompetent moron
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Dark glass was a DAoT space station that, with the assistance of a sufficiently powerful psyker, could be used to enter and use the web way.

Unfortunately it got blown up by agents of the navis novilite (traitorous mutant scum)
 
mrttao said:
That is not creating a human webway, it is entering the eldar's webway.
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The old ones made the webway, not the eldar.

And there is nothing left of them to study.

Besides there's no need to build a new one we just need to clear out the old one.

Besides I doubt making a webway is even something we could do.
 
ninjafish said:
The old ones made the webway, not the eldar.
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I literally said so two posts ago.
However, it is now the eldar's webway.
And emps was trying to create a human webway as per latest retcon

ninjafish said:
No it's not, your just gonna make everything worse.
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not really. xenotech actually has a chance of making humanity great again.
Just the warp engines of the tau could completely revolutionize the imperium!
They need no navigators, nor the astronomicon, nor geller fields since they skim the warp on the outside.

Vote Tally : A Heretek on the Quest for Knowledge [40k] | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4
[X] Plan Sane Magos
No. of Votes: 9
Plan: ◈Sane Magos
Alphawolf79
ClawClawBite
Derek58
edboy49
Gamefreak1ed
ninjafish
Senjuminato
StarkDemise
Void Stalker
[X] Plan Heretek is for the weak
[X] 32k
[X] RUNEPRIEST (gain +10 Imperial tech , 10 research)
[X] MAGOS (gain 1 additional specialty)
[X] MAGOS ADPARATIO (gain +30 crafting skill, +15 plasma tech, +15 power weapon tech)
[X] INFOWARFARE (gain 20 hacking)
[X] ARCHEOTECH (gain 10 archeotech skill)
[X] FOUND ARCHEOTECH (SEE REPORT AK47-WPC-3) (gain 'lucky' trait)
[X] INSUFFICIENT ORTHODOXY (gain 'outspoken' trait)
[X] Y
-[x] created this laspistole from nothing but your own theories, your own research. It's worse than any pattern you've ever seen, perhaps the worst laspistole you've ever laid eyes on. But it's yours.
No. of Votes: 4
Plan: ◈Heretek is for the weak
Eurocorp
leap
Night_stalker
WorthyStranger
[x] Plan Xenophile
-[x] INDUCTED IN 41k
-[x] RUNEPRIEST (gain +10 Imperial tech , 10 research)
-[x] GENETOR (gain 15 Biologis skill)
-[x] MAGOS ERRANT (gain +60 Imperial tech, +25 repair, +15 xenotech, +15 diplomacy)
-[x] XENOTECH (gain 10 xenotech skill)
-[x] APPRECIATION FOR KNOWLEDGE (gain 'archivar' trait)
-[x] UNWARRANTED APPRECIATION OF SELF (gain 'arrogant' trait)
-[x] studied and used xenotech. Ok, it's a recaf dispenser, and you suspect it's based rather closely on the imperial 'Tchibo' STC schematic. It's still good, heretekical stuff. (gain +15 research, +15 xenotech, +5 Imperial tech, 'Sin of the Xenos' , one pretty decent recaf dispenser)
No. of Votes: 2
Plan: ◈Xenophile
mrttao
paintedspear
[x] Plan: Magos Errant Daedalus
-[x] RECLAIMATOR (gain +10 repair, 5 research, +5 Imperial tech)
-[x] ARTISAN (gain 30 craft skill)
-[x] MAGOS ERRANT (gain +60 Imperial tech, +25 repair, +15 xenotech, +15 diplomacy)
-[X] CRAFTING (gain +20 crafting)
-[X] INSPIRED CRAFTSMANSHIP (gain 'inspiration' trait)
-[X] UNWARRANTED APPRECIATION OF SELF (gain 'arrogant' trait)
-[X] Y
-[X] created this laspistole from nothing but your own theories, your own research. It's worse than any pattern you've ever seen, perhaps the worst laspistole you've ever laid eyes on. But it's yours.
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈Magos Errant Daedalus
Silver719
[X] Plan Innovation
-[X] ENGINSEER (gain +20 Imperial tech, +10 combat, +5 repair)
-[X] MAGOS (gain 1 additional specialty)
-[X] MAGOS ERRANT (gain +60 Imperial tech, +25 repair, +15 xenotech, +15 diplomacy)
-[X] ARCHEOTECH (gain 10 archeotech skill)
-[X] CRAFTING (gain +20 crafting)
-[X] FOUND ARCHEOTECH (SEE REPORT AK47-WPC-3) (gain 'lucky' trait)
-[X] INSPIRED CRAFTSMANSHIP (gain 'inspiration' trait)
-[X] APPRECIATION FOR KNOWLEDGE (gain 'archivar' trait)
-[X] CONTINUOUSLY SURPASSED EXPECTATIONS (gain 'genius' trait, cost 2 flaws)
-[X] IMPROPER TREATMENT OF MENIALS (gain 'compassionate' trait)
-[X] RISK OF ASSET LOSS (gain 'reckless' trait)
-[X]INSUFFICIENT ORTHODOXY (gain 'outspoken' trait)
-[X] UNMET PRODUCTION QUOTAS (gain 'procrastinator' trait)
-[X] LACKING THEOLOGICAL REFINEMENT (gain 'crude' trait)
-[X] Y
-[X] created this laspistole from nothing but your own theories, your own research. It's worse than any pattern you've ever seen, perhaps the worst laspistole you've ever laid eyes on. But it's yours.
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈Innovation
useofstrike32
[X] PLAN MAD HOARDER
-[X] RECLAIMATOR (gain +10 repair, 5 research, +5 Imperial tech)
-[X] MAGOS (gain 1 additional specialty)
-[X] MAGOS ERRANT (gain +60 Imperial tech, +25 repair, +15 xenotech, +15 diplomacy)
-[X] ARCHEOTECH (gain 10 archeotech skill)
-[X] THEOLOGY (gain 20 politics skill)
-[X] CONTINUOUSLY SURPASSED EXPECTATIONS (gain 'genius' trait, cost 2 flaws)
-[X] 1pt ENORMOUS (MEASURED IN KILOTONNES) HOARD OF UNFITTING SPARE PARTS, BROKEN MACHINES, YET UNAPPARAISED SALVAGE, AND OTHER THINGS MOST ADEPTUS THINK ARE TRASH BUT YOU'LL SHOW THEM
-[X] UNWARRANTED APPRECIATION OF SELF (gain 'arrogant' trait)
-[X] FREQUENT SENSOR ERRORS (gain 'insane' trait, counts as 2 flaws)
-[X] N
-[X] enslaved a machine spirit.
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈MAD HOARDER
vsh
[X] Plan Riggnarock T1
[X] 32k (gain 10 Imperial tech, 5 repair, 5 combat, -5 diplomacy)
[X] RUNEPRIEST (gain +10 Imperial tech , 10 research)
[X] MAGOS (gain 1 additional specialty)
[X] MAGOS EXPLORATOR (gain +20 archeotech, +10 xenotech, +25 combat)
[X] XENOTECH (gain 10 xenotech skill)
[X] ARCHEOTECH (gain 10 archeotech skill)
[X] PROVEN STABILITY (SEE REPORT LBIE-4157-AA) (gain 'unbreakable will' trait)
[X] CONTINUED ASSET VIABILITY AGAINST EXPECTIATION (gain 'survivor' trait)
[X] FOUND ARCHEOTECH (SEE REPORT AK47-WPC-3) (gain 'lucky' trait)
[X] APPRECIATION FOR KNOWLEDGE (gain 'archivar' trait)
[X] CONTINUOUSLY SURPASSED EXPECTATIONS (gain 'genius' trait, cost 2 flaws)
[X] IMPROPER TREATMENT OF MENIALS (gain 'compassionate' trait)
[X]INSUFFICIENT ORTHODOXY (gain 'outspoken' trait)
[X] LACKING THEOLOGICAL REFINEMENT (gain 'crude' trait)
[X] UNWARRANTED APPRECIATION OF SELF (gain 'arrogant' trait)
[X] FREQUENT SENSOR ERRORS (gain 'insane' trait, counts as 2 flaws)
[X] Y
[X] Created this laspistole from nothing but your own theories, your own research. It's worse than any pattern you've ever seen, perhaps the worst laspistole you've ever laid eyes on. But it's yours.
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈Riggnarock T1
Riggnarock
Total No. of Voters: 19
Lots of plans with only 1 vote
I was looking to switch from my plan to something else that opposed plane sane. but apparently nope, none available that aren't even lower than xenophile.
 
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Riggnarock said:
Edit: for some reason a 2nd spoiler keeps being placed in my post.

I am unable to fix it as it keeps coming back when I delete it.
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Clearly, you have angered the machine spirit.
Silver719 said:
[x] Plan: Magos Errant Daedalus
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I like this one. Might just use him as a side character, if he doesn't get chosen.
mrttao said:
currently sane magos is winning... but it is such a boring super sane super stable magos.
His heresy doesn't even really count
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Anybody with four flaws cannot be called sane. With the current combination (and the complete lack of diplomacy), you'll be in huge trouble every time you talk to somebody with a higher rank. So don't worry, there'll be fun times ahead.

@Void Stalker Since your plan seems to be winning, do you want to add some backstory?
 
BurnNote said:
Anybody with four flaws cannot be called sane. With the current combination (and the complete lack of diplomacy), you'll be in huge trouble every time you talk to somebody with a higher rank. So don't worry, there'll be fun times ahead.
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You know what, I didn't even consider it. This is gonna be hilarious. Thank you.

wait, extreme anti diplomacy as well as laser savant... we are gonna be playing as latminus expy!
 
I've filled in the rule section and some of the skill descriptions. I have to go now, but I'll be back in a few hours to do the rest. Unless there's been a major shift till then, I'll also call the vote.
 
BurnNote said:
Clearly, you have angered the machine spirit.

I like this one. Might just use him as a side character, if he doesn't get chosen.

Anybody with four flaws cannot be called sane. With the current combination (and the complete lack of diplomacy), you'll be in huge trouble every time you talk to somebody with a higher rank. So don't worry, there'll be fun times ahead.

@Void Stalker Since your plan seems to be winning, do you want to add some backstory?
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Can I get a description on the compassionate trait.

My thoughts right now are that he is a natural genius who has a love of both research and lastech in particular. Of course he wants to make things better for everyone (compassionate) but he just thinks everyone should do as he says since he knows better (arrogant and genius). Due to this and his negative diplo score he does not get promoted as quick as he feels he should (or for that matter would if he had a bit of diplomacy) and due to this is unlikely to respect his superiors (disrespectful) and tends to state what he thinks since it is obviously the right solution (outspoken). Of course despite people holding him back his natural genius forces them to promote him. No this has nothing to do with the fact he found non corrupted STCs at a higher rate than anyone else as an explorer (lucky).
 
Void Stalker said:
Can I get a description on the compassionate trait.

My thoughts right now are that he is a natural genius who has a love of both research and lastech in particular. Of course he wants to make things better for everyone (compassionate) but he just thinks everyone should do as he says since he knows better (arrogant and genius). Due to this and his negative diplo score he does not get promoted as quick as he feels he should (or for that matter would if he had a bit of diplomacy) and due to this is unlikely to respect his superiors (disrespectful) and tends to state what he thinks since it is obviously the right solution (outspoken). Of course despite people holding him back his natural genius forces them to promote him. No this has nothing to do with the fact he found non corrupted STCs at a higher rate than anyone else as an explorer (lucky).
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It's important to remember that it's a flaw, and not just because this is 40k. He'd be compassionate in really dumb ways, or in really bad situations. Letting a cultist live, because it's not absolutely clear he's beyond redemption (he wouldn't let him go, but throwing him in a dark hole wouldn't be compassionate either). Holding off on the order to fire, because maybe those pirates aren't pirates and just want to admire the ship from up close. This is not enlightened desire to help his fellow man, it's something more atavistic, stupid and frankly selfish.
It'll give you hard caps on combat, politics, and similar things, and it means you won't be able to run dangerous experiments unless you're doing the dangerous stuff yourself, or you spent a lot of effort on making them safer.

Also, on lucky: He found one STC, and it wasn't even anything particularly good (a stubber longarm). He just found it in the archives of his forgeworld where it really shouldn't have been, through a series of strange coincidences.
 
Oh... then toss out compassionate and replace it with something else.

anything that overly hinders SCIENCE! must go.
 
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