7th Time Loop (Anime Thread)

So, the first epsiode of this has aired, so I thought I best post a discussion thread. Note that there are spoilers for the first episode below.

All discussion I've seen of this has focused on the "Villainess" subtitle, so I suppose I ought to correct that. This story has very little to do with the common Villainess genre that has been popular (like Bakarina). I suspect the subtitle was added as a marketing ploy to get more readers.

First of all, this is not an isekai story, there is no game knowledge or anything like that. The only villainess element is that our female lead, as the daughter of a duke, was betrothed to her country's crown prince, and he dumps her for her "villainess ways" in favor of another woman. (Obviously this story recognizes that many of the "villainess" of otome games are hardly villainous in their opposition to the other woman trying to steal their fiancee). However, the story rapidly leaves that behind, as our female protagonist Rishe has no time for this nonsense, she has her 7th life to prepare for.

Yes, that's the important part of the title: 7th Time Loop. Rishe is caught up in a time loop situation where at the moment of her death she returns to the past just at the time when the crown prince breaks her engagement, and banishes her from the country. She has also discovered that it is quite difficult to replay out the same events from previous lives and so has decided to stop trying to do so. The one constant that always happens, is that eventually the Crown Prince of another country, Prince Arnold Hein, murders his father, declares himself Emperor, and then proceeds on a war of conquest that inevitably results in her death (directly or indirectly) approximately five years since the time her engagement is broken.

This has started to frustrate her, as no matter what she does, she keeps on dying every five years. But no time to worry about that right now, since she has learned that every time she goes back in time she has only briefest window to return home and gather her things before being thrown out of the country, and if she doesn't have money to start her new life with things tend to become difficult, and she wants to take it easy this time.

That's how the books start, and the first episode does give us this same information, but makes the interesting choice to start not with the beginning of her 7th time loop, but with the final moments of her 6th time loop. I think this is a very good decision for the medium, the emotional weight of having a sword stabbed through your heart and then suddenly being five years in the past at the time your fiance denounces you is much better experienced this way. Not to mention it gives even more wieght to how strange her 7th life becomes when Prince Arnold Hein does this:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKhJcFZronQ

And so this life Rishe looks to remain a noble lady for the first time in all her previous lives.

This is looking to be an interesting adaptation, and I think a lot of people will enjoy it. I'll repeat that there are no isekai elements. Rishe has no modern knowledge to help her. What she does have are the broad strokes of what will happen in the next five years, and more importantly, all the skills she learned during her past lives as a commoner. So rather than a "modern ideas revolutionize the medieval world" element that you get in isekai, instead it's more of "the prospective of a commoner allows a noble lady to be a better noble." Which is a moral I can get behind.

It also has a lot of the "bad boy" and "I can fix him" romance, though since there are time shenanigans involved it's more of "How can I stop him from being broken in the first place" than anything else. There is also a mystery element to it, as Rishe tries to figure out how the Prince Hein she has met in her 7th life, could ever become the Emperor Hein that kills her in her 6th.

I encourage everyone to check it out, based on what I know of the books, this story probably will need three episodes before you really get an idea of what it's going to be like, though I do think the first episode ought to catch people's interest.
 
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Three episodes are now out and I think that people watching ought to get at least a feeling for what the show is going to be like.

People are watching right? Throw a comment up with your thoughts if you are.

First episode really set up the premise well, and I really like how it's making clear that Rishe is still emotionally effected by being killed in her 6th life. She's definitely a reason over emotions character, but that doesn't mean she can just turn her feelings off. She still has those emotions, she's just forcing herself to ignore them.

This was particularly clear in the dance scene. I've seen people compare it to the Frieren dance scene (between Fern and Stark), and I have to admit I prefer the Frieren scene, but that's because they serve different purposes. In Frieren it's all about two young people awkwardly entering adulthood together, and realizing there is more to each other than their daily interactions as adventurers. In 7th Time Loop, the dance scene was more a struggle for dominance. "Violent," is the word I'd use to describe their dance together, as it was pretty much Rishe trying to challenge Arnold for dominance, and Arnold overpowering her while finding it amusing.

That doesn't sound healthy, and it's not. It's a good contrast to events during the second episode when Arnold and Rishe cooperated together, and how well they fit together. Rishe also tends to unbalance Arnold and take the lead when she pursuing her own thoughts and interests instead of competing with him. It's a real interesting dynamic.

There are quite a few "I can fix him" vibes as Rishe starts to peel back the mysterious background of Arnold, but I like it lot more than the usual fare. This show seems to be taking things more seriously compared to typical shoujo tropes.

The side story about Rishe and the maids is also very interesting, as the setup seems to be that the arrogant experienced maid is going to be taken down a peg in favor of the innocent rookies. Instead we get a lot more nuance. At the confrontation scene we see that the experienced maid was being much nicer to the rookies than she was treated when she was a rookie. However, due to her own assumptions about them that was still treating the rookie maids badly, because they weren't in the same situation as she was when she started. It's a good point that we too often assume that other people are like us when trying to empathize, and then get frustrated when they don't behave as we would in that situation. Well... yeah, we aren't the same people, of course they will act differently.

I'd like to know if anyone else has some thoughts?
 
I admit a problem I have is I prefer the light novels much more thus far, so while I would love to talk about the series, I'll end up posting entirely in spoiler blocks.
 
Watched the first two, it looks decent. I like that she retains skills from her earlier loops, so she's a good medic, has merchant skills and is a swordswoman
 
The light novels only first mentions the fifth life in the third volume, and only as a brief aside. So I'm really not sure if the anime will ever reach that point in the story.

Which does make the appearance of all the lives in the opening a bit of a spoiler, but maybe they wanted to do it for completion's sake.
 
It feels very particular that the fifth life is skipped. And the outfit definitely made me think burglar. The classy kind that steals crown jewels to pay for orphanages. Though some sort of ranger is another possibility.
 
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The fifth life being skipped is weird.

It's weird, because the way it's presented in the light novels, there was no reason for the fifth life to be skipped, and indeed when it's revealed, it's presented as just "by the way, if the reader didn't already know". It's as casual a reveal as the bit in the opening.

The only spoiler is that the fifth life profession is named, because it's a text medium. The name is also just as casually dropped as "in my first life, I was a merchant"; it's not treated as a major revelation at all.

So I have no idea how weighty the anime wants to make that reveal. The entire thing is treated in the narrative as "oh, did I forget to mention it? Anyway, now you know".

The potential spoiler is mainly in the presentation of the reveal, rather than the reveal itself.
 
Not following the novels, is it possible the author initially left the 5th life out as an escape clause?

Something that they could fill in later if they wrote themselves into a corner?

It's possible, but by the third volume, evidently that hypothetical escape clause has been used, and in a way that makes it seem like that fifth life reveal has been planned since the beginning.

As in by the time the fifth life profession is named, the reader can look back and find all the stuff that Rishe did which that life taught her. It's just that the fifth life profession was not named until that third volume, unlike the second Apothecary life or the fourth Lady's Maid life, which were named immediately after Rishe displayed the relevant skills (particularly lockpicking for the Lady's Maid life).

The fourth volume of the light novel deals extensively with the fifth life. So if it was indeed an escape clause, that would mean the author had decided upon the fourth volume's story arc by the middle of the third volume.
 
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