Paths of Civilization

ThrawnCA · Nov 23, 2017

notgreat said:
We're taking 1 Stability hit minimum from starvation. Mass Levy must be stopped. We can't afford to get the government upgrade.

The existing plan of integrating Txolla should handle this.

[] [Main] Integrate Txolla
[] [Secondary] Great Dam
[] [Secondary] Great Dam x2
[] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[] [Secondary] Restoration of Order
[][Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall Expansion
[][Secondary] Retraining
[][Guild] Docks
[][Guild] Docks
[][Guild Secondary] Docks

drake_azathoth · Nov 23, 2017

As ruinous as leaving the HK alive could be from a military standpoint, I worry that our heir is overlooking the real threat due to poor Mystic stat.

They are now religious fanatics. They could easily continue to foment religious schism in the lowlands every turn they are even existent nearby. I definitely see their religion as the main problem.

notgreat · Nov 23, 2017

ThrawnCA said:
The existing plan of integrating Txolla should handle this.

That plan literally kills us from starvation stability losses. We were expecting at least 10 econ, not 4.

ctulhuslp · Nov 23, 2017

Academia Nut said:
Patricians: Too bad, best budget it anyway!

@BungieONI , patricians are hijacking Annex if we do not build it.
Or we can support Patricians I guess.

Abby Normal · Nov 23, 2017

@Academia Nut

Academia Nut said:
Economy 4/27 (+7) [+5-0]

Should be 5-1 for the projected income/expenses; we have 1 city support up, and the free cities cost 5 econ total now (redshore is 3, other two are 1 each)

Academia Nut said:
+6 Markets

Should only be 4 now since only redshore's market is active now

Academia Nut said:
Culture 27/27 [+6]

Should be 5, unless you decided to change how level 2+ cities interact with free city or games culture gain: 3 (Free Cities) + 1.5 (Cities + games) + 1 (Market in redshore) = 5.5 -> 5

Academia Nut said:
Tech 27/27 (+1) [+1-2]

Should be [1-1], only one city support

Academia Nut said:
Defence (+1 significant walls/turn) x1
Special: Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates) x1

You removed the bolding, but not the x1 on these now inactive policies.

Academia Nut said:
Ironworks [Guilds] - Huge, centralized centers of iron production, these facilities make high quality iron tools cheaper and more widely available. Every facility adds +1 Econ, -1 EE, -1 Tech to the Expand Economy action. Level 2 and higher also increase the effect of Agriculture and City Support policies at the cost of additional Tech. Level 3 increases City Maintenance by 1 Econ a turn, but produces 1 Tech/turn and changes certain action costs. Each level increases City Attraction by 1. Every {S} cost 3 Econ and 3 Tech for 3 progress, and each completed level of Ironworks also consume an additional 2 sustainable forest. Valleyhome (0/3), Redshore (0/9), Redhills (MP), Blackmouth (0/3)

To clarify, if (when) the policies build the level 3 one, all three levels of bonuses get applied again, right? So it would add another +1 E/-1 EE/-1 T to Expand econ, another set of affects to agricultre and city support, and the new level 3 ones?

(Also redshore doesn't have a level 3 aqueduct listed as an option)

Academia Nut said:
Failure: -1 Stability

Priests and Guilds should both have their failures crossed out.

Also for anyone wondering, we got a major upgrade, with bolt throwers turning into:

Academia Nut said:
Ranged
Ballistae

Orisha91 · Nov 23, 2017

[X] [Marriage] From the Storm Ymaryn to gain an alliance

Andres · Nov 23, 2017

@Academia Nut, which marriage option will result in the least chance of someone using their relation to Alyxunmyn to try and claim the Ymaryn throne with war?

notgreat · Nov 23, 2017

@Academia Nut
Just to be certain, if the Dam can't be built due to lacking econ, will Megaproject Support spam as many Expand Econ actions as it can?
edit: If we Support Faction - Patricians, will they still demand the annex immediately?

[X] [Marriage] From the Storm Ymaryn to gain an alliance
We need to prevent the econ loss from refugees running to them.

[X] [Main] War Mission - HK
[X] [Secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject Support
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order x2
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - HK
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - HK x2
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Gymnasium
[X] [Guild Secondary] Survey Lands

BungieONI · Nov 23, 2017

Hmmm.

[] [Main] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[] [Secondary] Switch Policy - Megaproject Support
[] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall
[] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders
[] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders x2
[] [Secondary] Restore Order
[] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[] [Guild] Build Mills
[] [Guild] Build Mills
[] [Guild Secondary] Build Docks

[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty
[X] [Marriage] From the Storm Ymaryn to gain an alliance

Ahah! So we spend ourselves 3 Econ, and the provinces have nothing left to spend so they take lots of Expand Econ and one Dam action putting us at -1 Econ. We spend 16 wealth and then 2 more on the Dam.

HeWhoAdds · Nov 23, 2017

BungieONI said:
[] [Main] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[] [Secondary] Switch Policy - Offensive
[] [Secondary] Retraining
[] [Secondary] Dam
[] [Secondary] Dam x2
[] [Secondary] Restore Order
[] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[] [Guild] Build Mills
[] [Guild] Build Docks
[] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills

[] [Main] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[] [Secondary] Switch Policy - Offensive
[] [Secondary] Retraining
[] [Secondary] Dam
[] [Secondary] Dam x2
[] [Secondary] Restore Order
[] [Secondary] Support Patricians
[] [Guild] Build Mills
[] [Guild] Survey
[] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills

This would drop the Econ expenses down to -3, and stop the patricians from hijacking a secondary and starving us.

Andres · Nov 23, 2017

@Academia Nut, since we're in a gilded age, shouldn't we have a megaproject track?

ThrawnCA · Nov 23, 2017

BungieONI said:
[] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders
[] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders x2

Will that really be enough to take the Highlanders out?

BlueFlamingWings · Nov 23, 2017

Our Martial Genuis is up to the fight, but his troops aren't fresh.

agumentic · Nov 23, 2017

Andres110 said:
@Academia Nut, since we're in a gilded age, shouldn't we have a megaproject track?

Midturn.

guyfromtheplace1 · Nov 23, 2017

Hey @Academia Nut, if we integrate the Txolla, can we leave their city under their control as a free city? As kind of a variant on the propagate option.

ThrawnCA · Nov 24, 2017

HeWhoAdds said:
[] [Main] Integrate Colony - Txolla

If you're doing multiple mills plus retraining, does this really need to be a main? Or could it be just a secondary?

Academia Nut · Nov 24, 2017

Abby Normal said:
To clarify, if (when) the policies build the level 3 one, all three levels of bonuses get applied again, right? So it would add another +1 E/-1 EE/-1 T to Expand econ, another set of affects to agricultre and city support, and the new level 3 ones?

This is correct.

And thanks everyone for pointing out errors.

Andres110 said:
@Academia Nut, since we're in a gilded age, shouldn't we have a megaproject track?

That will become possible to take later.

thatguy said:
Hey @Academia Nut, if we integrate the Txolla, can we leave their city under their control as a free city? As kind of a variant on the propagate option.

Since its not a True City, no.

BungieONI · Nov 24, 2017

HeWhoAdds said:
[] [Main] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[] [Secondary] Switch Policy - Offensive
[] [Secondary] Retraining
[] [Secondary] Dam
[] [Secondary] Dam x2
[] [Secondary] Restore Order
[] [Secondary] Support Patricians
[] [Guild] Build Mills
[] [Guild] Survey
[] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills

This would drop the Econ expenses down to -3, and stop the patricians from hijacking a secondary and starving us.

AHAHA!

I think I have it now!

[X] [Main] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[X] [Secondary] Switch Policy - Megaproject Support
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders x2
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild Secondary] Survey Lands

[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty
[X] [Marriage] From the Storm Ymaryn to gain an alliance

This way we spend -2 Econ ourselves, leaving the Provinces with 2. They spend all of that and we are at 0, then they take a whole bunch of Expand Econs. They will have 5 secondaries to use on it, which is 30 Economy and ten tech, which means we overflow into wealth by 3 and don't get much of it refunded. Plus Mills Main is 4 Econ so we get 38 Econ which means we don't get almost any refunded Expansion. If we replace something with an Expand Econ Secondary we for sure get below 20 Expansion even if we integrate Txolla.

Abby Normal · Nov 24, 2017

@Academia Nut we should have 1 progress towards priest quest already from the festival we just did. Also, market income should be 4 with only redshore's active, with total income needing to be updated as well (for that matter i think it currently gives +8 when its actually +9?)

That said, i'm tired so i'll look at the econ and martial math and shit tomorrow

For now, diffs:

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ThrawnCA · Nov 24, 2017

BungieONI said:
[] [Main] Integrate Colony - Txolla

Does this still need to be a Main? If it can be secondary, then RO could become a main, which would be helpful.

Killer_Whale · Nov 24, 2017

[X] [Main] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[X] [Secondary] Switch Policy - Megaproject Support
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders x2
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Gymnasium
[X] [Guild Secondary] Survey Lands

[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty

HeWhoAdds · Nov 24, 2017

BungieONI said:
This way we spend -2 Econ ourselves, leaving the Provinces with 2. They spend all of that and we are at 0, then they take a whole bunch of Expand Econs. They will have 5 secondaries to use on it, which is 30 Economy and ten tech, which means we overflow into wealth by 3 and don't get it refunded. Plus Mills Main is 4 Econ so we get 38 Econ which means we don't get almost any refunded Expansion. If we replace something with an Expand Econ Secondary we for sure get below 20 Expansion even if we integrate Txolla.

First of all: you're a genius.

Second: how comfortable would you be swapping out the EJ action for an expand econ?

BungieONI · Nov 24, 2017

HeWhoAdds said:
First of all: you're a genius.

Second: how comfortable would you be swapping out the EJ action for an expand econ?

Not really, I'd rather swap the RO.

Also I am not a genius, I just feed on other people and am desperate.

ThrawnCA · Nov 24, 2017

HeWhoAdds said:
Second: how comfortable would you be swapping out the EJ action for an expand econ?

Probably not. The provinces can and will do that. Stability will be really important, and Centralization won't hurt when integrating the Txolla (5 provinces) either.

Deathbybunnies · Nov 24, 2017

@Academia Nut did we get any Legacies for ROFLstomping the Forhuch so hard? That was a pretty sweet perfect storm of crits and an Avatar of War...

Paths of Civilization

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High Clerk of the Ymaryn

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High Clerk of the Ymaryn

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