Crusader Kings: A Byzantium Quest

Achaia is the Peloponnese.
and bononia is Bulgaria,
So basically the Byzantine South/West hate our guts and once we no longer have to deal with an invading polity to our west we'll probably want to break them up into smaller vassals that can't threaten us.

Also, for clarity's sake, the Bulgaria below yes?


Because Hadrianopolis and Tarnovo are ruled by the Doukas.
 
If we focus the Emperor's eyes on Anatolia later, what are the odds that the European Themes are going to start backing pretenders?
 
So basically the Byzantine South/West hate our guts and once we no longer have to deal with an invading polity to our west we'll probably want to break them up into smaller vassals that can't threaten us.

Also, for clarity's sake, the Bulgaria below yes?


Because Hadrianopolis and Tarnovo are ruled by the Doukas.

looks about right. Bononia was the diocese of Vidin, so the above Bulgaria would fit the description.

from wiki:
"The city of Bononia lay within the ancient Roman province of Dacia Ripensis. Under its present name of Vidin, it is part of Bulgaria.

It was important enough to become a suffragan bishopric of the Metropolitan Archbishop of the provincial capital Raziaria. The Latin adjective by which the diocese is referred to is Bononiensis."
 
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If we focus the Emperor's eyes on Anatolia later, what are the odds that the European Themes are going to start backing pretenders?
Many in the Western and Southern portions of our European Themes do not like us.

So odds are fairly high unless we can shift the power towards more loyal Themes(possibly in Anatolia, possibly in the North), towards the Emperor or get a foreign beatstick in the form of a united Rus polity to the North.
That, or hope appeasing these Byzantine politicians is a lasting solution.
 
[X] Plan Imperial Future
-[X] The Turks
-[X] The Varangians
-[X] Micheal Doukas
-[X] The Silk Quarter
-[X] The Norman Lords
-[X] The Army
 
[] The Turks: The Turkish Sultanate of Rum, masters of Anatolia after the Turkish conquests a decade ago, are the Empire's most immediate rival in the east. But the Turkish sultan, Suleyman, is in open secession against the Seljuq Empire in Persia, and a Norman invasion on his western borders might cause his realm to collapse. Allying with him could bring victory against the Norman enemy, but, as your mother says, what of the cost in the future?
I believe this is the concession most easiest to make back. With this, even if we lose land to the Turks, we can both earn it back later and still have the Greeks within their borders to help us out. The Latin path potentially takes out our main economic advantage against our neighbors while also synergizing negatively with improving the silk quarters. The Dynatoi path only empowers our already disloyal vassals while risking the loss of our weaker vassals, thus upsetting the internal balance. That's not to say of the dangers of the precedent set by asking the Dynatoi to help.
While no doubt forming an army of our own people seems an easy choice at first look, it is better to look at the historical situation behind each of the options. The Varangians are made up of what are not only recognized as the fiercest warriors of the area, they were initially created to avoid the problem of local warriors getting involved in court politics and overthrowing the emperor. We DO NOT want to repeat the mistakes of the old emperors with their praetorian guard. While we will undoubtedly have some difficulty integrating them into our main command structure, the Varangians will prove to be the easiest to keep loyal and the best for our buck seeing as how many would already have training fighting. They would mostly need discipline. As for the Vardaratoi option, that would likely be the second best option. They are the "middle-path" option in that they are blank-slates. There is really not that much to be said for or against of them.
While I really hate the potential for continuing a tradition of nepotism here, it is unfortunately necessary to cement our internal power against the other powerful families within the empire. The Tatikios option would be favorable would it not be a slap in the face to every single noble in the land, and possibly cause disorder in the ranks. The Mother option will make us look weak and contribute to nepotism without any real long-term benefit that is not already covered by Michael.
This is for the best long-term, seeing as how it emphasizes our most important asset, as well as having the possibility of making the Latins even more reliant on us (thus perhaps being willing to help us for cheap rather than the large concessions now). If we need money in the future, we could possibly open up with the Doukoui as a last resort seeing as how we will already be appointing Michael. Borrowing from the Church is a bad idea in general. The only semblance of legitimacy currently holding the empire together is the emperor being both the secular and de facto religious leader. If we destroy that, the empire will fall into disarray.
This will ensure that we don't suffer another Norman problem until far into the future, if ever again. We don't want to anger the Turks seeing as how my plan has us allying with them. In fact, we may even manage to get Greeks into more places of power should relations become friendly enough. The Rus is a REALLY good option, but it is too long-term. We need to survive in the short-term in order to do something like that.
While I would personally prefer we spend time with the wife to deepen ties with the Doukoui and ensure the emperor doesn't die child-less, it is best we begin to consolidate our rule by ensuring the loyalty of the army first. The Alexiad is fine and all, but it is really not something for the "now" when we have just begun. It is likely just a book that will give us prestige and/or stat boosts for our ancestors anyhow.

@Telamon Will a companion ever have an opportunity to write the book instead of us? If I recall, it was the emperor's daughter who wrote the Alexiad.

[X] Plan Imperial Future
-[X] The Turks
-[X] The Varangians
-[X] Micheal Doukas
-[X] The Silk Quarter
-[X] The Norman Lords
-[X] The Army
 
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it's a bit odd that byzantine here is using the Latin name instead of the greek.

Well, firstly, that's the name of the CK2 Theme, and I pulled the names of the themes directly from the game, as Paradox has likely done more research into the naming and geographic placement of medieval Byzantine provinces than I could in a single Sunday afternoon.

Secondly, the Empire, like many of the Western European nations, used Latin as an administrative and 'official' language for many centuries, despite being throughly Hellenized.

I believe this is the concession most easiest to make back. With this, even if we lose land to the Turks, we can both earn it back later and still have the Greeks within their borders to help us out. The Latin path potentially takes out our main economic advantage against our neighbors while also synergizing negatively with improving the silk quarters. The Dynatoi path only empowers our already disloyal vassals while risking the loss of our weaker vassals, thus upsetting the internal balance. That's not to say of the dangers of the precedent set by asking the Dynatoi to help.

While no doubt forming an army of our own people seems an easy choice at first look, it is better to look at the historical situation behind each of the options. The Varangians are made up of what are not only recognized as the fiercest warriors of the area, they were initially created to avoid the problem of local warriors getting involved in court politics and overthrowing the emperor. We DO NOT want to repeat the mistakes of the old emperors with their praetorian guard. While we will undoubtedly have some difficulty integrating them into our main command structure, the Varangians will prove to be the easiest to keep loyal and the best for our buck seeing as how many would already have training fighting. They would mostly need discipline. As for the Vardaratoi option, that would likely be the second best option. They are the "middle-path" option in that they are blank-slates. There is really not that much to be said for or against of them.

While I really hate the potential for continuing a tradition of nepotism here, it is unfortunately necessary to cement our internal power against the other powerful families within the empire. The Tatikios option would be favorable would it not be a slap in the face to every single noble in the land, and possibly cause disorder in the ranks. The Mother option will make us look weak and contribute to nepotism without any real long-term benefit that is not already covered by Michael.

This is for the best long-term, seeing as how it emphasizes our most important asset, as well as having the possibility of making the Latins even more reliant on us (thus perhaps being willing to help us for cheap rather than the large concessions now). If we need money in the future, we could possibly open up with the Doukoui as a last resort seeing as how we will already be appointing Michael. Borrowing from the Church is a bad idea in general. The only semblance of legitimacy currently holding the empire together is the emperor being both the secular and de facto religious leader. If we destroy that, the empire will fall into disarray.

This will ensure that we don't suffer another Norman problem until far into the future, if ever again. We don't want to anger the Turks seeing as how my plan has us allying with them. In fact, we may even manage to get Greeks into more places of power should relations become friendly enough. The Rus is a REALLY good option, but it is too long-term. We need to survive in the short-term in order to do something like that.

While I would personally prefer we spend time with the wife to deepen ties with the Doukoui and ensure the emperor doesn't die child-less, it is best we begin to consolidate our rule by ensuring the loyalty of the army first. The Alexiad is fine and all, but it is really not something for the "now" when we have just begun. It is likely just a book that will give us prestige and/or stat boosts for our ancestors anyhow.

@Telamon Will a companion ever have an opportunity to write the book instead of us? If I recall, it was the emperor's daughter who wrote the Alexiad.

[X] Plan: Short-Term for Long-Term
-[X] The Turks
-[X] The Varangians
-[X] Micheal Doukas
-[X] The Silk Quarter
-[X]The Norman Lords
-[X]The Army

If your prestige is high enough at the time of your death and the Alexiad is unwritten, one of your children or close family members shall proceed to do so. Writing it yourself, however, will grant a large prestige bonus, as well as other bonuses I'll keep hidden for now.

And yes, IRL it was Alexios' daughter, Anna, who wrote the Alexiad after his death. The book is considered one of, if not the primary source on the Komnenian period, and, without fail, is the source of every event and character described in the Quest so far. It was Anna who wrote of the political struggles between the Doukai and the Dalassenoi, and of the brotherhood between Tatikios and the Emperor, as well as many details and facts that shed light on much of that period's history.
 
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Well, firstly, that's the name of the CK2 Theme, and I pulled the names of the themes directly from the game, as Paradox has likely done more research into the naming and geographic placement of medieval Byzantine provinces than I could in a single Sunday afternoon.
If it ever really bothers people that much, many Byzantine mods have extremely detailed de jure maps for the themes.
If your prestige is high enough at the time of your death and the Alexiad is unwritten, one of your children or close family members shall proceed to do so. Writing it yourself, however, will grant a large prestige bonus, as well as other bonuses I'll keep hidden for now.
Ah, thank you for clearing that up

For another question, if we decentralize enough, will the Pronoia be instituted?
 
If it ever really bothers people that much, many Byzantine mods have extremely detailed de jure maps for the themes.

Ah, thank you for clearing that up

For another question, if we decentralize enough, will the Pronoia be instituted?

The pronoia, along with several early reforms that the real-life Alexios instituted, will be some possible stewardship/military choices available when (and if) the Normans are repulsed.
 
I usually keep voting open until the next day, and since voting just opened less than six hours ago, I think until tomorrow is a safe bet, unless the votes overwhelmingly weigh in favor of a certain plan.
 
And yes, IRL it was Alexios' daughter, Anna, who wrote the Alexiad after his death. The book is considered one of, if not the primary source on the Komnenian period, and, without fail, is the source of every event and character described in the Quest so far. It was Anna who wrote of the political struggles between the Doukai and the Dalassenoi, and of the brotherhood between Tatikios and the Emperor, as well as many details and facts that shed light on much of that period's history.
She also write a bit about Bohemond, our rival norman prince :V

Now [Bohemond] was such as, to put it briefly, had never before been seen in the land of the Romans [that is, Greeks], be he either of the barbarians or of the Greeks (for he was a marvel for the eyes to behold, and his reputation was terrifying). Let me describe the barbarian's appearance more particularly – he was so tall in stature that he overtopped the tallest by nearly one cubit, narrow in the waist and loins, with broad shoulders and a deep chest and powerful arms. And in the whole build of the body he was neither too slender nor overweighted with flesh, but perfectly proportioned and, one might say, built in conformity with the canon of Polycleitus... His skin all over his body was very white, and in his face the white was tempered with red. His hair was yellowish, but did not hang down to his waist like that of the other barbarians; for the man was not inordinately vain of his hair, but had it cut short to the ears. Whether his beard was reddish, or any other colour I cannot say, for the razor had passed over it very closely and left a surface smoother than chalk... His blue eyes indicated both a high spirit and dignity; and his nose and nostrils breathed in the air freely; his chest corresponded to his nostrils and by his nostrils...the breadth of his chest. For by his nostrils nature had given free passage for the high spirit which bubbled up from his heart. A certain charm hung about this man but was partly marred by a general air of the horrible... He was so made in mind and body that both courage and passion reared their crests within him and both inclined to war. His wit was manifold and crafty and able to find a way of escape in every emergency. In conversation he was well informed, and the answers he gave were quite irrefutable. This man who was of such a size and such a character was inferior to the Emperor alone in fortune and eloquence and in other gifts of nature.
 
Tally:

With Hindsight - 7
Calculated Obligations - 9
Greek Snake - 7
plan lets do things via italy - 1
Imperial Future: 4
Adhoc vote count started by gutza1 on Sep 25, 2017 at 9:28 PM, finished with 158 posts and 28 votes.
 
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[X] Plan Greek snake.
-[X] The Turks
-[X] The Archontopouloi
-[X] Tatikios
-[X] The Silk Quarter
-[X] The Anatolian Lords
-[X] The Empress
Adhoc vote count started by gutza1 on Sep 25, 2017 at 9:28 PM, finished with 158 posts and 28 votes.
 
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[X] Plan Greek snake.
-[X] The Turks
-[X] The Archontopouloi
-[X] Tatikios
-[X] The Silk Quarter
-[X] The Anatolian Lords
-[X] The Empress
 
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