What are the end goal(s) of this quest?

  • Retake the Iron Throne.

    Votes: 36 14.0%
  • Destroy the White Walkers.

    Votes: 44 17.1%
  • Rebuild fallen Valyria.

    Votes: 43 16.7%
  • Create a new empire, forget the past and forge your own destiny.

    Votes: 74 28.7%
  • Survive. Who needs a crown?

    Votes: 24 9.3%
  • Utter domination. You are the Dragon and will not rest until you rule over all!

    Votes: 29 11.2%
  • Become the wisest of the wise. A true Loremaster. Learn the magics of old and converse with Gods.

    Votes: 40 15.5%
  • Forbidden Power - Why speak with the Gods when you can BECOME one of them?

    Votes: 64 24.8%
  • Immortality - The problem with Aegon the Conqueror is that he died. You will not.

    Votes: 79 30.6%

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@Lunasmeow do we have to choose the gods that hold the knowledge of valerian steel to get that knowledge
Not for Aegon himself no, but it would require someone having the pairing, or two people working together who each have one of the necessary gods.

We could wait and have Viserys get them. It's not like we need V.Steel right now.

Also if Dragon Fire is needed for the forging process then the knowledge would be useless anyway.

Better to have Aegon go for

[] Balerion
-[] God of Becoming
--[] Conquerors, explorers, traders beginning an entirely new venture, maids on their first moon's blood, and newlyweds may sacrifice to him. His greater feast is the first planting day in the spring. His lesser feast is the first night of the waxing crescent moon, the night after the new moon.

[] Syrax
-[] Goddess of Increasing
--[] Inheritors of crowns or lordships, farmers planting their seed, traders reinvesting in a successful venture, pregnant women, and couples who seek pregnancy may sacrifice to her. Her greater feast is the first harvest of spring vegetables (lettuces, strawberries, etc) after a winter. Her lesser feast is the first quarter moon, the transition from waxing crescent to waxing gibbous.

Edit: Not a vote
 
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so we could bring in a smith to worship the other one while we worship balerion then make valyian steel or would that be using meta knowledge
Only one of the Dragonlord line can have two gods. Otherwise it will take two people in concert who have one each. You know IC everything about the gods in the Apocrypha threadmark. That is not meta. It is known.

However, one MUST have Valyrian blood to be blessed by even one deity.
 
We could wait and have Viserys get them. It's not like we need V.Steel right now.
I think Valyrian Steel was a side benefit of that choice. If I recall correctly they made that pairing not for Valyrian Steel but because "god of conquerors and god of kings". But again, other pairings can be viable as well.
 
Only one of the Dragonlord line can have two gods. Otherwise it will take two people in concert who have one each. You know IC everything about the gods in the Apocrypha threadmark. That is not meta. It is known.

However, one MUST have Valyrian blood to be blessed by even one deity.
so we could have are gaurd worship her we worship balerion?
 
Anyway, I'm leaving the thread for now. Discuss among yourselves.
 
[X] Plan Witchking
-[X] Who do you choose as your two patron gods?
--[X] Balerion the Igniter
--[X] Meraxes the Tender
Gods of Conquerors and Kings. For forging an Empire and then keeping it. Also Valyrian Steel.

-[X] Who does Dany choose as her two patron gods?
--[X] Shrykos the Dreamer
--[X] Meleys the Temptress
One for seeing the past and the future. The other for scrying far away. Also, diplo-goddess for Queen of the People, and she's already been having dreams, courtesy of Shrykos.

To address points other people have brought up, controlling a dragon could be under Vhaegar's domain, but we can still do it with just the help of Tessarion, like the first dragonlords. Valyrian Steel needs there to be a dedicated member. furthermore, I don't think the secret to VS lies in the blacksmithing. Talented smiths can rework it. The secret probably lies in the spells used during smelting, hence why no one can make more of it.

Syrax the Stoker is for inheritors, not conquerors or kings, so I think Meraxes is a better choice. I see no reason to choose Ceraxes the Diminisher, and I'm keeping Morghul the Extinguisher reserved for Viserys. It gives him a unique Battlemage class that only he can get, as long as he can pass a roll and not die instead.

I see no reason for or against the remaining: the gods of the sea, air or earth. Too little info on them. Maybe have one of them as Viserys' second pick.
 
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I'm with the Wraith on this one. I have seen his ideas on Discord and appreciate his keen eye for detail.

[X] Plan Witchking
 
So to consolidate these various plans in one place...

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Adhoc vote count started by Lunasmeow on Sep 9, 2017 at 8:33 PM, finished with 1366 posts and 5 votes.

  • [X] Plan Witchking
    [X] Tessarion
    -[X] God of Secrets
    --[X] Little is truly known about him besides his name and domain, but a few customs have developed among his worshipers and he has at least not cursed anyone for following so far. He is portrayed as an unusually slender dragon, usually carved of pale soapstone or jade, with golden eyes and tongue- materials soft enough to be reworked if someone manages to discover his appearance in truth. Offerings are made to him on the night of the new moon; said offerings are often a rolled slip of parchment bearing one of the offerer's secrets, written in their own blood, and cast into the flame burning before his shrine. He accepts offerings from those seeking to ensure their secrets are kept, to discover the secrets of another, or the wisdom to know when to reveal a secret of their own for maximum effect.
    [X] Who do you choose as your two patron gods?
    -[X] Balerion the Igniter
    -[X] Meraxes the Tender
    [X] Who does Dany choose as her two patron gods?
    -[X] Shrykos the Dreamer
    -[x] Meleys the Temptress

Adhoc vote count started by Lunasmeow on Sep 9, 2017 at 8:34 PM, finished with 1366 posts and 4 votes.

Adhoc vote count started by Lunasmeow on Sep 9, 2017 at 9:56 PM, finished with 1367 posts and 6 votes.

Adhoc vote count started by Lunasmeow on Sep 10, 2017 at 2:07 AM, finished with 1375 posts and 7 votes.

Adhoc vote count started by Lunasmeow on Sep 10, 2017 at 2:37 AM, finished with 1376 posts and 8 votes.
 
Since we're going for immortality, I think we should consider Vhagar. We could start breeding dragons with very interesting traits in a little over 5 years after our first hatch (unless we can start improving the first eggs we have right away). There's also the economic aspect of being able to breed horses/pigs/cows with supernatural abilities as well as enhance their fertility.

Moving on to valyrian steel.

We don't know how much we can produce...or that it doesn't require a large cost to make (human sacrifice for example). Keep in mind that Valyria practiced lots of slavery and blood sacrifice stuff so it's not improbable. It might allow us to buy a few political alliances, but the worth of the steel will significantly lower after that...because it's value is in bragging rights in westeros.
 
Keep in mind that Valyria practiced lots of slavery and blood sacrifice stuff so it's not improbable.
And just what is Aegon's stance on slavery, blood magic and sacrifice? That hasn't come up yet has it? You never know, he might not have a problem with it. Nothing says he has to follow what is considered "good" in modern society.
 
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And just what is Aegon's stance on slavery, blood magic and sacrifice? That hasn't come up yet has it? You never know, he might not have a problem with it. Nothing says he has to follow what is considered "good" in modern society.
He might not have a problem with it, but i'm pretty sure the westerosi lords will if they find out.
 
He might not have a problem with it, but i'm pretty sure the westerosi lords will if they find out.
Not unless you're in Westeros doing it. They don't go warring against the free cities and slave cities after all. They trade with them, and even vacation there at times.

If you think Westeros gives a damn what other countries do, you overestimate how much people care.

This world has no united nations, no common law, no bills of rights. There is only power. And whatever the man with the power wants.
 
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Not unless you're in Westeros doing it. They don't go warring against the free cities and slave cities after all. They trade with them, and even vacation there at times.

If you think Westeros gives a damn what other countries do, you overestimate how much people care.

This world has no united nations, no common law, no bills of rights. There is only power. And whatever the man with the power wants.
I don't expect westeros to drop everything and declare war on whatever city we're living in if they hear about what we're doing. I do expect that alliances when we invade westeros will be much more difficult to gain if they all hear about our human sacrificing ways.
 
I don't expect westeros to drop everything and declare war on whatever city we're living in if they hear about what we're doing. I do expect that alliances when we invade westeros will be much more difficult to gain if they all hear about our human sacrificing ways.
Ah. Yes, that makes sense. Well, depending on who you mean of course. The Boltons won't give a damn obviously. Lol.

But it depends on what you get from it. Stannis has people behind him and he's burning people alive. At least you'd just slit their throats for the blood. People are willing to put up with a lot if they see results. Even things they thought they'd never condone...

The sad truth of humanity is that despite appearances, we care more about what works than what is good. If we see proof anyway and not merely hearing theory.

Some people though, are actually good and will care.
 
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Ah. Yes, that makes sense. Well, depending on who you mean of course. The Boltons won't give a damn obviously. Lol.

But it depends on what you get from it. Stannis has people behind him and he's burning people alive. At least you'd just slit their throats for the blood. People are willing to put up with a lot if they see results. Even things they thought they'd never condone...

The sad truth of humanity is that despite appearances, we care more about what works than what is good. If we see proof anyway and not merely hearing theory.

Some people though, are actually good and will care.
I agree, though in this case the value of valyrian steel will depreciate the more we hand it out :(
 
I agree, though in this case the value of valyrian steel will depreciate the more we hand it out :(
The solution is to not just hand it out willy nilly. Just hand it out to those who earn our trust and are unflinchingly loyal to us.

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I agree, though in this case the value of valyrian steel will depreciate the more we hand it out :(
The more you hand it out sure, if you are talking about normal economics. But remember, even during Valyria's height the price of a sword was "as much as you could afford". People don't give up their swords once they have them, so if you are the sole supplier, you charge what you want, because there can be no competition. No one can undercut you, because if they sell theirs, they have to buy a new one from you. This is why monopolies are dangerous in real life.

Think about it. I am a poor noble on hard times. I sell my sword for a million dragons. I now want another sword because I am rich and no longer destitute. I come to you to buy one. Selling a sword is a big deal so you heard about it. You now charge me 1 million plus more.

Armor was kept within Valyria alone, so no one had any. Even if there are say... 3k swords out there in total, that isn't a lot really. Now if you sold enough to arm an entire army, that would be a problem.

So no, value depreciates when there are other suppliers. Until there are so many swords out that everyone and their mother has one... or until someone else becomes a supplier, you would control the market. Because even if more common than before, they would still be irreplacable. That changes things.

In fact the more that are out there, the more irreplacable they become. This is because in a world full of Valyrian Steel, being the only one without puts you at a huge disadvantage in a fight.

In the real world this doesn't happen because other suppliers are a thing, and reverse technology is possible. But when it takes Valyrian gods to make it, then only other Valyrians can be your competition. Real world economics applies here in ASOIAF, but it can be modified by magic and gods when applicable.
 
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