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Fate/Kaleid Emiya: Oath Under The Snow (Miyuverse Shirou in F/SN Quest)

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Kataphraktos said:
Are you seriously telling me the Fate route has any chance of still happening with all that's happened and the deviations we'll continue to pull off?

And remember that the master canon Medea killed is still around as well.
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Actually, no it hasn't. Kirei is still the master of Cu, so unless we get him away from the fake priest he's still gonna fight Archer, and Shirou's still gonna go through all the motions that gets him killed and ends up summoning Saber.

So nothing's really been butterflied as of yet. Which means that things will continue as normal.

Kataphraktos said:
And his involvement in the war by witnessing the Archer-Lancer fight can't be?
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If we manage to take out Kirei before then, sure. But it's going to be difficult to do so seeing as how Gil is still hanging around the Church and Kirei has literally no reason to leave right now.

With Bazzett as proof that he's violated the rules of the Grail War then things might be simpler, but I wouldn't count on him ordering Cu to either kill himself or go straight for the jugular and send him after us. And with Cu's abilities, I personally wouldn't want to fight him one-on-one.

The Herc situation will happen regardless. Illya will be coming for Shirou, so I think it's better if he at least has someone competent to watch over him while still keeping his healing factor since he'll inevitably do something stupidly suicidal.
 
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Kataphraktos said:
And his involvement in the war by witnessing the Archer-Lancer fight can't be?
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That is yet to be seen, and can you guarantee we won't be doing something else by then? And Ilya knows where he lives.

Also, summoning Saber means we have an unknown Assassin instead of Rider under an unknown master. That's not a good thing.
 
Kataphraktos said:
And his involvement in the war by witnessing the Archer-Lancer fight can't be?
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It could be, but it would meta-gaming at the moment since we have no reason to know it would happen. One way would be if we focused on Lancer early but Illya will be coming after him anyway and he would be safer with a servant.

EDIT: Assassin'd
 
Ninth said:
Almost all reason for assassin mention here is also meta-game
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No.
What A Day said:
Shirou wanted a servant that could act in the shadows, and who would not be opposed to using underhanded methods. Also, with his experience in the Ainsworth Grail War, he knew that he didn't need firepower, as he already has enough.

Thus, instead of summoning a chivalrous knight that would have poor compatibility with him, he summoned an Assassin that would be more accepting of his methods, and would cover up one of the areas he's lacking in; stealth. Add to that the fact that he would be denying his enemies the chance of summoning a stealthy assassin with unknown powers, and Sabers are rather predictable too (Me hit with sword. Me have huge beam).

Really, what I don't see is why we would summon Saber of all classes, and King Arthur at that. Rider or Archer I could understand, but Saber?
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What A Day said:
That is yet to be seen, and can you guarantee we won't be doing something else by then? And Ilya knows where he lives.

Also, summoning Saber means we have an unknown Assassin instead of Rider under an unknown master. That's not a good thing.
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I have a bad habit of editing extra stuff to my posts for at least five minutes after posting, but I basically pointed out that with Zouken dying and Sakura freed, Shinji being a master and the Bloodfort deployment is impossible. Lancer thus confronts Rin elsewhere (assuming we don't deal with Kirei before that).

The more likely ways for FSN Shirou to get involved is for Illya to kidnap and bad end him into a doll offscreen if we don't confront her before canon starts or deliberately involve him as players.

Without the Grail War's existence hitting him face first, he'd just continue to putter along with his shitty nerve circuits at home and being the fake janitor. As shown in the VN, his hard-on for heroism was apparently insufficient to get him investigating the murders and gas leaks before magic got involved.

And the unknown master/servant pair is a good thing for the story. Otherwise, QM would be forced to set off Gilgamesh early or bring in the Ainsworths tracking Miyu just for there to be conflict after the almost certain vote to deal with Illya non-lethally.
 
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Kataphraktos said:
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First off: There is no guarantee that Shirou will not be involved in the Grail war. The fact that Ilya is after him and the Grail chose him are both factors working against that. In fact, I'm going to guess that @nicklzh is planning for Shirou to summon Richard if we summon Artoria.

Second: Presuming that Shirou will not get involved in the Grail war, you have still not given a reason as to why it is better to summon Saber instead of Assassin, as I noted here:
What A Day said:
Replace Shirou by Assassin and Saber by Shirou, and you got the same plan, with the added benefit that FSN Shirou will not horribly die due to Avalon not working.
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At best, there are equally good reasons to summoning either. At worst, there is no reason to summon Saber over Assassin.

Kataphraktos said:
And the unknown master/servant pair is a good thing for the story. Otherwise, QM would be forced to set off Gilgamesh early or bring in the Ainsworths tracking Miyu just for there to be conflict after the almost certain vote to deal with Illya non-lethally.
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We're getting an unknown servant-master pair either way.
 
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I would said that based on all around information there is even less reason to summon assassin IC

First, miyu grail war bear some similarities to the fifth war as the same servant being summoned. (Same lancer / different side of caster) while shinji use assassin. Which is weak
If shirou based on that assumption then he would be more concern over Gil/saber than assassin and getting rid of them seem to be better decision

Second. Assassin spying benefit is somewhat limited due to shirou already have caster. Other class also benefit more from having near unlimited prana than assassin.

Third. Shirou can also acting somewhat like an assassin, and have another servant taking frontline instead (If not why he even go back to prepare those rib bullets)

I think every class other than assassin is better. Not much saber preference

P.S. not include meta reason
 
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Ninth said:
First, miyu grail war bear some similarities to the fifth war as the same servant being summoned. (Same lancer / different side of caster) while shinji use assassin. Which is weak
If shirou based on that assumption then he would be more concern over Gil/saber than assassin and getting rid of them seem to be better decision
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It is precisely because he knows all the servants that he wouldn't be worried about firepower. With Medea's enhancements, he knows he can take them.
Second. Assassin spying benefit is somewhat limited due to shirou already have caster. Other class also benefit more from having near unlimited prana than assassin.

Third. Shirou can also acting somewhat like an assassin, and have another servant taking frontline instead (If not why he even go back to prepare those rib bullets)
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Similarly, it is possible for Shirou to take frontline and for Assassin to sneak on the enemy. With Presence Concealment they're better at it, unlike Saber who would not be better than Enhanced!Shirou at fighting in the frontline.
Ninth said:
I think every class other than assassin is better. Not much saber preference
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Assassin adds stealth. Archer adds ranged attacks. Rider adds a powerful mount.

All of these are stuff we can technically do, but they would be better than us at it.

This is not the case with a close-combat fighter like Saber, who's beam sword and CQC abilities are outmatched by us.
 
Can't wait to see how this turns out.

I have two different Master's planned for the other Servant depending on who wins the vote.

1 more hour to go
Adhoc vote count started by nicklzh on Aug 23, 2017 at 6:50 AM, finished with 218 posts and 85 votes.
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What A Day said:
It is precisely because he knows all the servants that he wouldn't be worried about firepower. With Medea's enhancements, he knows he can take them.

Similarly, it is possible for Shirou to take frontline and for Assassin to sneak on the enemy. With Presence Concealment they're better at it, unlike Saber who would not be better than Enhanced!Shirou at fighting in the frontline.
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Will reply later no battery

He's actually lose to gil card through' before medea buff.
Also possible that it also come from other servant have low compatibilty and can use less power than fifth war
Never the less, removing the stronger enemy from the war to allies is better than removing weak enemy.

Shirou is better being assassin than assassin acting as saber
I meant that in term of flexibility haveing saber can be adapt to more sistuation (like going both against single enemy servant or being attack by 2 servant)
 
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What A Day said:
Out of curiosity, are they masters you came up with or are they people somewhere in the Nasuverse?

Like, I dunno, this was all a Singularity and Chaldea is the final boss :p.
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Both are Nasuverse characters and powerful Magus.

Since neither of their fates have been mentioned in additional materials in the main Fate timelines I can use them just fine.

If older Medea was there she could curbstomp or ambush them easily, however. After all, they are still human...
 
Welp... Anyone want to pull a last second bandwagon on Astolfo instead?

I mean as things stand Serenity is gonna win unless we can steal some of those votes. Lots of them seem to be there as a 'No Saberface!' measure while an equal number of the Saber votes are there to Counter the Assassin votes.

Besides, having clicked through the last few chapters again I suspect Astolfo would be absolutely hilarious in this, and everyone's reactions would be glorious to see :D.
 
More like those who want saberface should change their vote to another saberface instead of mhx

I think mhx is the really good choice due to lot of things.
Frontline assassin mean other master are being less caution against normal assaination that shirou can do
No assassin mean medea also isnt suspectible to assassin. She's weak
enough to be killed by assassin

P.S. I hope that no one think that serenity can assassinate kirei.
He should be poison resistance enough due to the grail mud
 
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Ninth said:
He's actually lose to gil card through' before medea buff.
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The Gil card came from outside the HGW, so if he believes the servants are the same he wouldn't suspect Gilgamesh.

Besides, we actually have Infinite Prana this time.
Ninth said:
Also possible that it also come from other servant have low compatibilty and can use less power than fifth war
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Except Shirou is also powered up, and to a much larger degree.
Ninth said:
Never the less, removing the stronger enemy from the war to allies is better than removing weak enemy.
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Not when the weaker enemy can slice a knife behind your back.
Ninth said:
Shirou is better being assassin than assassin acting as saber
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And Shirou is better being Saber than Saber being Assassin.
Ninth said:
I meant that in term of flexibility haveing saber can be adapt to more sistuation (like going both against single enemy servant or being attack by 2 servant)
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Only with Assassin, we can have her kill the master while the servants are trying to take down Infinite-Prana-Enhanced-by-Medea!Shirou. Saber can't sneak up like that.
 
What A Day said:
The Gil card came from outside the HGW, so if he believes the servants are the same he wouldn't suspect Gilgamesh.

And Shirou is better being Saber than Saber being Assassin.

Only with Assassin, we can have her kill the master while the servants are trying to take down Infinite-Prana-Enhanced-by-Medea!Shirou. Saber can't sneak up like that.
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There is no reason for shirou to think that gil cant show up.

Not debating about power level. But I think semi infinite happen in miyu verse too.

And who's stupid enough to send saber as an assassin?. Saber + shirou(act as assassin) can still passable. But having shirou + assassin ( act as saber) isnt good at all when you need 2 servant in the frontline.
 
Ninth said:
There is no reason for shirou to think that gil cant show up.
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And there is no reason for him to think he will show up.
Ninth said:
And who's stupid enough to send saber as an assassin?
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Who's stupid enough to send Assassin as a Saber?

*Looks at canon*

...Never mind.
Ninth said:
But having shirou + assassin ( act as saber) isnt good at all when you need 2 servant in the frontline.
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Send Assassin to kill/threaten their master, and have Shirou play defensive with Medea's backup.
 
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