Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

OliWhail · Jul 30, 2017

faflec said:
What if the market doesn't exist yet? Like, supposing we magically invented modern helicopters would we be allowed to go in without a license, or would we still be hampering someone?

Off the top of my head, I suspect it depends what you're using them for. Selling them to ninja for aid in long range transport? You could probably sneak that by. Selling them to civilian caravans to aid in long range transport? Well, now you're competing with the wagon-makers.

(Note: I'm assuming here that you mean some kind of seal-based helicopter. If you had a fully civilian producible and flyable machine, maybe you could get that through, as the Gouketsu equivalent of the Yamanaka flower shop?)

faflec · Jul 30, 2017

OliWhail said:
(Note: I'm assuming here that you mean some kind of seal-based helicopter. If you had a fully civilian producible and flyable machine, maybe you could get that through?)

So you're saying that anything that can be made by civilians bypasses the whole Merchant's Council thing.

Well then.

Oneiros · Jul 30, 2017

OliWhail said:
(Note: I'm assuming here that you mean some kind of seal-based helicopter. If you had a fully civilian producible and flyable machine, maybe you could get that through?)

So non seal based zeppelins would work

OliWhail · Jul 30, 2017

faflec said:
So you're saying that anything that can be made by civilians bypasses the whole Merchant's Council thing.

Oneiros43 said:
So non seal based zeppelins would work

That's my understanding of why the Yamanaka and Akimichi are allowed to have their businesses, yes - in principle if they lost all their ninja abilities, they could still run those establishments just fine.

Cariyaga · Jul 30, 2017

OliWhail said:
That's my understanding of why the Yamanaka and Akimichi are allowed to have their businesses, yes - in principle if they lost all their ninja abilities, they could still run those establishments just fine.

Hm... Is there a gray area then, in seals that civilians are capable of using? IE, is this why Jiraiya was interested in them?

ContextBot · Jul 30, 2017

faflec said:
oh fucking come on are we allowed to sell anything

We can't sell stuff in Leaf/Fire. Nobody is saying we can't fuck up other nations economies. Maybe we can sell shit in Tea/Grass.

Also Keiko is doing bad, like really bad.

Hazou and Noburi nearly made shish kebab out of a child.

Kagome is being Kagome. At least that's good.

MadScientist · Jul 30, 2017

@OliWhail

I don't suppose that if we made cantrip seals that projected static predesigned chiascuros, we could use them for shadowpuppet-like dramatic storytellings of Jiraiya's SFW books and get away with it so long as we only made them of stories J had written himself?

faflec · Jul 30, 2017

Alright who else thinks we should start work on mechanization? Let's get shit rolling in here.

Cariyaga · Jul 30, 2017

faflec said:
Alright who else thinks we should start work on mechanization? Let's get shit rolling in here.

That's so much easier to pull off with seals, though -- we should make civilian usable ones and see if J can spin them up to the Merchant Council.

eaglejarl · Jul 30, 2017

Enjou said:
Shouldn't this be the Kazegake, if we're talking about Sand?

Fixed, thanks.

@Squiddlebuddy: Also fixed the extra space, thanks.

faflec · Jul 30, 2017

Cariyaga said:
That's so much easier to pull off with seals, though -- we should make civilian usable ones and see if J can spin them up to the Merchant Council.

That's not what we want. We want to make money quickly, not efficiently. Getting a large lump sum in the next month or so is better than getting more several months from now.

Cariyaga · Jul 30, 2017

faflec said:
That's not what we want. We want to make money quickly, not efficiently. Getting a large lump sum in the next month or so is better than getting more several months from now.

I'm not sure we can pull of mechanization in that timeframe either.

MadScientist · Jul 30, 2017

faflec said:
Alright who else thinks we should start work on mechanization? Let's get shit rolling in here.

Absolutely.

Also, I think we should shop around for a chemistry/alchemy teacher for Hazou and/or Noburi. A lot of things get easier when you have basic chemistry/physics concepts (such as steam power, for example). It might additionally lower chemical-based seal TNs like medicine will lower bioseal TNs.

faflec · Jul 30, 2017

Cariyaga said:
I'm not sure we can pull of mechanization in that timeframe either.

Not on a wide scale, maybe. But we can certainly get working designs pulled off and make deals with various merchants in the right fields for cash.

Oneiros · Jul 30, 2017

[x] Training Akane: flight engineer

MechApt 16 (16)
MechApt 17 (33)
MechApt 18 (51)
MechApt 19 (70)

Save 4 exp

MadScientist · Jul 30, 2017

MechApt can't be raised above 15.

You can only buy higher levels through specialisations, none of which we have attributes for.

faflec · Jul 30, 2017

Oneiros43 said:
[x] Training Akane: flight engineer

MechApt 16 (16)
MechApt 17 (33)
MechApt 18 (51)
MechApt 19 (70)

Save 4 exp

Akane's already at MechApt 15 so she can start on a specialty, I think it would be better for us to work on a mechanization specialty so that we could get industrial benefits. @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail How accurate am I being?

eaglejarl · Jul 30, 2017

faflec said:
Akane's already at MechApt 15 so she can start on a specialty, I think it would be better for us to work on a mechanization specialty so that we could get industrial benefits. @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail How accurate am I being?

I don't understand the question. Could you rephrase?

OliWhail · Jul 30, 2017

faflec said:
oh fucking come on are we allowed to sell anything

The tricky part is that you can sell things that don't take advantage of you being ninja.

faflec said:
How long did it take for the Nara clan to get patents for the printing press?

Patents? What are patents?

faflec · Jul 30, 2017

eaglejarl said:
I don't understand the question. Could you rephrase?

Where do we stand on MechApt specialties? Are they still available at MechApt 15, is leveling a specialty better than leveling MechApt (for that specialty...

Also, if we asked for Akane to start on a mechanization specialty what would the requirements be, in general?

eaglejarl · Jul 30, 2017

MadScientist said:
@OliWhail

I don't suppose that if we made cantrip seals that projected static predesigned chiascuros, we could use them for shadowpuppet-like dramatic storytellings of Jiraiya's SFW books and get away with it so long as we only made them of stories J had written himself?

Step 1: Get Jiraiya to write some SFW books.
Step 2: Talk to the Merchant Council about it.

Seriously, anything that ninja do to make money aside from officially-sanctioned missions needs to be approved. If it's something novel that they haven't thought about before they'll be very reluctant to let it go through.

NeverDies said:
I had a thought for a good that no merchant sells, so we'd be more likely to get a license for it.

Music.

See above.

MadScientist said:
@faflec

I think giving away free stuff would draw the MC's ire just as much as selling things. They're an intelligent agency which can decide for themselves when the ninjas are being dicks.

Yep, exactly.

OliWhail said:
I'm not sure if this means it's dropping out of his mouth or that it's physically moving away under its own power.

Fixed, thanks.

faflec said:
So you're saying that anything that can be made by civilians bypasses the whole Merchant's Council thing.

Well then.

The ideal solution would be to find something that can be done entirely by civilians, then partner with a bunch of civilians to do the actual work. If ninja are doing the work then you'll need a license, but if civilians are doing it then you won't. Of course, that begs the question -- if the civilians are doing all of it, why are they sharing the profits? Still, having a civilian-doable product with civilians as your frontpeople will speed things up a lot.

Cariyaga said:
Hm... Is there a gray area then, in seals that civilians are capable of using? IE, is this why Jiraiya was interested in them?

There's lots of grey areas. As Jiraiya says, the whole thing is a giant muddle.

faflec · Jul 30, 2017

eaglejarl said:
The ideal solution would be to find something that can be done entirely by civilians, then partner with a bunch of civilians to do the actual work. If ninja are doing the work then you'll need a license, but if civilians are doing it then you won't. Of course, that begs the question -- if the civilians are doing all of it, why are they sharing the profits? Still, having a civilian-doable product with civilians as your frontpeople will speed things up a lot.

Would it be allowed if we had Akane's parents be those civilians?

jy3 · Jul 30, 2017

eaglejarl said:
Hazō frowned in thought. "Civilians hire ninja missions all the time though, right? And what about D-rank missions—they hire us for babysitting and cleanup duty and things like that. We use ninja skills for those. Back in Mist there was this one woman who kept hiring my squad to babysit her three-year-old. Brattiest kid you've ever seen, but he loved watching clones walk through tables. We would take turns making clones to keep him entertained."

eaglejarl said:
"Wait, this cockamamie idea isn't just Leaf?" Noburi asked.

Wait, so is the existence of the Mist merchant council common knowledge or isn't it? It seems to be the first time Noburi's heard of it, but Hazou seems to be taking for granted that Mist has one if Leaf has one.

OliWhail · Jul 30, 2017

jy3 said:
Wait, so is the existence of the Mist merchant council common knowledge or isn't it? It seems to be the first time Noburi's heard of it, but Hazou seems to be taking for granted that Mist has one if Leaf has one.

Remember the line about how in some places the ninja just kept killing uncooperative civilians until the survivors started cooperating?

faflec · Jul 30, 2017

OliWhail said:
Remember the line about how in some places the ninja just kept killing uncooperative civilians until the survivors started cooperating?

Who else thinks that this is what happened to Bear?

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