[X] Get the papers in order, make sure that everything is ready and waiting and prepared for the new team.
[X] Maybe now's the time to push to see if you can get legal permission to listen in on their phone conversations?

We have only a lot of circumstantial evidence. Need more before a case is worth anything
 
"If it is, nobody is laughing," Ignatius said.

And Ryuk, a master of timing as he was, deciding to take that moment to start laughing uncontrollably.
I admit, this also made me chuckle, so congrats there Laurent.

[X] Get the papers in order, make sure that everything is ready and waiting and prepared for the new team.
[X] Maybe now's the time to push to see if you can get legal permission to listen in on their phone conversations?

Yeah I agree with Veekie here, our evidence on the girls is shaky and quite reliant on personal interactions with them instead of hard evidence. If we can combine what we already have, with some more information gathered from the phone calls, it should ideally naturally place both of them near the top of the suspect list anyway.
 
[X] Begin gathering/putting together a case for why Patricia or Rachel are the most likely suspects.
[X] Follow them around some more, and begin marking locations… the FBI does have more than a little pull.
 
[X] Get the papers in order, make sure that everything is ready and waiting and prepared for the new team.
[X] Maybe now's the time to push to see if you can get legal permission to listen in on their phone conversations?
 
I'm still catching up with the quest, but brief sidenote: it seems to me Alex jumps a bit quickly to "supernatural method". If it were me, I'd suspect something like a CIA mind control ray that got discarded because it kept causing heart attacks.
 
I'm still catching up with the quest, but brief sidenote: it seems to me Alex jumps a bit quickly to "supernatural method". If it were me, I'd suspect something like a CIA mind control ray that got discarded because it kept causing heart attacks.

If anything that seems even less likely than the supernatural thing? Because why would it start with random school principals, then?
 
[X] Begin gathering/putting together a case for why Patricia or Rachel are the most likely suspects.
[X] Follow them around some more, and begin marking locations… the FBI does have more than a little pull.
 
If anything that seems even less likely than the supernatural thing? Because why would it start with random school principals, then?

I'd look at "kids of ex-CIA" first. The entire thing sounds absurd (it's like the plot of a teen fiction novel) but it sounds less absurd than magic. At least there's plausible precedent for the CIA researching stuff like this.

[edit] Like, if you asked me "How did something with the following effects get created: 1) it can compel action, 2) it causes a heart attack", the "it can compel action" alone would make me think CIA.

[edit] Of course, the principal does not fit the pattern, because the action happened after his death. I'd look for evidence of heart damage in the kid who shot himself.
 
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But does it, necessarily? To me, it sounds at least as absurd, and possibly more so?

I mean, there's two options:

1) Human brains are manipulable over a distance using some mechanism not yet understood, that nonetheless operates within the known laws of physics.

2) Human brains are manipulable over a distance using some mechanism not yet understood, that operates outside the known laws of physics.

1 is a lot more likely.

Like, adding the Death Note rules to an existing universe makes no sense. At a fundamental level, you can't add high-level rules to a low-level reductionist universe, because to have high-level conceptual rules, concepts have to have primacy in the way the universe operates at a fundamental level.

The only reason I'd call the compulsion effect "magic" if I specifically wanted to highlight that I didn't know anything about how it worked. I wouldn't expect it to, you know, actually be magic.

Of course, I don't really want to complain about that as a storytelling idea because it's fundamentally part of the premise. Without high-level magic, there is no Death Note. I'm just saying, if I actually had to make that choice, that's what I'd think.
 
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I mean, there's two options:

1) Human brains are manipulable over a distance using some mechanism not yet understood, that nonetheless operates within the known laws of physics.

2) Human brains are manipulable over a distance using some mechanism not yet understood, that operates outside the known laws of physics.

1 is a lot more likely.

I sorta get what you're saying, but it still sounds absurd, and I don't think it's unrealistic at all to assume that something supernatural is going on. If it's technological, then it's the kind of technology that's made up bullshit Sci-Fi technology, which doesn't actually change any of the investigation?
 
Also, fundamentally, I don't think like you, I suppose? I wouldn't think, "CIA" the way you apparently would at the first chance?

Edit: Also, there was a full coroner's report. No, the boy who committed suicide had no heart problems at all. It wasn't important because conservation of details matters.
 
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I mean ... remember how L reacted when he heard the word Shinigami?

That's how you should react when you realize that the world works fundamentally differently than how not just you, but everyone, thought.

It's like, I feel you're looking at it from a storytelling perspective, where bullshit space magic is just magic by any other name. But if you actually lived in this universe, and it was similar to our universe in the sense that it had physical laws that operated on reductivist, mathematical rules, then learning that not just names but fate itself was real - ie. the sort of thing you need to have a magical system at all - should not be your first conclusion!

It feels like Alex is approaching it like a story, and he thinks he's in a story with bullshit magic instead of bullshit sci-fi because that seems to him to fit more, and not be very different in the end. I'm just saying, that's not actually how reality works, and strictly speaking it should make him a bad detective - reality does not actually run on storytelling tropes. (Of course, maybe Alex's reality does...)

Edit: Also, there was a full coroner's report. No, the boy who committed suicide had no heart problems at all. It wasn't important because conservation of details matters.

That's actually really important! Because that's the piece of information that fundamentally excludes the "mind control ray that causes heart problems as a side effect" explanation. It means that whatever effect killed whatshisface caused a different person to do actions to him after his death. That's the point where I'd start sniffing towards "something like sacrificial magic".

[edit] Of course, what actually happened was that the heart attack doesn't happen if you die via another mechanism. I'm just saying, Alex wouldn't know that.
 
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I mean ... remember how L reacted when he heard the word Shinigami?

That's how you should react when you realize that the world works fundamentally differently than how not just you, but everyone, thought.

It's like, I feel you're looking at it from a storytelling perspective, where bullshit space magic is just magic by any other name. But if you actually lived in this universe, and it was similar to our universe in the sense that it had physical laws that operated on reductivist, mathematical rules, then learning that not just names but fate itself was real - ie. the sort of thing you need to have a magical system at all - should not be your first conclusion!

It feels like Alex is approaching it like a story, and he thinks he's in a story with bullshit magic instead of bullshit sci-fi because that seems to him to fit more, and not be very different in the end. I'm just saying, that's not actually how reality works, and strictly speaking it should make him a bad detective - reality does not actually run on storytelling tropes. (Of course, maybe Alex's reality does...)

And I don't view it that way at all? I also don't have time to debate this shit, honestly.

There's literally NO EVIDENCE that points to this being a CIA plot. Meanwhile there is evidence that whatever is happening operates according to bizarre rules that have no physical properties/scientific meaning.
 
I'm not saying "this must be a CIA plot"; I just said "CIA" as "the kind of thing I'd suspect it to be at first, second, third, fourth and fifth glance." "CIA" is just a placeholder for "somebody interested in and capable of researching mind control." I just think that I'd look a lot harder for a natural explanation before I'd even whisper the word "supernatural".

Sorry, I'll go back to catching up with the quest now.
 
I'm not saying "this must be a CIA plot"; I just said "CIA" as "the kind of thing I'd suspect it to be at first, second, third, fourth and fifth glance." "CIA" is just a placeholder for "somebody interested in and capable of researching mind control." I just think that I'd look a lot harder for a natural explanation before I'd even whisper the word "supernatural".

Sorry, I'll go back to catching up with the quest now.

Also, all of it just that all of it seems to operate under bizarre rules that make no scientific sense.

Though to be fair, mind control technology makes no scientific sense either.

Edit: Like, ultimately the important fact here is that it doesn't operate in the manner of normal murders. You can't find someone with the murder weapon still bloody. There's no physical evidence. The few suspects you have might well have been halfway across the city.
 
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Vote closed!
Adhoc vote count started by The Laurent on Jul 4, 2017 at 8:34 PM, finished with 22 posts and 7 votes.

  • [X] Begin gathering/putting together a case for why Patricia or Rachel are the most likely suspects.
    [X] Get the papers in order, make sure that everything is ready and waiting and prepared for the new team.
    [X] Maybe now's the time to push to see if you can get legal permission to listen in on their phone conversations?
    [X] Follow them around some more, and begin marking locations… the FBI does have more than a little pull.
    [X] Use Damien to get closer to them.
 
Episode 14: Confluence
Episode 14: Confluence

She yawned, looking down at the world, at the scurrying mice before the cat came out and bit down. It was all so amusing, all so silly, to see them sweat and pant and do all sorts of strange human-like things when all they were doing was racing towards their death, and the nothing that she'd been told came with it.

It was all so… dull. She didn't understand how Ryuk could be having fun. But of course, that was Ryuk, after all. Always a strange one.

She held a pair of bone-dice in her clawed hands, and rolled them once more.

And waited.
 
It really feels like shinigami are really slow at acknowledging changing times and technologies.

Because I could totally see shinigami being interested in A.I.

An immortal consciousness, that's yet to become bored and jaded by eternity.
 
Episode 14-A
Episode 14-A

Now was the time to get their house in order. Alex had run and acted with dangerous swiftness, darting ahead of the evidence at time, and had based quite a bit on intuition and logic that, ultimately, came down t a feeling. A feeling that one person or another was telling a lie or not telling a lie.

The start of it was simple: someone had died in a manner that had seemed impossible, at least by any understanding of technology or logic that Alex understood, and so they had considered the idea that this was not random, that it was something with rules that could, thus, be understood, and that it was a person doing it, someone that could be caught.

Someone who knew of the Principal's frustrating laxness and, later on, the coach's disgusting perversions and crimes. That implied that it was someone at the school, and the fact that the coach had died even after being saved implied that in some way it was not so simple as controlling a mind.

And so Alex had hunted.

*******

The sky was clear that day as they stood on the roof, flipping through the notes, one by one by one, soft, delicate hands, this time with long nails, touching each one intimately.

James was standing near the entrance, watching them, perhaps with concern. But getting up a little higher to look down at the way people moved, it told them something. It told them that people had patterns, and wasn't that a truth they adored?

Damien and Wendell, and others still, had been fooled by it as they had moved to get closer to the two prime suspects.

But why were they suspects? When the FBI team came to join with them, what would be said? That they were close by, friends of one of the first victims, whose stories had fit and yet had seemed strange?

"They're going to get craftier," Alex said.

"There you go again," James said, "you want me to play your little Watson game. Well fine, then answer me this, friend." He stepped forward, closer to Alex, "Why is it a they? Only one person can wield the notebook. Do you think that one of them brought the other in? If so, which one?"

"I think… I think that it depends on which one we have first. Patricia, Patricia I'm not sure about. If Rachel was the first," Alex said, tapping their chin and stretching their body out, allowing it to fall at an angle so they could think better, "then she brought Patricia in voluntarily. But, and this is just a feeling, if Patricia was first, then Rachel brought herself in. I tipped her off in some way, in our meeting…"

"I'm asking all of this because there is some suspicion that the murder of Mr. Black happened in part because of all of this. It's too close together," Alex said, "And it's a solved case, but you know, a person wonders." They said it without guile, "And if we can help people find closure, then that's important, too."

Rachel hadn't quite bought it, in such a scenario, and that had made them think about the Guiltmonger.

"What, so she mentioned GuiltMonger for no reason?"

"They're friends. How hard would it be for Patricia to encourage Rachel's presence on the site as cover for her actions? Or, if Rachel is the first, then she was playing it the whole time but realized that she was being drawn closer and closer into the mystery, and so she brought Patricia in. We need to look for that trick: throwing us towards one of them, but making sure that it's the other that has pieces of the notebook or incriminating evidence."

"So you think both are involved in the murders?" James asked, dubiously, then brightened, "Actually, that would explain a few things. The theatrical nature of some of them…"

The lightning bolt that had hit the Christian who thought that God wanted people to kill gays and blacks, and who had held the government in a cult-fueled standoff near the beginning of January sprung to mind.

"If that's so, then we've made one big mistake, and we can't be sure that another might not kill all of us, fake names or no."

"What mistake is that?"

"We shouldn't have struck so soon. If we waited, they might have gotten lax, or expected that we wouldn't go so far, but now that they know… they'll hide it all the better, and yet the first time we didn't know what to look for. I already have ideas for how to mess with them."

And why them? Because once you narrowed it down to someone in the school that hated Mayor Buford, you were well on your way to a roster that only included five-sixth of the school… because the Mayor was that hated. Nobody even pretended to miss him now that the time had passed to shake your head and say, 'For shame, for shame.'

But then, the actions of Mr. Sellers narrowed it down further, or at least made it likely considering the confluence of 'he talked about an event, and then something was done about it'. It could be a coincidence, and the report would have to say that, but if it wasn't, that meant that they were done to thirty-odd suspects.

"When you say it like that," James admitted, "you're right."

"We should get a psychological profile of each of them," Alex muttered to themselves, "or something."

Something to explain why they had so quickly narrowed it down. Some of it was knowledge: of those in the Debate class, only certain categories of people were aware of what the Coach was doing.

Alex had done the math, and counting as many people who might have overheard it or said something as possible, it still meant that the suspect pool was only fourteen people.

Wendell, that was another gut feeling, along with the feeling that exonerated Damien, but both were things that could be quantified to some extent. And Mr. Sellers?

They had contacted him, they had pressed the issue, and it had seemed to work. There was still more to do, but eliminate him, and it was already down to eleven suspects.

There was a lot to justify, and a lot of mistakes, and yet ultimately they had run down the second killer far better than the first.

They'd almost had him before Darius had gone in and killed him, and Alex suspected that even without Darius, they would have gotten the boy, Marcus, before too long. But before too long meant many more deaths, and so they couldn't begrudge it.

What they could begrudge was the fact that they didn't understand what the first killer's next move was. The lack of personal motive, and the uncertain whimsy meant that merely predicting who they would kill would put them only so much closer to the truth. Because it wasn't going to be personal, and not all that revealing.

Even tapping to see what news sites they read might not catch it if they were clever enough to store the names and faces in their mind and remember them. And even if it was caught, what of it? Was going online to a popular news site and reading the stories really the slam-dunk evidence that Alex was seeking?

And yet, cases were built like this. Brick by brick, piece by piece.

Alex thought about how and where Rachel and Patricia were moving. They were meeting today, for dinner at Patricia's house, for it was only a day until New Years, and they wanted to do a bit of the Christmas thing, having gotten too out of sorts and even upset over the strange actions of the police that, of course, were entirely unfounded.

Were they talking? Were they whispering? Plotting?

Well so was Alex.

*******

January the third. Four people, sitting in a conference room, waiting for the arrivals. Four people to be added to a team of four, plus plenty of other sources and contacts that were not directly part of the team. So few because it was thought that Alex's report indicated that they had an understanding of the case, and they would not want to upset the balance of 'his' they said on the report, to Alex's annoyance, team.

Wouldn't want to brush Alex aside.

Good, very good.

The door opened, and Jesus Smiley stepped in, ahead of the others, it seemed. "Good day, Detectives. I hope your New Years was enjoyable?"

Alex didn't bite at the small talk, though they had spent all of the 1st groaning over a near-fatal headache.

"It was," Oliver said, "I went and visited my family, and recharged and tried to think about what we're going to do next."

"Ah, good, good," Smiley said, seemingly surprised anyone had taken up his question at all. "Well, allow me to introduce…"

Who joins up? Pick 3

[] "Morgan Smithson, an expert in evidence of a certain type. He's just the man if you want to find hidden things, and his brain is top-notch when it comes to twisted ways that murder can be done."
[] "Urich Hatler is a bit of an obsessive when it comes to systems, especially security. I know that might not sound so useful, but we need to protect this book, and we also need to figure out how and where they are protecting their own book." (Also known as something of a demolitions expert, though that's not really relevant… or is it?)
[] "Laila Otters used to be an undercover cop before she joined the FBI, and she has plenty of experience there. Another person to work against your style of investigation seemed like a sure pick, Alex."
[] "Nancy Grates is something of an oddity. A logician, as much as a crime-solver. It seemed that her understanding of logic and rules might lead her to ask more about what Ryuk can do, and what he can't do."
[] "Rick Oates knows the law quite well. It's proved useful in cases of his in the past, where the police and the FBI have had to push a little farther than usual, or deal with RICO conspiracy matters. Considering that your read is two people working together, and perhaps more, and that you wish to do a lot of monitoring that's rather difficult to get… I thought you'd appreciate him."
[] Kyle Klein is new to our department, but very bright, and more than that, willing to take risks. That'd not normally be a plus, we're the FBI, not a SWAT team, but considering the secret nature of the precautions you're wanting us to take...oh, and of course, none of the names I'm telling you are real."

******

A/N: And there we go. Actually, Darius is part of the 'team' as well. I might make a post after you choose in which I list everyone, because that's going to be the core team and unless/until people start dying, it's not going to change much!

Also, yes, this is a clipshow episode.
 
Just my opinion: as a matter of routine, Alex should doubt the evidence of the behavior of anyone who has died. That includes Marcus. I don't know why he'd be a patsy, or who for - but as a person who has died, his behavior before his death should be automatically suspect.

I still sort of suspect Darius. I couldn't imagine why he would want Alex to have the Death Note, but if he thought Alex was gonna crack the second case eventually anyways, he may have wanted it to happen under conditions where he could stay close to him.

Can you specify that another DN user takes the eye deal as a condition of their death? If so, finding the first killer would let him get Alex's name - "X takes the eye deal and writes down Alex's real name in their DN." He could probably brute force it if he knew for sure who of a limited number of subjects was the first DN user.
 
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Just my opinion: as a matter of routine, Alex should doubt the evidence of the behavior of anyone who has died. That includes Marcus. I don't know why he'd be a patsy, or who for - but as a person who has died, his behavior before his death should be automatically suspect.

I still sort of suspect Darius. I couldn't imagine why he would want Alex to have the Death Note, but if he thought Alex was gonna crack the second case eventually anyways, he may have wanted it to happen under conditions where he could stay close to him.

Literally all of the entries in the Death Note that killed someone are written in the exact same scrawl, handwriting that is not even close to how Darius writes. It is also known that the Death Note cannot make you kill someone else.

You suspecting Darius is honestly a little bit bizarre? Absolutely no evidence fits that suspicion.

Edit: Additionally, there is a huge amount of negative evidence against it.
 
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Literally all of the entries in the Death Note that killed someone are written in the exact same scrawl, handwriting that is not even close to how Darius writes.
Yeah, the second user was clearly someone dumb; there's no reason to leak like that. Doesn't mean the manner of their death is not automatically suspicious.
It is also known that the Death Note cannot make you kill someone else.
I'd not realized that, thanks. That makes a lot more sense of the first double-death. That said, they'd just need Alex's True name, meaning they'd just need to get the first DN user to write it down somewhere, then hide the paper.
You suspecting Darius is honestly a little bit bizarre? Absolutely no evidence fits that suspicion.
I know. It's just a feeling. I guess it's story instinct, looking who is well-positioned for the inevitable twist.
 
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