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Shining Example (WORM ORIGIN QUEST)
- Thread starter IKnowNothing
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hmmm, make a suit of armor from condensing earths?(or the solar system?), that would be very nice as it would let us survive Rebecca's hugs of doom!
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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- Trumpistan
Ok, so let's go over what he did.
He used his power on everything other than himself, right?
He never once actually used his own body for anything other than somatic gestures. He punched using things he lifted, he pushed David down. When you're in a fight like that do you really stop to think: "oh, look at these waves on my body, I bet I can push myself around." Or better yet, would you ever think of this: "Hey, I need to dodge really really fast, so I'm going to smash this rock into me so I move."
Can you dance? Sure you can move your feet, but the complicated movements elude you. This is the same thing. He is using brute force in the most basic idea of it. AKA:
That guy over there is going to hurt me and is an asshole, I want him to hurt and me not to. He is thinking about punching, about blocking. These ideas are simple. Stop this, hit this.
Think about moving without actually moving. Does that make any sense? Does it seem more natural than running away?
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
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- Australia
What? Everything he does works off the same mechanic so everything should feel equally unnatural to use. If he could think of using the waves to form a shield he sure as hell could have thought of riding on them. All he would have had to do is push off some of the waves pressing down on him and he would have gone flying into the sky.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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What you're not getting, is that idea does not occur to him. Why would it? People don't usually want to go Flying into the Fucking Sky
He has already spent two days moving stuff around, however.
Let's look at this again. Can you throw a ball? That's intuitive, right? Now does it naturally occur to you that if you spin the ball in a special way, you can make it curve? Can you do this off the cuff? This is the idea here.
Flying, moving without actually moving, making black holes. These things Are. Not. Intuitive.
The powers Cauldron gives out do not give their users intuitive use. Natural triggers do, if that's what you're trying to reference.
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LordOfMurder
Bhaal
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He can fly just fine using powers he'd already demonstrated before the fight.
He moved contessa with his powers showing him he can use them on people, he made several different objects fly into the air and showed perfect control over a flying pencil. Unless you're assuming that using his powers on himself and other things are completely different then he should already be able to fly. A better anology would be "If you can throw a golf ball you can also throw a tennis ball". He doesn't have to do anything different than the things he's already done he just has to apply them to himself.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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- Trumpistan
Ok, I'll make this simple.
Can you pick yourself up? Is that even intuitive? That is the mental block here.
I want you to put yourself in Alex's place for a few seconds here. An asshole is floating in the sky with a GIANT SPEAR OF FIRE. Up until this moment you have done two things with your power. You have moved objects and crushed them. DO YOU EVEN STOP TO THINK ABOUT FLYING?
I think you're also missing the fact that this entire fight probably took a grand total of 20 seconds after Alex went tame mode.
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LordOfMurder
Bhaal
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Well I see he's floating in the sky, I have a power that makes things float, I ponder to myself "Can I too reach his lofty heights?"
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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- Trumpistan
GIANT SPEAR OF FIRE
Yeah sure, "I too can reach those lofty heights." That's exactly what I'm thinking.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
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- Australia
Then why was a repeatedly asked whether it sounded intuitive or what I would think of in the situation?
Regardless this doesn't really matter I just thought it was odd that despite having the power of gravity and both his first exposure to powers and his fight fight with a powered individual involve flight, it didn't occur to him to try it himself.
That was a joke. Obviously I'd just try moving myself out of the way of the attack with my gravity powers. Or if I was for some reason so critically low on imagination I didn't think of moving myself I could try moving the rock under like I'd just done to David to prevent him from standing up a minute ago.
This isn't a difficult concept to grasp. You have a power that makes things float, he is a floating man therefore it is possible for people to float, you are a person, maybe you should try floating out of the way of his attacks?
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That's the thing, Cauldron powers are hapazardly integrated compared to natural ones. His natural reaction is to jump out of the way, not float out of the way or use his powers to neutralize the attack.
Hence the point of training him.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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- Trumpistan
Here's what you're not getting, bro.
Quick, don't think too much. A guy pulls a knife on you. What do you do? You run. Alex has had his powers all of two days and doesn't have the time to imagine all the things he could do in that instant.
You need to not think as a dude behind a keyboard, but as a kid faced WITH A GIANT SPEAR OF FIRE that is about to be thrown at you.
There is no imagination, only action and reaction. That kind of reaction requires training and muscle memory. Alex never used finesse, he used brute, unthinking force.
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I've already done a post on why black holes do not behave the way comic books pretend they do so I will just add using this technique would result in our perception of time stopping... While everyone else watches ou body get torn apart by the shear forces involved.
Thumb inside the fis, thumb outside. Which comes naturally?
Having the capacity is massively different from having the ability. And a point no one has brought up, his 'instinctive' use of his power will have been his shard intervening. You don't just get instincts, look at research into cybernetic limbs, it can require months of practice.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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- Trumpistan
Now, lets do one last analysis. We will take it in two simple steps.
- What does Alex know?
- What is he thinking?
- Alex knows he can control gravity. This leads to another question:
- What does Alex know about gravity? He knows it is the thing that holds him to the Earth, it is why stuff falls, it keeps the planets in orbit around the sun, and he probably knows that black holes have a lot of it. This is pretty much what the layman knows about gravity. That is what Alex is. He is the Average Joe given something exceptional.
- Alex knows that he can use the waves to affect objects around his body.
- Around is the key word. Alex has had his power for all of two days and has used it to move stuff around him only. This is what comes naturally to him.
- We saw this when David asked him what he can do. Alex made a rock float.
- Shocking Revelation: People don't normally think they can fly or even come up with the idea naturally.
- Second Shocking Revelation: Alex knows that people have different powers. Why should he be able to fly even if this guy can.
- This is about it. Alex has been awake two days. In those two days he has found his best friend essentially brought back from the dead and had an existential crisis over his family. He hasn't been thinking about his power much.
- Google doesn't exist.
- This guy is going to kill me. My face is bleeding.
- Flight or Fight response.
- Flight.
- RUN. (Addendum: Now run the fuck away, because that is what humans have been doing for hundreds of thousands of years. Big secret, humans haven't been playing with gravity for that long.)
- Emotional Crisis
- Fight
- GIANT SPEAR OF FIRE
- Make it not hit me
- Too big to run away from
- BLOCK
- Move something else in the way
- Fight
- He's way over there
- Can move things at range
- Hit him with something.
- Repeatedly
- This guy is going to kill me. My face is bleeding.
- Flight or Fight response.
- "OK, so I've never done this before, but if I put waves all over my back I can fly over the ground really fast."
- "I just spent two seconds fucking around with my power while this asshole is trying to kill or hurt me."
- "Ok, so maybe if I push everything really tight into a really small space something will happen. This might keep him away from me."
- "The asshole is still trying to kill me."
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- the Netherworld Dood
Yes Because throwing yourself with the power you use to send mountains at people without testing is a Brillient idea.
Get over it he'll get better you can't expect someone with no fighting experaince to use the depth of his powers right off the bat while panicked
IKnowNothing
....What?
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- I got lost so.....Where are we?
Doormaker was the second successful trigger by Cauldron vial, he is up and running. You can gladly ask Contessa for a planet to work with, but the chance of her actually letting you do that before you have a good grasp on your powers is doubtful.
Now, Alex could effortlessly walk up to Rebecca and ask her to get Contessa to get you something. It's just on who you ask honestly.
TheLurker
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[X] Stay and work with him. Despite his intense methods, you did ask for this. Besides, if it were anyone else other than him, you might have killed them. He's not the nicest man, but he is trying to help.
I mean, he's intense as all hell, and a bit of a dick...but he's also kind of RIGHT. And he seems like he needs a friend. He strikes me as the kind of person that has trouble socializing, and that bit at the end there is his way of reaching a hand out. Speaking as somebody who's brother is on the autism spectrum, it really is important to recognize when that sort of effort is being made.
From a meta-game point of view, being friends with Eidolon is realistically the only way to nip the slaughterhouse nine thing in the bud before Hero dies. Because canon contessa is a horrible character that makes everything pointless.
I mean, he's intense as all hell, and a bit of a dick...but he's also kind of RIGHT. And he seems like he needs a friend. He strikes me as the kind of person that has trouble socializing, and that bit at the end there is his way of reaching a hand out. Speaking as somebody who's brother is on the autism spectrum, it really is important to recognize when that sort of effort is being made.
From a meta-game point of view, being friends with Eidolon is realistically the only way to nip the slaughterhouse nine thing in the bud before Hero dies. Because canon contessa is a horrible character that makes everything pointless.
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IKnowNothing
....What?
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- I got lost so.....Where are we?
Siberian is the one to kill Hero. Manton did that without even being a part of the nine.
I would like to point out, that literally everyone in Cauldron is a ticking time bomb, including Legend and Hero. Some are just more violent than others. Some things can change, but time favors its original path.
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But in the end, we are Atlas, and we shal shoulder their insecurities, and burdens. Also get a psychologist to help out, just in case.