Paths of Civilization
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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@Academia Nut
Administrative chief: now that the settlements are denser and using charcoal, are there reports of people dying in home under suffocation?
Farming chief: are our forests in danger of shrinking due to charcoal and other use?
Have we developed iron nail?
Trade chief: Do we have regular trade with southern hill people?
Administrative chief: now that the settlements are denser and using charcoal, are there reports of people dying in home under suffocation?
Farming chief: are our forests in danger of shrinking due to charcoal and other use?
Have we developed iron nail?
Trade chief: Do we have regular trade with southern hill people?
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- United States
[X] [March] No, stay at home
[X] [Challenge] Survey Lands (-1 Econ, improved odds of success)
[X] [Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] [Challenge] Survey Lands (-1 Econ, improved odds of success)
[X] [Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
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As pblur said.
The knights Charge the enemy with élan and slaughter it in glorious melee was the standard battle doctrine for large parts of Europe in the late medieval period.
After all it worked 7/10 times.
The knights Charge the enemy with élan and slaughter it in glorious melee was the standard battle doctrine for large parts of Europe in the late medieval period.
After all it worked 7/10 times.
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Well, seems like the vote's pretty set.
Vote Tally : Original - Paths of Civilization | Page 1539 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.9.0
Task: March
[50][March] Yes, send out the warriors (-5 Martial, -2 Econ)
[16][March] No, stay at home
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Task: Caravan
[68][Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
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Task: Challenge
[49][Challenge] Survey Lands (-1 Econ, improved odds of success)
[17][Challenge] Study Tailings (-1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability, improved chance of new insights)
[2][Challenge] Study Metal (-1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability, improved chance of new insights)
Total No. of Voters: 68
Vote Tally : Original - Paths of Civilization | Page 1539 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.9.0
Task: March
[50][March] Yes, send out the warriors (-5 Martial, -2 Econ)
[16][March] No, stay at home
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Task: Caravan
[68][Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
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Task: Challenge
[49][Challenge] Survey Lands (-1 Econ, improved odds of success)
[17][Challenge] Study Tailings (-1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability, improved chance of new insights)
[2][Challenge] Study Metal (-1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability, improved chance of new insights)
Total No. of Voters: 68
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- The underworld
[X] Yes, send out the warriors (-5 Martial, -2 Econ)
[X] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] Survey Lands (-1 Econ, improved odds of success)
also divide the shamans in to two camps metal speakers and normal shaman
[X] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] Survey Lands (-1 Econ, improved odds of success)
also divide the shamans in to two camps metal speakers and normal shaman
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- Actually pretty lost
[X] Yes, send out the warriors (-5 Martial,-2 Econ)
[X] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] Survey Lands (-1 Econ, improved odds of success)
I take it we're all agreed to take 2 Main actions relating to the Challenge next turn - "Study Metal / Study Tailings" + "Study Health / Build Mine"? We should definitely be aiming to complete this in 2 turns, in case of bad rolls or new requirements/opportunities.
[X] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] Survey Lands (-1 Econ, improved odds of success)
I take it we're all agreed to take 2 Main actions relating to the Challenge next turn - "Study Metal / Study Tailings" + "Study Health / Build Mine"? We should definitely be aiming to complete this in 2 turns, in case of bad rolls or new requirements/opportunities.
Nope. We want to switch policy. Some people want to switch to progress, others want to switch to balanced.
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Oh dear. Maybe we can Kick Study Health?
EDIT: No wait, that's Megaprojects only...
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BungieONI
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So I like your two plans. I'll put up a best case scenario where we find that Redhill is Hematite Land, as well as one where it isn't found to be and we find no where to do it.
Turn 1:
[Main] Study <Metal>
[Secondary] Change Policy - Balanced
[Secondary] Grand Sacrifice
Provinces:
[Main] Study Health
[Main] Expand Economy (The Law)
[Secondary] Study Stars
I believe we should take metal when the Provinces are likely to study health because we don't want them to derp it up and accidentally strengthen the Belief. Study Health + Tailings just logically sounds like they are going to find something bad and mix it up and strengthen Weapons of the Gods.
Study Metal will take -1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability. Grand Sacrifice is taken and it takes -2 Econ and gives +1 Stability. This leaves us (after the march if we take it which is -2 by itself) at 4 Econ, 1 Mysticism, and 1 Stability. The Provinces will fulfill the Study Health half of the Study Health + Metal/Tailings taking -1 Econ to do so taking us to 3 Econ. +4 Econ from Expand Economy, and +1 Mysticism from Study Stars. So the turn ends with the stats being 1 Stability, Max Legitimacy, 7 Econ, and 2 Mysticism. So we have a net resource flow of -2 Econ and -1 Mysticism and +0 Stability. About as good as we are going to get.
Mid turn
This will be Challenge related. Try for the Stability raising option. Or fulfill one of the other requirements, preferably tailings study. Generally speaking having positive Stability will be really helpful for this.
War is probably coming from the East since my easy prediction was right and the Thunder Speakers rebellion got smashed flat. The system the Thunder Horse have going breeds more rebellion and resentment however so we gotta watch that closely. Then again the Thunder Horse might also need to consolidate their hold again. At least the Thunder Speakers won't be directly attacking us! With this they can't do that silly "Well beat your heads in for what you did!" stuff they were talking up. Now they are too busy guarding their masters and their masters see no reason to attack us.
Turn 2:
[Main] Build Mine Redhill
[Main] Study <Tailings>
Provinces:
[Main] Restore Order
[Main] Expand Economy (The Law)
[Secondary] Study Stars
Annnnnd we're done. This fulfills the Mine Requirement and the Tailings individual study Requirement. This will take -4 Econ and -1 Stability for the Mine. And -1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability, for the Tailings study. Before the Provinces can act we are at 2 Econ, 0 Mysticism, and -1 Stability. So with Restore Order who recently proved themselves not to be useless (Yay!), we hope they get us to 0 Stability, the +4 Econ of Expand Economy means we are at 6 Econ and Study Stars pushes us to 1 Mysticism. Net Resource flows are -1 Econ, -1 Mysticism, -1 Stability. But this is survivable.
Sort of. It won't be us the kings Maining the Study Health. Instead see above in Notgreat's or my plan, we leave the Provinces to do Study Health while we do metal or tailings (I'd prefer metal personally to cut down on possible derpage). We can finish it in two turns though.
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Are we sure that having a Province perform the action counts for the challenge?
BungieONI
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Absolutely.
I'll find the quote from AN and edit it in. One sec.
Mine is contingent on finding a site. Its build after its found. If luck doesn't decide to favor The People with the half turn zero action its going to have to be spammed.
Useless. Study metal/tailing must be simultaneously with study health.
@BungieONI
I agree with your plan's idea, but I highly doubt that things will go that nicely. Our provinces are likely to need to deal with outsiders with a few of their actions, dealing with the South or the East.
If possible we may want to get the mine on the first turn, since that way we'll get all the glorious stats that it provides us.
I agree with your plan's idea, but I highly doubt that things will go that nicely. Our provinces are likely to need to deal with outsiders with a few of their actions, dealing with the South or the East.
If possible we may want to get the mine on the first turn, since that way we'll get all the glorious stats that it provides us.
It is, those are the expected province actions. The provinces are aware of the requirements and are thus extremely likely to take Study Health when we take our Study Metal/Tailings.
Progress doesn't actually do what we want it to since provinces won't take actions which cost us stability. I'm pretty sure most of the people who want Progress just haven't noticed that ruling. (I was among them initially as well)
BungieONI
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Here we go every body this shows (if you click on the little arrow in the quote to see the full post) that indeed the Province actions do count towards the Study Health + Metal/Tailings. He actually answered your question @DocMatoi.
Back to putting in my worst case.
I know, I'm working on a worst case right now.
The provinces also have to build enough mysticism to even do the studies. Also if the survey doesn't strike metal on the half turn they have to find a metal mine. You can let them handle basically everything else except the duel main requirement. That is ignoring:
Yes... and if they aren't going all in it may do little real damage or not. I'm personally expecting to have a mid turn decision on this point. Depends if they bounce or not.
At least, it's a challenge, as opposed to a crisis. Although the stability hit sucks.
Yeah, I don't actually expect it to get done in 2 turns, since that requires almost everything to go perfectly.
Here's a more reasonable/pessimistic plan:
Turn 1:
[Main] Study <Metal/Tailings>
[Secondary] Change Policy - Balanced
[Secondary] New Settlement - <Iron location>
Provinces:
[Main] War Mission
[Main] Expand Economy (The Law)
[Secondary] Study Stars or make the New Settlement into a [Main]
Turn 2:
[Main] Build Mine
[Main] Restore Order
Provinces:
[Main] Build Boats
[Main] Expand Economy (The Law)
[Secondary] War Mission
Turn 3:
[Main] Study <Metal/Tailings>
[Main] Grand Sacrifice
Provinces:
[Main] Study Health
[Main] Expand Economy (The Law)
[Secondary] War Mission
[Main] Study <Metal/Tailings>
[Secondary] Change Policy - Balanced
[Secondary] New Settlement - <Iron location>
Provinces:
[Main] War Mission
[Main] Expand Economy (The Law)
[Secondary] Study Stars or make the New Settlement into a [Main]
Turn 2:
[Main] Build Mine
[Main] Restore Order
Provinces:
[Main] Build Boats
[Main] Expand Economy (The Law)
[Secondary] War Mission
Turn 3:
[Main] Study <Metal/Tailings>
[Main] Grand Sacrifice
Provinces:
[Main] Study Health
[Main] Expand Economy (The Law)
[Secondary] War Mission
Technically we only need 1 more Mysticism, and that can be provided by making the Mine and triggering Canal. It's also very likely that the provinces will take Study Stars since we've been told that they like that action (though that's less certain now that Expand Economy is super-powered)
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It can be any kind of metal.
This is correct.
No reports of anything like that outside of actual fires.
This is already being reported as no.
Eh.
Only a little bit, but some trade with the Hathatyn, yes.
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Study health doesn't get doubled to a main IIRC, only having the progress policy will do that.