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We don't need to research. We just need a list of seals and what they do. We ask kagome if our munchkiniry works. If he says yes we send the ideas to the hokage and he has his seal masters make them
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
We don't need to research. We just need a list of seals and what they do. We ask kagome if our munchkiniry works. If he says yes we send the ideas to the hokage and he has his seal masters make them
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Think long term: what does this mission accomplish for us with the amount of time it will take versus all of those man-hours devoted to developing seals capable of fighting S-rankers?
Leaf is currently the most vulnerable it has been since the attack of the Nine-tails, except now the threat of foreign nations is compounded by the threat of Akatsuki sneezing on the village and blowing it over. Skywalkers were a huge boon to Leaf and they know it, but they just lost the Nine-tails host and the God of Shinobi in one fight without inflicting any loses on the new enemy.
They need new weapons ASAP and since development takes months we need to get started immediately. Only Hazou can come up with the ideas for such ground-breaking seals; other Leaf ninja can handle the other tasks and if need be our team can go do the mission without Hazou. Leaf is our home now; if we are serious about defending it we need to do what is most rational to defend it, not bow to Jiraiya's emotionally-fueled orders. We will not disobey him; we will point out to him where we could be more effectively deployed to further his overall goals.
Put another way, why send Hazou, Mr. Perpetual Foot-in-Mouth, on a meet and greet mission when he can design WMD's for you instead?
I was thinking that too. I'd just ask him to share one of his rings with Jiraiya, mentioning that Jiraiya's safety is essential to the team's safety - if he dies on the rescue mission then our position in Leaf is much more tenuous. Any edge he can get could make all the difference.
Anyways, now is not the time to ask Jiraiya for seals. As much as I might want to get some, he's off to bed so our questions for him need to be relevant to the mission we're on. Also, I don't think we should distract him with it for the next few days even if we can send a pangolin messenger with the request. He's busy.
Jiraiya specifically stated in the update why he wants to send us out:
1. He needs us out of sight, out of mind.
2. He needs someone he trusts to do this.
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[X] Poll: "Yes. Hokage-sama." (Do we ask to be left behind?)
We can't do sealing without Kagome or Jiraiya's time, neither of which can be used for the period inside Leaf.
Kagome because his idea of reasonable security perimeters would wreck a training ground a week, and Jiraiya can't have that. That, and keeping Team Uplift's two biggest social vulnerabilities in Leaf while still attached to Jiraiya is just not going to end well.
Jiraiya because duh, Hokage-sama.
As for Akatsuki-killing stuff, our best bet might be implosion nuke delivered by Zephyr's Reach Sling (not the Rifle, can't seal seals) from height. That is, assuming we don't care about Naruto (Yagura is an ... acceptable casualty).
If we have to keep Naruto alive, we're screwed - we might be able to kill one S-ranker if we're lucky (Kisame, Itachi, Deidara, maybe Sasori, , if we catch them unaware), but against Hidan we're fucked with his bloody scythe, ditto for Pain, Konan, Kakuzu (maybe not), and kami we aren't touching Tobi or Zetsu. Then of course, because they will be rational, we'll be killed hard by the other members of Akatsuki, including their chunin and jonin corps that of course they have.
We can't do sealing without Kagome or Jiraiya's time, neither of which can be used for the period inside Leaf.
Kagome because his idea of reasonable security perimeters would wreck a training ground a week, and Jiraiya can't have that. That, and keeping Team Uplift's two biggest social vulnerabilities in Leaf while still attached to Jiraiya is just not going to end well.
Jiraiya because duh, Hokage-sama.
As for Akatsuki-killing stuff, our best bet might be implosion nuke delivered by Zephyr's Reach Sling (not the Rifle, can't seal seals) from height. That is, assuming we don't care about Naruto (Yagura is an ... acceptable casualty).
If we have to keep Naruto alive, we're screwed - we might be able to kill one S-ranker if we're lucky (Kisame, Itachi, Deidara, maybe Sasori, , if we catch them unaware), but against Hidan we're fucked with his bloody scythe, ditto for Pain, Konan, Kakuzu (maybe not), and kami we aren't touching Tobi or Zetsu. Then of course, because they will be rational, we'll be killed hard by the other members of Akatsuki, including their chunin and jonin corps that of course they have.
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- how about no
How do we know this? For all we know they could be capable to attacking Leaf directly while we are relatively defenseless. If I were in their position I would just use my overwhelming force to either crush the opposition enough so that no rescue attempts could ever be launched and continue to destabilize the geo-politcal sphere so that the nations are too busy fighting each other rather than addressing the new threat.
What's stopping Akatsuki from following them back to Leaf and murdering everyone?
But this isn't canon, so we shouldn't rely on it. This is MfD!Akatsuki and they were smart enough to risk fighting Naruto, Yagura, Zabuza, Mei, Jiraiya, Hiruzen, and a platoon of ANBU and come out with 0 casualties.
Or we have no real idea what they plan to do in character, so we can't have Hazou act on such knowledge anyway.
If the aforementioned group was unable to seriously harm even one member, I doubt with the forces Leaf has available right now, they would be able to defeat MfD!Akatsuki. Even if they did, if they do not kill enough members the organization can simply come back and rofl-stomp Leaf to take Naruto again.
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Because they'll be following a prepared, motivated sealmaster onto prepared ground without hostages. What's the number one rule again?
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- how about no
Well then we can have Hazou stay at a sealing facility outside of Konoha and send the rest of the team on the mission. So long as Hazou goes full hermit and has everything delivered to him so he can maximize his studying and sealing time he won't have time to make a political nuisance out of himself. Jiraiya still gets his trusted team to do the mission and Hazou gets "a couple weeks" to get started on nothing but seals.
Win-win, imo.
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It was clearly a planned ambush - they attacked just as the fight was ending (rather suspicious) and then used their forces to mop up a tired batch of enemies that had killed at least two S-Rank assets, including the God of Shinobi. Mist and Leaf were also probably busy taking attacks of opportunity at each other rather than focusing on the more dangerous enemy. But yes, the MfD!Akatsuki ROFLstomping Leaf is a much bigger issue.
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Rule #1 is that you never engage a sealmaster on prepared ground, true.
However,
Rule #0 is that if you're S-rank, the other rules don't normally apply to you.
Another thing to keep in mind was that Shikaku was highly concerned about ninjas using Skywalkers to launch suicide bombing runs on Konoha. MfD!Akatsuki has Deidara confirmed to have flying dragon-mounts of some kind and he is still an explosives expert.
We need to prepare as much as we can while we can.
Point of order on a couple of things.
If that's actually the case, why in the world are you arguing for Hazou to stay in the doomed village? We'll be out of town for a few weeks and either Akatsuki swoops in and destroys it in its period of weakness (in which case, whew, dodged that bullet) or they didn't and it's safe to come back.
Okay now, let's remember how carefully they picked their moment. The Mist and Leaf sides had just had a long throwdown during which Hiruzen, Mei, and Zabuza were already dead. Everyone still alive had no doubt been spending their chakra like water and already thrown everything they had into the fight.
That's a hell of a lot different from attacking the same group while they were fresh.
Ahem.
Jiraiya was fighting one-on-two, already exhausted from killing Mei, and he still wounded both his opponents before they retreated without taking any apparent injuries himself. I think there's a decent chance that Akatsuki retreated because they knew if they kept fighting then Jiraiya would kill at least some of them before he went down. He's the most dangerous ninja in the world.
If that's actually the case, why in the world are you arguing for Hazou to stay in the doomed village? We'll be out of town for a few weeks and either Akatsuki swoops in and destroys it in its period of weakness (in which case, whew, dodged that bullet) or they didn't and it's safe to come back.
Okay now, let's remember how carefully they picked their moment. The Mist and Leaf sides had just had a long throwdown during which Hiruzen, Mei, and Zabuza were already dead. Everyone still alive had no doubt been spending their chakra like water and already thrown everything they had into the fight.
That's a hell of a lot different from attacking the same group while they were fresh.
Ahem.
Jiraiya was fighting one-on-two, already exhausted from killing Mei, and he still wounded both his opponents before they retreated without taking any apparent injuries himself. I think there's a decent chance that Akatsuki retreated because they knew if they kept fighting then Jiraiya would kill at least some of them before he went down. He's the most dangerous ninja in the world.
*checks thread briefly*
Okay, looks like we're going on the mission then. For those that wanted R&Ding, how does this sound?
"Give me a list of 5-10 interesting seals - just their names and functions, I don't need to research them - and I'll probably have a shiny new 'just turn them upside down' for you when we get back."
Okay, looks like we're going on the mission then. For those that wanted R&Ding, how does this sound?
"Give me a list of 5-10 interesting seals - just their names and functions, I don't need to research them - and I'll probably have a shiny new 'just turn them upside down' for you when we get back."
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This makes sense and might be acceptable. On reflection, I'm not actually worried too much about safety as long as we can use Skywalkers, and make it priority one to disengage and regroup if anything unexpected happens.
Personally I think we could request that list later through Pangolin messenger, preferably after Jiraiya has reported on the results of the rescue mission. Right now he's tired, impatient, and begrudgingly about to go to get some sleep. It's not really the time to ask. I get that we've all got a thing for wanting to have stuff to engineer with, but it's not that essential that we get some stuff to work with right now.
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Through pangolin messenger means we get it about the time we're supposed to be on our way back.
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Jiraiya doesn't have to give us the list, just point us to a person who can give us a good list.
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Need to strategize more imo.
[X] Poll: "Yes. Hokage-sama." (Do we ask to be left behind?)
That's provided there isn't already a Pangolin stationed in the Toad's territory, which there might be given we previously instructed that in regards to the Capybara mission. @eaglejarl, @OliWhail, @Velorien - should there be a Pangolin messenger with the Toads to facilitate communication currently?
It's 1AM and a lot of those people are either super busy with the shit that just went down or are asleep, and we have only two hours to prep for the mission. Getting seal specs is not mission prep, as much as we might like it to be. I think we'll just need to settle for what we've got already, or perhaps Kagome has a few seals in his arsenal that he hasn't shown us.
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Because Leaf is our best bet to fight Akatsuki and win. Without them we are back on the road on our own, except now we know that there is a group of S-rankers roaming around as well. On a meta-level, I get the feeling that if Akatsuki wins we get a Bad End. R&D will take months and every day is precious in this time of crisis. Leaf is going to stay in this vulnerable state until they gain some new advantage, like how Skywalkers amplified their strength before. Akarsuki is most likely resting and recuperating right now, so starting right away on research makes us as safe as possible in the long run. The danger only increases with time since they have more S-rankers than us unless we do something immediately to counteract that advantage.
Leaf has one S-ranker that we know of at the moment: Jiraiya. Maybe the clan-heads could help in an all out fight against Akatsuki, but MfD!Akatsuki, as you pointed out, is smart enough to know when to attack. If we do not start to develop the means to fight them on our terms we surrender the initiative to them indefinitely. Waiting to be attacked by a group of S-rankers is eventual suicide.
Key word is "seriously"; I should have been more exact.
Both of them were healthy enough to retreat with their allies and I suspect that if Jiraiya thought he had maimed either of them he would have said so. Two non-permanently debilitating injuries doesn't do us much good when they wiped out the majority of our most powerful ninjas in a single confrontation. Jiraiya may be powerful (I'm skeptical if he is the #1 ninja in the world) but he is still only one man and now he will be weighed down by the ordeals of political office. He doesn't have as much time to focus on personal preparation for their next confrontation as each member of MfD!Akatsuki has which will also add up the longer we don't have the means to kill them.
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- Yes.
Current version of plan is below. I am requesting help for the ORANGE text since it is all talky stuff and I'm shit at that. I want to make sure that:
Note: I will NOT be adding the "ask Jiraiya for seals" thing since it seems a controversial topic and I don't wanna add stuff in the last <10 hours.
- Our asking for the Bird Summon doesn't break secrecy (Minami/Akane probably do not have clearance on this).
- Our asking for the Bird Summon isn't coded to annoy Jiraiya.
- Our apology doesn't insult Jiraiya/Konoha by apologizing badly, or worded in a way that can be construed against him.
- Our talk with Mari doesn't make her sad. Or worried. Or angry. Or -insert negative emotion here-.
Note: I will NOT be adding the "ask Jiraiya for seals" thing since it seems a controversial topic and I don't wanna add stuff in the last <10 hours.
Who's Nakaruma, and why are we asking for Bird summon info?
Edit: There is probably a standard way of discussing classified info. Maybe, "I want to discuss classified info, but Akane and Minami are not cleared?"
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I have no idea how many S-rankers or near S-rankers Leaf has, and neither do you. We know Gai exists, and in canon he's capable of fighting at the Kage level when he opens the gates. It seems likely to me that Kakashi exists, simply because I don't know why the character would be dropped from the setting. Tsunade? No idea.
And while MfD!Akatsuki might be "smart enough to know who to attack" when it comes to brains Leaf has Shikaku Nara on their side. They caught him off-guard once. They will not do so twice.
A non-permanently rehabilitating injury can still leave you with a malus for months.
That's fine, but ultimately I don't share your belief that Hazou can sealcraft a solution if only given enough time. If nothing else, he needs to better understand his opponents.
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I will not be voting for any plan that can't take the time to ask someone for a list of useful seals that we can likely munchkin to worldbreaking affect. I'm sorry; this is just ridiculous. Probably the only reason we haven't done this already is just that we didn't have the clearance as we weren't Leaf-nin, and even then we should have considered this long ago.