@faflec - I still think we should add showing the Macerator + Burning Log combo to Jiraiya. It's not such a big explosion that any Watchers would have an issue with it. At most it's just a big fireball somewhat larger than an explosive tag's explosion would be, and would probably be around the level of a B-rank fire jutsu or something. So, something like this...
  • Fireball: Show Jiraiya what happens when you put a partially burning log inside a Macerator.
It would have a lot of uses. Jiraiya sometimes uses fire element jutsu in conjunction with Toad oil, so this would give him a way to do so without using his own chakra, letting him save it for other things. Also, imagine what a wind element user could do with it to enhance their techniques - could be useful for Naruto, if he's still a wind element user like in canon.
 
Changes made.

@Enjou You're going to have to convince me about the Macerator + Burning Log thing. I don't think the Watchers might take notice but do think Jiraiya will realize that if we added more logs the corresponding fireball would make the Watchers take notice. Very risk-averse to showing this, since the benefits (cool fireball seal, J-man probably has them) don't outweigh the costs (J-man realizes we didn't really take to heart his Watchers talk) FMPOV.

[X] Action Plan: Much Ado About Nothing

  • Ask Kagome follow-up questions before we head back.
    • IF we already went back, skip this part and ask him the questions later.
    • Sources of information (let Mari-sensei ask these questions):
      • What kind of records Kagome is basing his reasoning on, exactly? What kind of intel did he have access to?
      • How far into the past stretch the 'ancient' records Kagome was talking about?
    • What are...
      • Whirlpool revenants?
      • Akatsuki?
      • Hidden Depths?
      • Damnbeasts?
      • Gaki?
      • Leaf's Tailed Beast Breeding Programme?
    • Follow-up questions:
      • Why did the Sage create the Summoning Realm? Why ban seals there?
      • How did the Whirlpool experiments get leaked, and why wasn't it defended properly (surely the Sage could have subdued a wild Tailed Beast...)?
      • How did some lupchanzen end up working for Hidden Villages, when some of them (Cloud, Mist) are responsible for Whirlpool's destruction? Why wouldn't they all end up working for Leaf (since the Sage/his brother were also part of the experiments)?
        • For that matter, why haven't the Sage/Dummy reeled the lupchanz in?
      • If the Sage/his brother weren't sealmasters, how was sealcrafting started & who were its first masters (before Nishimura)?
      • Does he know what chakra is, how the Sage got it and gave it to everyone? What was the world like before chakra?
      • Why does Leaf use scorch squads if the Sage is all about peace?
  • Visit Dr. Yakushi.
    • Ask Noburi if he wants to revisit Dr. Yakushi while we're out.
      • Remind him we're still his minion for a research project.
      • Ask if he's got an idea ready. If not, suggest:
      • Learn how to use medical ninjutsu using water as a vector.
      • Have a discussion about how some diseases can only be caught once and suggest that maybe similar but less deadly diseases might also grant this protection.
    • Check with Jiraiya beforehand if he has any objections. Ask if he can schedule the meeting if needed.
    • Go with Noburi and our escort.
      • Thank him for taking care of Akane and getting her back on her feet.
      • Apologize for our earlier paranoia. We were in a very stressful situation and it affected our judgement.
      • If he asks about further looking at our bloodlines, politely tell him that he'd need to discuss the matter with Jiraiya.
  • Get lunch with Shikamaru.
    • Check with Jiraiya beforehand if he has any objections. See if he can contact the Nara (or if we should do this ourselves).
    • Learn basics of Nara Sign Language (if we haven't already):
      • Do this before lunch with Shikamaru.
      • Ask Minami if it would be possible for Hazou to learn (or if it's a clan secret kinda thing), and further if she would be willing to teach him the basics (this shouldn't take long given the Iron Nerve).
      • Earning the Nara's respect as fellows intellectually and showing willingness to learn their ways (at least, those they are willing to share) would be advantageous.
    • Make sure we've read more of Yumehara's History beforehand. Brush up.
    • General goals:
      • Avoid getting too excitable, but Hazou did enjoy the reading.
      • Use Nara sign language that Minami taught (assuming it is appropriate to use) while discussing it. Express interest in learning more.
      • Make sure to not reveal sensitive information about our recent actions (e.g., Skywalkers).
  • Sealing with Jiraiya:
    • Confirm with Jiraiya that we'll do seal research tomorrow afternoon (as he suggested). Ask:
      • Where we'd go for testing, and if we can set up proper sealing defenses beforehand (if applicable).
        • Use the Kagome Gold Standard™ if we set them up.
      • If our shopping list is OK, and (if he knows) where we'd get them:
        • If Jiraiya wants us to do shopping, we do so before heading to the hospital.
          • Invisible ink.
          • Extra (normal) ink and paper.
          • Supplies for Macerator testing.
            • Smoke Bombs: Ash, talc,...
            • Scent Bombs: Scented oils.
            • Pepper-Balls: Pepper, chilies,...
            • Flashbangs: Soft, white-hot metal.
    • When Jiraiya arrives, start testing.
      • Note: When infusing, have clones ready to Kawarimi us out of sealing failures.
      • Invisible ink seals (use the most basic seal we can make).
      • Macerator variants.
        • Smoke Bomb: Fill with ash or talc, mostly annoying.
        • Scent Bomb: Fill with scented oils or other similar materials.
          • Border patrols and other similar groups given these could tag a more powerful enemy and run, allowing more powerful teams with good noses to find them more easily.
        • Crowd Control: Fill with peppers, chilies or other skin or eye irritants.
          • Useful for disbanding/disabling groups of ninja.
          • Could provide a good way for temporary area denial with minimal property damage, or for crowd dispersal.
        • Flashbang: Fill with small amount of soft, white-hot metal.
          • Probably a bit difficult to get right, but it should fill the air with a large pile of glowing dust that is very bright for a tiny moment before it cools off.
          • Non-lethal, though it might cause minor blisters.
      • Wind Clone + Vacuum Step:
        • Use elemental clones to cast Vacuum Step on enemy ninja.
        • Since the enemy is considered an "obstacle" they take damage.
        • Probably requires high chakra capacity.
  • Miscellaneous (to be done offscreen as appropriate):
    • Read the seal book Jiraiya gave us. Make a note of:
      • Seal name.
      • Direct action (what, exactly, does it do?).
      • Existing applications.
Contingencies:
  • Keep Kagome-sensei from blowing anyone up as per usual.
  • Do not say anything that make you seem crazy or dangerous or reckless.
  • Do not divulge sensitive information, especially skywalkers.
    • If anyone ask, "that information is classified".
    • If someone is doubly insistent even after that, back away and consider calling in your escort for assistance.
    • If our escort's in on it, request that we return to our lodgings and tell Jiraiya later.
 
@Enjou You're going to have to convince me about the Macerator + Burning Log thing. I don't think the Watchers might take notice but do think Jiraiya will realize that if we added more logs the corresponding fireball would make the Watchers take notice. Very risk-averse to showing this, since the benefits (cool fireball seal, J-man probably has them) don't outweigh the costs (J-man realizes we didn't really take to heart his Watchers talk) FMPOV.

The risk should be minimal. We already know how to do it and that it works. The Watchers, who are apparently so powerful that they could track Jiraiya on a mission without anyone on either side noticing and then break past all of his defences with apparently little effort, have not seen fit to give us a warning. (There's a non-zero chance these Watchers would have noticed our activities and have been watching us for a while - perhaps they were watching Kagome, for instance, and have been watching us since then. Or they're nigh omniscient when it comes to seals.)

If you have a concern about Jiraiya saying we haven't taken his advice to heart, then the proper response is to show him what we have already developed and ask him for his advice on whether or not it should be used, expressing our concerns in the 'bigger explosion' department. There is not much chance for harm in asking the older, wiser sealmaster his opinion under controlled conditions, and then basing our future actions around his advice. Also, if the Watchers are watching us right now, then them seeing us ask Jiraiya about concerns of "Will this be a problem?", "Should I not use this?", and "Should we avoid taking this concept further?" should make them more inclined to think we take their directives seriously, and thus will be less inclined to take hostile action against us.

The risk of potential harm or death from being too afraid to use a weapon we have that isn't that bad because we couldn't even bring ourselves to ask Jiraiya about it is much greater, IMO.

At worst, I would suspect that Jiraiya would state that we should keep it as a trump card for emergencies and keep this Macerator variant a clan secret, and not put it into active use by Leaf or for ourselves in general. But at the very least we won't be wallowing in ignorance of the matter.

For the benefit it's possible he may not have a good seal for making a big fireball, or what he has may be something that is harder to infuse (and thus riskier) for the same level of effect. An easier to infuse but still effective fireball seal would be a good benefit, because it would decrease the chances of infusion failures and all that entails.

So, the best option for these concerns is to just add a couple of sub-lines along the lines of "let Jiraiya know you came up with this prior to coming to Leaf" and "ask Jiraiya if he has Watcher related concerns about this" so that Jiraiya won't think we ignored his warning.
 
Kagome knew about the Watchers and he wasn't concerned about the Dust Bomb seal. Strong evidence that it's not a large enough explosion to involve the Watchers, at least on the scale (building-leveling) you tested.
 
Kagome knew about the Watchers and he wasn't concerned about the Dust Bomb seal. Strong evidence that it's not a large enough explosion to involve the Watchers, at least on the scale (building-leveling) you tested.

Keep in mind that Kagome thinks the Watchers are a myth, or a front, even after hearing Jiraiya's story.
 
Mari, perceptive as always, must have understood his thoughts. She gave him a reassuring look and a nod. "It's all right," she said. "Go ahead."

Kagome looked sour, but his fifty-something disguise dissolved into a shifty-looking thirty-year-old with blonde hair and a small scar on his neck.

"Your skill with henge is excellent," the white-eyed man said. "Perhaps you could demonstrate your skill at releasing the new one?"

Kagome glared at the stinking rat bastard stinker with his stinking cheating bullshit eyes, but he dropped the henge.
Just a reminder given recent revelations that an absurdly OP (in like 10 different ways) version of henge used to exist.
 
We omitted the Dust Bomb seal from previous plans because of its power IIRC.

Anyway, I'm still leery about putting up Burning Log Macerators but I'll scribble something out then talk about it, OK?
 
It's very possible that Agent Black already know of the dust bomb, therefore Jiraiya already know or is somewhat aware.

Edit: Given the concern about skywalker using enemies using rocks to destroy konoha, the cat is already out of the bag so to speak.
 
Why are we bothering showing Jiriyia any of our seal variations? Seems like the only important thing is the invisible ink seals

Also I'd like to get kagome to start working on impulse seals.
 
Why are we bothering showing Jiriyia any of our seal variations? Seems like the only important thing is the invisible ink seals

Also I'd like to get kagome to start working on impulse seals.
Seems like a waste to just test a single seal (since it's a proof-of-concept) when Jiraiya took several hours out of his schedule...
 
Wait a minute, if Agent Black (a Yamanaka) knows we have theoretical WMDs from mindscanning Mari-sensei...

How fucked are we.
 
Seems like a waste to just test a single seal (since it's a proof-of-concept) when Jiraiya took several hours out of his schedule...

So since Jiriyia is super busy we are going to show him more things?

Also what are your thoughts on getting a sealing lab sit up for kagome? The faster he can crank out new seals the faster we can change the world.
 
The Watchers were concerned with weaponizing sealing failures, which appear to be categorically more dangerous than mere boom because they involve malevolent intelligent agents, memetic infections, and homogenizing swarms.

J, on the other hand, has already told us to back off on the really big boom stuff for the much more mundane geopolitical reasons, though he seemed to be more concerned with city-buster levels of power.

If we want to go down this route and show some restraint, there are alternatives to just making bigger booms. Use brimstone instead of wood and you not only get a decent boom, but the product is concentrated acid. Use molten metal or glass and you get very lethal weapon with a pretty controllable radius of effect.
 
For the Dust Bombs, they're really not the sort of thing Jiraiya was talking about when he warned us to not make WMDs. Dust Bomb is like a B-rank Jutsu, and even if it's really handy since you don't need fire element or to use chakra, it's not even destroy-a-city level of power. The only report we have of the Watchers' existence is when Jiraiya intentionally failed an infusion, which we know can potentially have apocalpytic consequences. And if we're wrong, Jiraiya can just tell us and that's the end of that. We shouldn't abandon one of our most useful inventions just because Jiraiya might possibly end up telling us they're too strong.

[X] Action Plan: Much Ado About Nothing
[X] Training Hazou: None
[X] Training Keiko: None
[X] Training Noburi: None
[X] Training All: None
 
First, I found out that if you link a tumblr post, some unmitigated fuck decided that it would be a good idea to replace the link url with the actual tumblr post.
It does that with Youtube URLs, too, and probably other media. *shakes head*
  • Ask Minami if it would be possible for Hazou to learn (or if it's a clan secret kinda thing), and further if she would be willing to teach him the basics (this shouldn't take long given the Iron Nerve).
...Minami? A few things: Isn't Minami our non-Nara Escort? Why shouldn't we demonstrate the basics at Shikamaru, then ask him to learn more? He was eager to pick up CCnJ, we're eager to pick up the Nara handsigns.
Changed my mind thanks to @Vecht.

Also, getting someone to do something is likely to make them like you more. Or something.
 
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Just a reminder given recent revelations that an absurdly OP (in like 10 different ways) version of henge used to exist.

Or it might not have. I think that while over half of what Kagome has told us is based in the real truth, there's a good portion that is either distorted or outright false. That's not to say he was lying, just that some of it isn't true.

Frankly, the overpowered henge thing seems like it'd be at least partially false. Kagome says that the first chakra beasts came from people who did the henge and couldn't turn back, but IMO this wouldn't have been an unknown problem long enough for it to generate the sheer variety of chakra beast species out there. Also, Kagome later attributes other chakra beasts to be coming about due to Dummy's problems. Only one of these things needs to be true, and both of them could be wrong - chakra beasts could be the result of the Sage's early experiments in creating the summon realm, as an alternative hypothesis (or he used them as the basis for the summon realm creatures, which is also possible).

Wait a minute, if Agent Black (a Yamanaka) knows we have theoretical WMDs from mindscanning Mari-sensei...

How fucked are we.

We're not. Mari only knew about the fireball, which doesn't even qualify as a WMD.
 
I mean, if people don't want to do training right now, and we're building a sealing lab anyway...

[X] Research Hazou: Goo Bomb
[X] Research Hazou: Casino Seals
[X] Research Hazou: Lamp Seal
[X] Research Hazou: Shade Seal
[X] Research Hazou: Heating Seal
[X] Research Hazou: Cooling Seal
[X] Research Hazou: Magnet Seal
[X] Research Hazou: Locking Seal

We have a lot of low hanging fruit here. Take your pick.
 
...Minami? A few things: Isn't Minami our non-Nara Escort? Why shouldn't we demonstrate the basics at Shikamaru, then ask him to learn more? He was eager to pick up CCnJ, we're eager to pick up the Nara handsigns.

Wouldn't it be more impressive if we went to Shikamaru already knowing most of the basics? Also we can get more information about Minami this way.
 
Wouldn't it be more impressive if we went to Shikamaru already knowing most of the basics? Also we can get more information about Minami this way.

..Actually, yeah. +1 Δ

I imagined a hypothetical situation where Shikamaru came to us with the basics of CCnJ asking to practice it before we even told him about it(We'd probably think the Nara developed it independently at first, until Shikamaru said something otherwise). I imagine Hazo would definitely be impressed.
 
This reference here said that there are 71 kana letters. So, we'll need at minimum 2^7 bits to encode all the necessary kana to send data.

The hiragana consists of only 46 letters, so we only need 2^6 bits.

Remember that this is not only useful for semaphore/optical telegraph systems, but also radio communication and line telegraph as well. It could also be done as a day's work, maybe actually only two hours max. It's trivial to cobble together a system once you have the idea. You just need Hazō to realize that "on" and "off" are the simplest units that can represent information, and that you don't need all kind of symbols and handsigns.
 
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