So JoJo, remembering his adventures as a Stardust Crusader, tricked Pucci into using the power of his Stand on the ressurected DIO again, turning him into a toddler!
Please don't support @Ridiculously Average Guy 's crazy. Remember, Stone Ocean never started because Word of God stated earlier in the thread Pucci got hit by a bus.
In this timeline, Pucci could not reach Heaven, but did manage to gain the power to resurrect his Lord DIO! However, Jotaro could not allow this, and simply killing Dio wouldn't work (since Pucci would resurrect him again). So JoJo, remembering his adventures as a Stardust Crusader, tricked Pucci into using the power of his Stand on the ressurected DIO again, turning him into a toddler! This removed DIO from being a threat, and (due to Dio still being alive) kept Pucci from simply spawning another adult DIO. Before Pucci could kill Baby Dio and simply resurrect him again, the gang hid. They later faced off against Pucci again, winning in the end. Jotaro may have died in the process.
After Jolyne defeated Pucci, she raised baby Dio as her own son since she had grown attached to him over their time together. She also had her own blood related kid some time later.
Some time down the line, either with those two kids or a generation after, the bloodlines fused via marriage, resulting in us.
I've been staring at this post for about twenty minutes now, just trying to make sense of it and come up with a response that would properly encapsulate my thoughts on it. Up until five minutes ago, I was on the verge of failure- and then I remembered it.
Please don't support @Ridiculously Average Guy 's crazy. Remember, Stone Ocean never started because Word of God stated earlier in the thread Pucci got hit by a bus.
[X] Slowly But Surely- Essentially the above options, but not so... all at once. You can take your time. You're safe now. -[X] "We've got a job. Easy money, just gotta steal some silly little wallhanger. Want in?"
[X] Just go for it. It's not gonna kill you. Probably. [X] Slowly But Surely- Essentially the above options, but not so... all at once. You can take your time. You're safe now.
[X] Just go for it. It's not gonna kill you. Probably. [X] Motor Mouth- "Dariaohmygodyouwon'tbelievewhathappenedoksoImetthisoldmanafterIgottheshitbeatenoutofme-" She asked for what really happened, not for it to be comprehensible.
Diego's life ends after an attempt to kill Valentine by dragging him under the train, resulting in his own demise in vain as he is torn in half; although he is soon succeeded by a Diego from a neighboring universe, retrieved by Valentine, to track down Johnny.
He gets swapped out of his universe into another one when Funny replaces him with another Diego. Just say he temporarily retained 「Scary Monsters」due to how much it had bonded too him (The longer he had it, the more stuff he could do with it, even stuff the original owner couldn't). He then abused changing into a dinosaur for 「Lizard Regeneration」 (and partial fossilization to keep himself from bleeding out immediately) to survive and heal. Thus, he regrew his bottom half.
Bullshit you say? Counterpoint, this is JoJo and he's an alternate Dio Brando.
Alas, due to 「Scary Monsters」not truly being his Stand, but that of an infection inside him, without the Turbo Eye to maintain it 「Scary Monsters」eventually vanishes. Hence why the bloodline didn't retain Stands (and why Diego didn't rule Italy with dinosaurs).
You can tell this is a Jojo story by the amount of ridiculous theories being thrown around
More seriously, I just realized something: you know how those pierced by the arrow but without the potential to awaken a Stand, ya know, died? This was prevented by the Arrow being able to sense people with the potential.
But, the Needle? As far as I know, it doesn't have that feature. It means that, when we pierce someone with it, we don't know if they will live or not.
Play nice. For better or worse all this speculation has cheered me up somewhat. It's nice, seeing people talk about things that I might be able to use for inspiration.
Seven. Or Nine. Who's Counting?- You are part of the Joestar bloodline, down to the star shaped birthmark on your left shoulder. Whether you got the curse or not is not my place to decide.
The Luck Of The Devil trait lost out. Gioia's been a Joestar since she was conceived as a character.
... And, since she was conceived- anyway, the votes had the last say in this, and they voted that you are not DIOspawn. The Brando blood is from someone else.
I understand what you're going for here, but Dio's dead. All versions of Dio are dead, by at best old age, on average something else. D-E-A-D in the ground or in an urn or on the bottom of the sea. Very few of them would have been in a position where they would consider having children because the only reason DIO did is because 100 years at the bottom of the ocean in a coffin without going insane apparently mellows you the fuck out.
You may have Brando blood in you, but you don't Dio Brando blood in you. Whether or not that's true of anyone else... it, doesn't really matter. The blood feud died with Pucci, because the only reason that DIO's kids gave a shit is because Pucci gut punched them with the Arrow and said "Here's your Stand, here's who I want you to kill, here's why, (daddy wanted me to do something and they're keeping me from doing the thing so I need you to kill them for daddy's sake), have fun!"
And since he, as we all know by now, was hit by a bus, that couldn't have happened.
You can tell this is a Jojo story by the amount of ridiculous theories being thrown around
More seriously, I just realized something: you know how those pierced by the arrow but without the potential to awaken a Stand, ya know, died? This was prevented by the Arrow being able to sense people with the potential.
But, the Needle? As far as I know, it doesn't have that feature. It means that, when we pierce someone with it, we don't know if they will live or not.
The Needle was developed by the Alliance, not Cerberus. Which means it was developed by competent people, who wanted a safer way of acquiring Stands, i.e, not through an arrow to the goddamn neck, and has the added benefit of the Needles not taking over any facilities and killing all the researchers.
Cerberus research joke, check...
More seriously, there are exactly two people who haven't been able to maintain a Stand safely- Holly, and a 4-year-old Josuke. Ignoring Josuke for lack of information, the reason Holly couldn't sustain her Stand is because she didn't have a fighting spirit- she never had any reason to develop one. Think about it- daughter of one of New York's largest property moguls, probably never worked a day in her life, she had an almost saintlike patience for Jotaro's caustic behaviour, didn't mind the fact her husband was almost never home...
She had no will of her own. She had no reason to get angry, or passionate, or to defend herself, and when she ended up with a Stand, she just didn't have the mental strength to control it.
Hell, even an actively suicidal person managed to control his Stand, because he still had a strong desire- to commit suicide, and take Ermes with him doing it. Holly, by contrast, probably wanted for nothing.
Holly... wanted nothing.
Your friends, on the other hand, have been orphans, in Naples, and part of a gang for most of your lives. Nothing short of... well, people who could sustain Stands.
Out of all of them, including a couple you haven't met yet, I can only think of... possibly one who would be risky, due to reasons that, in foresight, are probably going to make some people very angry, and that would need to be a pretty nasty roll to bugger that up.
Two questions, one of which I will answer for you-
One!
How did the Arrows show that they had sensed someone worthy of an Arrow through the neck? They tugged on Kira's dad, pretty much dragging themselves towards whoever they thought could hand a Stand. Could this be overridden? Yes, by Polpo using Black Sabbath and, arguably, Keicho shooting Koichi. Granted, that whole rolling around with the whiteout eyes could very well have been from the gaping wound in his neck, instead of an inability to sustain a Stand, but, eh, wouldn't be the first time I've grasped at straws.
Answer- they had some sort of pull towards worthy people, but not one strong enough to outdo brute force.
Two!
How would Gioia know about any of this? All you know in-character is 'stick person with Needle, person gets mad cool psychic powers.'
If you start sticking your friends with the Needle, well, for anywhere between 3-24 hours you're probably gonna look like a crazy person, and really, the only way she's not going to do that is if you start treating that thing like the One Ring.
And if you do that... what, you think I won't have her go full Gollum in front of people?
You take a deep breath, considering your options. Some tiny part of you just wants to start babbling away, uncaring of whether or not she understands you, just wanting to get it out and maybe once you've got everything off your chest you might be able to talk about it normally.
You push that part of you down. No. There's no, no rush here.
There's nothing to be afraid of. You're safe.
"... Ok. You... you deserve to know the truth."
You notice the look of concern on her face growing in severity and raise a finger to grab her attention.
"But," you start, "I'm setting down some ground rules for this. One. You listen. Ok? Everything I'm about to say is… stupidly unbelievable, until you see hard evidence. So I want you to listen to the very end, alright? If you walk out halfway through, without the full story… you'll just think I'm crazy."
Daria hesitates, but nods.
"… Two?"
Ah. You. Really only came up with one.
"... No, that, that about covers everything." You say, cheeks flushing with embarrassment that you couldn't actually come up with a second ground rule.
Daria smirks but otherwise, chooses not to comment.
"Ok then- what really happened?"
You take a breath, trying to order your thoughts as best you can. You guess you should start with Wallet Douche.
"Ok, so, it started with this Verde piece of shit, he was just walking along and I thought 'yeah why not' and grabbed his wallet from his back pocket. He, obviously, caught me, along with his friends, and they beat the shit out of me. When they got bored with that and walked away, I left it ten minutes before I got up. When I did, I... met someone."
At some point during your story, Daria starts breathing again, laying her hands on your ankle and sending sunlight through your bones again.
Ohhh that's good shit.
You close your eyes for a moment, drinking in the sheer relief of not being in incredible pain anymore. Eventually, you start talking again.
Eventually.
"I met this old guy, called himself Beedle, he talked to me for a bit, asking if I knew about stuff like Hamon and bloodsuckers, and before I got too tired of his shit and walked away, he... offered me a job. We went to a pizzeria just around the corner, he bought me dinner-"
"Waitwaitwait-" Daria interrupts, "so you just... trusted this random old guy, and went with him to a pizzeria because he offered you a job."
You blink, unsure where she's going with this.
"Uh... yeah, I'm, pretty sure that's what I just said."
"... Gioia, what the fuck? In what sense did that sound even remotely like a good idea?"
You can't help but laugh a little. Really?
"Ok, one, fuck you, no matter how beat up I am, I can take an old man. Two, who the fuck tries to convince someone to come with them with the promise of a job?"
Daria goes quiet, jutting her jaw out in thought.
"... That's fair."
"Yeah, thought so. He started by telling me what my payment for the job would be."
You stop talking. She gives you a look, and all you offer her is a crooked smile.
You really want her to ask you what the payment is. You want to enjoy the look on her face.
"... Alright, I'll bite. What did he offer you?"
"20,000 credits."
"WHAT?!"
The shrill yell of confusion leaves your ears ringing, and within seconds, Cesare is sprinting into the room, frenzied over his sister's yelling.
"What, what?! What's wrong?!" He yells, panic clear on his face.
Daria blushes slightly, no doubt embarrassed about being so loud.
"It-it's nothing." She mumbles after a moment
"No, Daria, it's not nothing, because you don't yell like that for no damn reason!" He says, panic quickly turning to frustration.
You decide you should probably step in before they start yelling at each other properly.
"I was offered a job by a guy, payment's 20,000 credits."
"WH-" He starts, before snapping his mouth shut, resolving not to make the same mistake as his sister.
"What?!" He eventually says, making sure to use his indoor voice.
"I'm serious. 20,000 credits, and-" You pat your pocket, feeling about for the most valuable thing you own.
A moment later, you pull The Needle out. A cursory check tells you that it isn't damaged, thankfully. The casing and button are both undamaged at the very least, which is a good sign, you suppose. Hopefully that speaks for the state of the actual important part as well.
"-this."
Cesare and Daria eye it up, confusion apparent on their faces.
"What... what is it?"
Ah. You realise that you... really don't have any idea how to explain Stands to them.
...
Eh, wing it.
"Ok, first off, Cesare, I'm telling you the same thing I told your sister. You listen, ok? This is going to sound like bullshit, but if you let me finish, I can prove it to you. Ok?"
They look at each other, some creepy twin silent conversation bullshit no doubt happening, but after a moment, he nods.
And so you begin trying to explain Stands while they get back to healing you. Your leg is a lot less swollen now, and most of your cuts and bruises have healed up nicely. You can probably walk out of here now if you want to.
First, you remind them about Hamon and vampires- two things that make no logical sense but still exist anyway.
10,000 years ago, a meteorite landed in Greenland, a place once inhospitable. Early humans found it and discovered that it did something when they cut themselves on it. It awakened something that Beedle called a Stand. A physical manifestation of the spirit. At first, they used chunks of the meteorite to make Arrows, and then, 25 years ago, the Alliance found what was left and created The Needles.
You told them how he proved the existence of them by getting rid of your ability to make any sound, and putting your leg up on the chair without touching it and oh sweet Jesus they think you're crazy.
"Look, look, I can... I can prove it. Because, he pricked me with it, and... I have one." You finish lamely.
"... Rrrrright. Gioia, are you... sure you're alright?" Cesare asks. "Because, like, I mean, I dunno if you're alright, it sounds like you've had a pretty stressful day, and, I dunno, maybe you're just having, like... a mental break?"
Daria smacks the back of his head.
"Ow! The hell was that for?!"
"At least let her finish before you assume she's crazy, dumbass." Daria answers.
"Oh, what, so you believe her?!"
"Not in the slightest, but I did agree to listen to the very end. So did you."
He opens his mouth, before thinking better of whatever he was about to say, and sighs instead.
"... Ok. Fine. You said you got one of these... 'Stands?' Prove it."
Ohh, you're gonna prove it, alright.
...
Any second now.
"... Well? We're waiting." Daria says, urging you on.
"... Uh. Gimme a second. I... don't, really have the hang of this, yet." You respond, an awkward laugh bubbling past your lips at the last second.
Wow, your throat's really dry all of a sudden. You could really go for a drink right now. You look for the water bottle Cesare had, and find it on a nightstand just out of reach.
You consider asking one of them to hand you it before an idea occurs to you. Instead, you focus on that desire for a moment.
I want that water bottle. I really, really want that water bottle.
Something hovers at the edge of your mind, leaving something at the very tip of your tongue. Instead of reaching for it and chasing it off, you leave it for a moment and are rewarded for your patience.
A name. Defining. Representing. Your soul, reduced to two words.
「Pearly Gates.」
As the name, words you don't recognise, English, you think, passes your lips, you feel something click into place deep in your core, and suddenly your desire is granted. Your Stand appears in all its alien glory, and picks up the water bottle for you, somewhat awkwardly, considering the odd shape of its hands, but it manages. It scrapes away a portal, the terminus above your waiting hands, and drops the bottle in.
You catch it, unscrew the cap, and take a deep swig of the cool, mildly disgusting water.
Heh. So that's how you do it.
You look over at the twins and find mirrored expressions awaiting you- both of their mouths are open, slack-jawed as they try to process what just happened.
"... Please tell me you saw that too." Daria asks her brother.
"Uh huh." Cesare answers his sister.
"Well? Is that proof?"
"I... what did it do?"
"It... kind of, scrapes away at space, and makes, uh..." come on, come on, you know this, use your words- "portals! It makes portals!"
This explanation doesn't seem to help them at all.
"... But how?"
"Well, they're... basically psychic powers. I dunno how it works, but it does."
They both grow silent for a moment. Cesare frowns, bringing his fist to his mouth.
"... Wait. So... he just, gave you that? As, what, an advance payment?" He eventually speaks up.
"Yeah. And the 20k is for when I, now we, I suppose, complete the job."
"... What... is the job, exactly?"
Well, after that display, the fact that vampires are created using some ancient mask is gonna be a much easier pill to swallow, right?
The answer is no. Well, yes, but the purpose of the mask after the fact of it being stolen is... taken less than well.
Daria pinches the bridge of her nose.
"I... shouldn't even need to tell you how ridiculously stupid this is. So, we grab this mask, either from the Alliance, the fucking military, or someone powerful enough to find one and keep it away from them, and then give it to this old guy you've known for less than half an hour, so he can become a bloodsucker? I'm sorry, and what's stopping him from just turning around and stabbing us in the back when he gets what he wants?"
You consider the question for a moment. He seemed trustworthy, even if he did have something of a desperate streak. Even if he did turn on you after the fact, by that point there would be six of you with Stands, which, using the two Stands you know of as a litmus test, are going to be awesome, you think that wait you're talking to two Hamon users what the fuck are you doing?
"'How are we going to deal with a backstabbing vampire,' asks the Hamon user."
The look she gives you drops the room temperature by several degrees. You raise your hands in a pacifying gesture and give her a proper answer instead.
"Ok, ok. Look, by the time we give him the mask, there's going to be six of us, two of which can use Hamon, all of us with Stands, against one fresh vampire. I think we can take him."
At that, they each seem to fall into a deep thought. You find it almost cute, how they unintentionally mirror each other without noticing it- they both raise a fist to their mouths, lying the flats of their fingers against their lips, both furrowing their eyebrows as they look down towards the ground. Or, your ankles, you suppose.
Then, as one, their eyes draw up, before settling on The Needle.
A chill goes down your spine as you realise what's about to happen. Even if they know you'll offer it to them both, they're still going to scramble to be first, scrambles which almost inevitably get physical, and considering your current state, you do not want to be the focus of that.
"Hold it." You say, catching their attention, and thankfully defusing the imminent scramble. "You wanna be jabbed, right?"
""Uh-huh."" They answer in unison, almost childlike desire in their voices.
...
Now. You take a step back and seriously consider the ramifications of what you're doing. While by no means the least qualified to gain new supernatural powers, the twins are...
Giving them yet another dick to measure is probably not the best idea you've ever had. Not to mention you should, probably go and talk to everyone else about this before you start doing anything.
[] Fortune Favours The Brave- I mean, you're planning to jab the others anyway, why not get started early? Besides, once they figure out how to summon their Stands, that's more proof right there. Where's the downside?
[] Only Fools Go Rushing In- On second thought, you should probably leave it until you've talked to the others. So you can explain, y'know, why giving the twins stupid-crazy psychic powers is a good idea. And, y'know, hear out any problems people might have with things.
[] Write-in
Adhoc vote count started by Prok on Apr 7, 2017 at 12:22 PM, finished with 220 posts and 7 votes.
[X] Fortune Favours The Brave- I mean, you're planning to jab the others anyway, why not get started early? Besides, once they figure out how to summon their Stands, that's more proof right there. Where's the downside? -[X] But, to be on the safe side, start with Daria. You trust her more, anyway.
[X] Fortune Favours The Brave- I mean, you're planning to jab the others anyway, why not get started early? Besides, once they figure out how to summon their Stands, that's more proof right there. Where's the downside? --[X] Just line the ones you can trust up with their shoulders exposed as if they were getting a shot and jab them as you go down the line
[X] Fortune Favours The Brave- I mean, you're planning to jab the others anyway, why not get started early? Besides, once they figure out how to summon their Stands, that's more proof right there. Where's the downside?
[X] Only Fools Go Rushing In- On second thought, you should probably leave it until you've talked to the others. So you can explain, y'know, why giving the twins stupid-crazy psychic powers is a good idea. And, y'know, hear out any problems people might have with things.
[X] Fortune Favours The Brave- I mean, you're planning to jab the others anyway, why not get started early? Besides, once they figure out how to summon their Stands, that's more proof right there. Where's the downside?
-[X] But, to be on the safe side, start with Daria. You trust her more, anyway.
[X] Fortune Favours The Brave- I mean, you're planning to jab the others anyway, why not get started early? Besides, once they figure out how to summon their Stands, that's more proof right there. Where's the downside?
-[X] But, to be on the safe side, start with Daria. You trust her more, anyway.
Good idea. She seems slightly more trustworthy than her brother, from what I can tell.
[X] Fortune Favours The Brave- I mean, you're planning to jab the others anyway, why not get started early? Besides, once they figure out how to summon their Stands, that's more proof right there. Where's the downside?
--[X] Just line the ones you can trust up with their shoulders exposed as if they were getting a shot and jab them as you go down the line
[X] Fortune Favours The Brave- I mean, you're planning to jab the others anyway, why not get started early? Besides, once they figure out how to summon their Stands, that's more proof right there. Where's the downside?
-[X] But, to be on the safe side, start with Daria. You trust her more, anyway.
[X] Fortune Favours The Brave- I mean, you're planning to jab the others anyway, why not get started early? Besides, once they figure out how to summon their Stands, that's more proof right there. Where's the downside?
[X] Fortune Favours The Brave- I mean, you're planning to jab the others anyway, why not get started early? Besides, once they figure out how to summon their Stands, that's more proof right there. Where's the downside?
--[X] Just line the ones you can trust up with their shoulders exposed as if they were getting a shot and jab them as you go down the line
[X] Only Fools Go Rushing In- On second thought, you should probably leave it until you've talked to the others. So you can explain, y'know, why giving the twins stupid-crazy psychic powers is a good idea. And, y'know, hear out any problems people might have with things.
I mean, they're both trustworthy, it's just that when it comes to each other, everything's a competition.
E-ver-y-thing. Including, you guessed it, who gets jabbed first with the psychic power giving needle. You'd be giving her a straight win, alongside Cesare's now thoroughly bruised ego, on a silver platter.
... Yeah, she'd be holding that over him for a straight week.
As I've said, probably a dozen times before over the course of both quests I've run- I'm not going to stop you, but if you go through with this...
Not once did I make the connection between any of those points during the roughly... no, no, you don't need to know numbers, no need to dishearten you all so early. If I had, however... I still wouldn't have planned to kill him, because I don't plan to kill anyone. People die when the dice tell me they do.
... Could have phrased that better. Could have phrased that a lot better. Not sure how, but I could have.
They have an Irish Setter named Terrence, he's big and he's cuddly and he loves you very very mu- wait. No. That was the Mindoir route.
... Was he gonna survive, I can't remember- eh, it was probably a coin flip chance either way.
Here, however, you do not, on account of barely having the money to properly take care of yourselves half the time, let alone a pet. So no, dog harm is not in the imminent future.
Votes will close tomorrow at 8 pm GMT, as usual. Currently, the vote to jab only Daria is winning, but the vote to... apparently just line everyone up and jam it in their arms like it's a flu shot is just a vote behind.
... I'm, going to treat that one as a destination, rather than a journey, if it wins.
They have an Irish Setter named Terrence, he's big and he's cuddly and he loves you very very mu- wait. No. That was the Mindoir route.
... Was he gonna survive, I can't remember- eh, it was probably a coin flip chance either way.
Here, however, you do not, on account of barely having the money to properly take care of yourselves half the time, let alone a pet. So no, dog harm is not in the imminent future.
[X] Fortune Favours The Brave- I mean, you're planning to jab the others anyway, why not get started early? Besides, once they figure out how to summon their Stands, that's more proof right there. Where's the downside?
[X] Two Birds with One Needle- Be smart about the Needle placement. The hole sticks around so put it somewhere it'll go unnoticed when, down the line, someone inevitably starts looking for people with Stands. Aim to use the needle on either the ears, or tongue. Have earrings/gagues and your healers on hand to fill and heal the holes.
-[X] If anyone is feeling particularly brave, stab as close to the edge/tip of the earlobe/tongue as possible. Wait to make sure the Stand manifests. Then cut off and regenerate the hole-y bit so they don't have to deal with a medium-sized hole permanently on their person.