Antagonistic Appropriation

Unlike curse, Geas is two-way street. What did she pay for with ability to spoil secrets.
I mean, Crimson isn't exactly under a true geas, because she's literally unable to break it anyway. Further, geasa aren't inherently 'trades'. Cú Chulainn had a numebr of geasa, but AFAIK, drew no benefit from any of them, although breaking one of them led to his death.
 
I think y'all might be overthinking this one. Crimson's curse seems pretty straightforward to me. She ruined the Fey's 'surprise' so she was cursed to not reveal any more secrets or surprises.
IIRC she mentioned that she specifically can't mention things that "can't be perceived by mundane humans", or something to that effect.
Which, considering that her entire magical girl theme appears to be information-gathering...
 
IIRC she mentioned that she specifically can't mention things that "can't be perceived by mundane humans", or something to that effect.
Which, considering that her entire magical girl theme appears to be information-gathering...
I think it's less 'mundane humans' and more 'secrets mortals aren't meant to know'. Which basically means the more she learns what mortals are capable of, such as what the various magical users of the Shaded Realm have learned, the less she is restricted. Admittedly, there's likely a maximum limit to this where the geas detects that what Crimson just learned was something mortals knew but wasn't something they were supposed to know...

But well, this makes what Magenta did in restricting how much Crimson could learn about the local magical system doubly cruel. It's also why Crimson has such a problem with VV despite the existence and importance of Avatars and Gods being so known. Because it's obvious that VV, who is an Avatar and thus 'not strictly speaking a mortal', wants that fact kept secret.
 
Just for my own book-keeping so I can keep things straight:

Azure:Ilkusion powers, the trans girl of the bunch, and terrified of what happens if others find out. Has a God attached! Said god is mostly dead tho.
Keep things straight, ha!

Also, we have no evidence that midnight isn't just a ghost so

You probably unmark her down as a dead God until we receive confirmations On something like that.

I think it's less 'mundane humans' and more 'secrets mortals aren't meant to know'.

If she knows something therefore it is something mortals are meant to know
 
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I think it's less 'mundane humans' and more 'secrets mortals aren't meant to know'. Which basically means the more she learns what mortals are capable of, such as what the various magical users of the Shaded Realm have learned, the less she is restricted. Admittedly, there's likely a maximum limit to this where the geas detects that what Crimson just learned was something mortals knew but wasn't something they were supposed to know...

But well, this makes what Magenta did in restricting how much Crimson could learn about the local magical system doubly cruel. It's also why Crimson has such a problem with VV despite the existence and importance of Avatars and Gods being so known. Because it's obvious that VV, who is an Avatar and thus 'not strictly speaking a mortal', wants that fact kept secret.
No, the wording Crimson used was "spoiling that which was meant to be hidden from mortal eyes". Regardless of how much others know, the geas will, I think, remain exactly as restrictive. But it's restrictive based on how Crimson gets information, rather than what the information is I think.
 
Unlike curse, Geas is two-way street. What did she pay for with ability to spoil secrets.

I mean, Crimson isn't exactly under a true geas, because she's literally unable to break it anyway. Further, geasa aren't inherently 'trades'. Cú Chulainn had a numebr of geasa, but AFAIK, drew no benefit from any of them, although breaking one of them led to his death.
Quite.

I have seen claims that originally geasa were a form of "evening the scales" in what we would find a perverse manner. Using the examples.

1) you got acknowledged as an adult - you get a geas, because your social standing has improved and there is a need to even the scales.
2) You got accepted to a prestigious position - you get a geas because your social standing has improved and there is a need to even the scales.
3) you got married - you guessed it, geas!
4) Got a magical gift you wouldn't be able to get otherwise as a gift - Geas again!

Things like this.
And it also works as punishment for ironically the same reason.

You committed a crime, a transgression. You overstepped your bounds. You have taken an action beyond one of your social standing.

You have claimed to have a higher social standing than you did - and now you got to have a, wait for it. A yet another geas!

And that's what happened to Crimson (if we assume this paradigm), she "took a peek behind the curtain", and "got caught" by telling about what she had seen. Thus she provably reached beyond her allowed means and got saddled with a geas.
 
Catching up from a few days behind...
"Her avoidance could just be trying to avoid the perception of being thought a traitor," Thyme continued, "but it's still… ugh. I don't know how to put this. She's not in a good situation, okay? She doesn't seem to realize what dysfunctional, backstabbing disasters her superiors are, but those superiors still cheerfully kill people for the slightest misstep, and she definitely knows that much. Like, I'm not saying don't pursue her at all, but maybe ease up a bit until she's not in danger?"
Nobody tell her before VV does. I want to see her face when she realises Viole(t)nce knows exactly who and what she's 'fighting for', and isn't any more of a fan than they are; she just has a better sense of how bloody messy 'fixing the system' is likely to be.

Sunflower really, truly hated the people responsible for an enchantment so intrusive that it was interfering with Crimson's potential love life. She didn't think Crimson would brush off their ethical concerns unless she had a good reason to think all would be well, but apparently, Crimson couldn't just say why she thought it would be fine. Sunflower couldn't even tell if any relationship damage resulting from blatantly half-baked explanations was a deliberate part of the enchantment or not, but she was leaning toward very much so. After all, what better way was there to avoid spreading knowledge than by isolating the people possessing it?
[...]
Crimson lapsed into silence once more, and Sunflower felt hate flare. At this point, Sunflower had every damned intention of breaking Earth's secrecy enchantment and spreading magic as soon as she could.

Sunflower didn't believe that knowledge deserved to be free, and would accept that sharing magic widely might well lead to mass suffering. However, she trusted the general public far more than she trusted preexisting power monopolies. Anyone who said the populace shouldn't be trusted with power could not themselves be trusted with power, to say nothing of what they'd done to Crimson.

If Sunflower's guess was right, and there's truly was some grand enchantment protecting magic from public knowledge, Sunflower would find that spell's anchor and fire it into the Sun. Crimson's blatant suffering demanded nothing less.
Probably not the wisest frame of mind to take, but I love how utterly ride-or-die Sunflower is. Methinks the Bairns of Falkirk ("Touch ain, touch all") would also approve.

As for the rest of the chapter? Sorry, I have no words: too busy dying of laughter at the interactions between VV and Joy. :rofl:
 
Nobody tell her before VV does. I want to see her face when she realises Viole(t)nce knows exactly who and what she's 'fighting for', and isn't any more of a fan than they are; she just has a better sense of how bloody messy 'fixing the system' is likely to be.
I'd say V cares very little for how bloody a purge of the nobility would be. She just a) thinks that the Rainbows have been doing arguably even worse things as part of their revolution and b) doesn't think Joy is capable of accurately targeting the right people if she tried the Princess route herself.
 
This is just… layered lol, great job.

VV thinks of herself as Versatile Violence, partner to a dread dark goddess, doomed servant of a dreadful and terrible empire.

But.

Her original name translates to Mercy, which is the main thing she has taught to her goddess, Joy (and joy is the main thing Joy wants for Eskarne).

She was literally, visibly too anime-coded for her evil empire and she redesigned her character model to try to fit in with what she thinks she should look like.

But that means she went too far in the other direction and doesn't have any fashion sense, and her subordinates JUMP at the opportunity to give her a makeover.

She is desperate to control her own and Joy's powers because she constantly feels unsafe around any attention not received by her official carefully designed elite-mook Versatile Violence persona.

And she's literally got an Official Imperial Princess Anima Banner that starts unfurling with even the slightest use of her power, and any actual use of Joy's power under serious duress (which is guaranteed because she has the heart of a traumatized Disney princess and is explicitly about to enter the Dealing With Assassinations era of her life) is going to make her hyper-visible, hyper-audible, and hyper-real for extended periods of time. In the Capital. Of the empire.

She's trying to be an evil elite captain in the safety zone she's targeted with her career, with definitely no political aspirations, but the moment her alleged enemies ask, she actually has detailed political, mystical, economic, agricultural, and healthcare concerns about the state of her empire and the goals of the revolution that are more appropriate for, again, an Imperial Princess.

Her character design and minion-sona is so thoroughly purposeful in the dark evil captain department that it's single-handedly carrying the ENTIRE charade. Because she's been dropping hints for ages! The horse girl behavior. The (lack) of corruption and murder. The (dark) magical girl speeches that she gives on entering combat that only bounce off because she was always (pretending) to try to murder her enemies (without using her transformation sequence) at the same time.

"What's the worst thing Magenta actually did?" "I have been personally fighting her for much of my career, but my mind immediately goes to a dam maybe breaking at her hands somewhere else in the empire, leading to civilian casualties and mass starvation." "Are you sure it was Magenta and not corrupt practices leading to bad dam maintenance?" "No, I'm not sure."

("Does Violet… know that she's the only Dark Captain that says things like 'civilian casualties'?")
("Doom, does the Captain know she's supposed to be skimming off the top?" "Yes, Gloom, but she doesn't actually do it for some reason. Gray, make her try these accessories on." "Will do. And the reason is that her vice and true powers relate to bureaucracy… not that I've ever seen her eradicate paperwork with avatar powers, of course. But sometimes she mumbles in her sleep about taxes and road maintenance, while an ethereal voice that resounds in my mind audibly urges her to purge the nobility. Last night she muttered about 'impanel local leaders in congress' and somehow it didn't even sound licentious?")
 
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She was literally, visibly too anime-coded for her evil empire and she redesigned her character model to try to fit in with what she thinks she should look like.
On that note, I hope at some point she switches back to her original colors, either permanently or temporarily. Maybe it could be tied to the transformation trinket? Or Joy deciding to get in on the makeover with her subordinates.
 
Joy: So your life sucks. I can just eat people and obstacles and you'll be crowned ruler of this miserable empire and live a life of comfort.
Young Eskarne: (Nominative determinism powers activating) I am going to promptly develop an ethical and practical framework that justifies me never ever slaughtering untold numbers of foes to remake the world in my image.

RRR: So we want to change the world for the better and are oblivious or (uncharitably) perhaps uncaring about the consequences.
Versatile Violence: (instantly and instinctively jumping to the first slide of her Thesis Presentation On Why Joy Should Not Eat People) So first and foremost all the peoples of this empire are not any less real just because they're a different shape than me. They deserve to be alive and uneaten.
RRR: ???
VV: And in a practical sense, the violence wielded by the imperial state definitely (probably) can't be overcome.
RRR: ...We do win a bunch?
VV: I will provide a practical demonstration of violence then.
RRR: Wait, go back to the first part- Ouch!
 
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I'm very glad I found this after getting reaction notifications on your old MLP fic Alivaril, glad to see your writing style is still strong as ever.
 
Three thoughts.
One: I feel like "is this claim of divine avatardom from the rebel's known illusionist perhaps an illusion" ought to have been considered.
Two: Why gorehorse and not gorse?
Three: Given that Crimson's geas/curse is about things mortals were not meant to know... will she remain unable to acknowledge such things even if everyone in the vicinity does know about it? For example, does she freeze up when Days Dawn At Midnight says or does anything that nobody but Azure and Crimson can perceive, and would she be similarly restricted even if VV told Prism about Joy?
 
One: I feel like "is this claim of divine avatardom from the rebel's known illusionist perhaps an illusion" ought to have been considered.
Even assuming illusions are sound-capable, V doesn't actually think it is real. She's going with it because it lets her fix the Empire, and because she thinks the nobles would use her refusal of the idea as a method to fuck with her. It's also possible that any tests for avatardom exist only in the capital, and so Azure's claim can't be verified for sure one way or another until they reach it, and the law says to default to treating it like truth.
 
I didn't know how purified individuals could stand being blinded all the time; those without a Curtain certainly seemed to walk around squinting an awful lot.
About that.

(All hail the ominous day orb! HAIL!)
Also, teeth. Many many teeth.
Always important to have!
My best plan to date, that of avoiding letting us fall into such a position, was in dire danger.
Ah. I was wondering if it was intentional.
Did you ever get rid of the extras after the whole, 'more eyes might help me see as you do,' attempt?

Joy's embarrassment grew, which rather neatly answered my question: nope.
Miracle of Sound has a song about that.
"Magicians as inexplicably powerful as yourselves don't simply fall from trees, fully grown and prepared to–"

I stopped and frantically reviewed my own words as distress flashed across Crimson's face. What did I say? She hadn't done more than frown slightly at my initial words, so what was the issue with saying they'd fallen from trees?
I suspect it was the "fully grown" bit...

"SHE THINKS WE'RE VALID COMBATANTS! AAAAA--!!!"
I grimaced while mentally reviewing events previously attributed to Magenta. I wondered just how many of them would, in fact, be her fault. With a ready scapegoat at hand, surely at least some acts blamed her for events she'd had no hand in.
Huh. That's interesting... and actually very probable, I mean look, they just tried to frame their best and perhaps only competent fighter, imagine what they'd do to an enemy.

The misunderstanding aura is strong around magical girls, though, regardless.
However, this understanding is nearly always associated with a far weaker status; they are still unmistakably divine, but most of them would still have trouble with, say, destroying the entire Shaded Realm should its inhabitants sufficiently displease them.
This would imply the existence of a second, stronger type of god. Which would mean...
Such gods are somehow born sharing a mortal's existence. Their bodies, their minds, their souls are intertwined with that of their avatars.
Yuuuup.
"They will seem more real than the world around them to such an extent that they can be seen even in the deepest darkness or most blinding of light."

Gray's gaze did not do anything as revealing as letting his gaze settle on Us. That did not stop Us from feeling as though he was giving Us a pointed look.
That would probably be the pointed look.
"When gods and avatars agree to sufficiently impose their combined will upon reality, and enjoy doing so," he said, tone turning bland, "floating crowns will frame the heads of their avatars using materials and shapes unique to that particular pair."

We recalled him staring above Our head and fought to keep dread from visibly influencing Our expression.

He definitely knows.
Hand, this is Cookie Jar. We have photographic evidence. Care to confess?

Haha, they're terrible at disguise, aren't they.
"In hindsight, that really should have been a warning sign," Gray muttered.

"Pardon?" I asked.

"I said that her excellent mood is a good sign," Gray obligingly repeated.
OH. This is him complaining about her being an Avatar, not just him griping about her mood.
we have a homicidal hellhorse smart enough to only give us the death glare when Violet's back is turned
Ah, so that's what it was doing.
There were plenty of little hints, ranging from all four times where 'bioluminescent microorganisms' infested and devoured offshore oil spills, to the wealthy families with members who looked suspiciously identical to their 'ancestors,' to the titanic stone throne explorers found buried in arctic ice.
Yes, that does sound suspicious.
And, most glaring of all, how Crimson's face would tighten whenever the topic of fairies came up. She never said anything of substance about them, yet such an omission might as well have been a blaring klaxon that not all was well in the nation of Dunemark.

...Especially because if the fey truly were fantasy, Crimson would totally be audibly fantasizing about them during relevant discussions. Sunflower knew well how Crimson's brain worked by now, thank you very much.
Yeah, that does imply something odd about at least one of the world(s) they're from.

And she's very perceptive, apparently.
"He has to be at least somewhat politically savvy to avoid being promoted or demoted despite how many times we beat his bosses."
...Very good point, there.
"Oh, well," Crimson muttered. "Guess I'll die."
:rofl:
Commoners weren't half as obsessed with having 'ideal heirs' or generally trying to 'improve' their own bloodline — an effort which, I noticed, seemed to produce a disproportionately high number of morons with more arrogance than actual ability, so clearly they were doing something wrong.
Ha!
the actual historical stuff (apparently now referred to as "traditional color theory," "color science," or "colorimetry" depending on which you meant)
Oh for crying out loud, they've gotten to that too?!

I want so badly to find whoever keeps making us need new terms for stuff and make them wear full-body wool clothing.

On a somewhat related complaint, I'm incredibly annoyed that the word "goon" is now problematic. I JUST WANT A WORD FOR "MINION" THAT ISN'T THOSE THINGS!
I'm pondering what exactly these are.

My current top contender is that Joy has orbital infrastructure in the form of a bunch of mirrors that she can use to focus a large amount of light in a single spot.
I presume telescopes, but death rays aren't improbable, I agree.
If that's the concern, why not wipe the memory of the person that revealed it too?
Because fae are bastards, and you couldn't pay for it if you didn't remember.
But of course since this world seems to run on tropes, there is the inevitability of the infamous 'This plot-point wouldn't have happened if they just talked to each other!' so sadly Sunflower is unlikely to end up bringing it up until it triggers a misunderstanding plot.
More than one at this rate, clearly.
I think we're forgetting the obvious here: a child, even a teenager, telling someone about faeries isn't going to be taken seriously most of the time. There's no need for any additional intercession for it to go nowhere, but the fae in question could still be spiteful enough about the attempt to curse her to be unable reveal things about others/the supernatural that the person hearing doesn't already know.
That kinda makes it worse. But I think they'd be exactly that spiteful.
Unlike curse, Geas is two-way street. What did she pay for with ability to spoil secrets.
Would that be related to her scrying ability? Or in the "perverse" sense of geasa, maybe it's "payment" for her ability to detect it in the first place then?
VV: I will provide a practical demonstration of violence then.
RRR: Wait, go back to the first part- Ouch!
:rofl:
Two: Why gorehorse and not gorse?
/Pinkie/ Because that's a plant, silly! /Pinkie/
 
While it's possible that they're from different worlds originally, I don't think so. I mean, their worlds are at least similar enough that no significant differences have come up in however much time they've been here, and that includes the obvious magical stuff Sunflower mentioned, someone cleaning oil spills, immortal rich people, and a giant ice throne in the arctic.

I don't know, on the one hand it is a bit weird that only one of the Rainbows isn't from the same place as the others (though not that weird. I'm pretty sure that happened in super sentai a couple times at least), but on the other hand it'd be pretty depressing if at the end of the journey they go back and can't find each other because they're in the wrong dimensions.
 
For example, does she freeze up when Days Dawn At Midnight says or does anything that nobody but Azure and Crimson can perceive, and would she be similarly restricted even if VV told Prism about Joy?
This is my guess. The geas specifically says "mortal eyes" so if she happens to be talking to a literal divinity (and knows it) then the geas shouldn't apply. Hopefully.

Of course how long it takes for VV to spill the beans is up in the air. No doubt plenty of time for all sorts of nonsense to happen.
 
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