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Antagonistic Appropriation

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deathofrats0808 said:
True, but my read is that Crimson succeeded in sharing information about it. She did reveal the fairy's game, and wasn't forced to keep quiet about it until afterwards.
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A fair point, but if you're trying to build a world-spanning curse then you're talking about needing to provide a stunning amount of power - if it's got to be active on everyone all the time. If it just monitors for breaches, does a one-time memory wipe on whoever got told, and applies the actual continuously active/present form of the curse on whoever was responsible then that's... well honestly still probably a hell of a lot of power, but it makes sense to me that it would at least be a lot less than the other way.
 
ytterbium said:
I'm pondering what exactly these are.

My current top contender is that Joy has orbital infrastructure in the form of a bunch of mirrors that she can use to focus a large amount of light in a single spot.
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I think you might be underestimating joy here, my guess is she has her own personal suns enclosed in reflective/refractive apparatuses to make lasers.
 
Fayhem said:
A fair point, but if you're trying to build a world-spanning curse then you're talking about needing to provide a stunning amount of power - if it's got to be active on everyone all the time. If it just monitors for breaches, does a one-time memory wipe on whoever got told, and applies the actual continuously active/present form of the curse on whoever was responsible then that's... well honestly still probably a hell of a lot of power, but it makes sense to me that it would at least be a lot less than the other way.
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If that's the concern, why not wipe the memory of the person that revealed it too?
 
Alivaril said:
Crimson bounced in her seat and grinned. Sunflower tried to suppress her annoyance at being interrupted. Aquamarine had a bad habit of blundering her way into conversations, but Aqua at least wasn't a hypocrite about being interrupted as well. She just didn't really seem to grasp how rude it was.
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Hey, collaborative overlap is a perfectly valid method of communication. Don't be so closed minded.

I mean, obviously if it's making you uncomfortable that's a problem and it's within your rights to bring it up but it's not inherently rude any more than the way some cultures consider asking for seconds to be a compliment to the cooking while others consider it to be an insinuation that they're stingy with their serving size.
 
feauxen said:
Wait. Are you telling me that the Umbral Empire is what's left of Atlantis? Because...if so, that's kind of awesome. And sad, because Atlantis is supposed to be a lost great civilization and not an evil one, but isolation does strange things to societies that can't use magic, so add in literal dark magic and I can see how something like this would come about.
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Eh... Not really? Atlantis' whole thing was being powerful and also sucking so much they got the whole island smote (because they were the enemies of the ancient Athenians (which totally existed as a meaningful entity) and therefore imperfect in all the ways Athens had to have been perfect for the allegory to work).
Pethrai Darkos said:
There were some leading questions, and then a mental spiral misinterpreting "signs that Crimson is an Avatar", and then because the wierd soul thing meant they couldn't positively discount Crimson being an Avatar with a Goddess who is just really really good at hiding run with it.
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I'm not even sure how sold on it Joy is. I think she's definitely more skeptical than V.V., she just knows that it provides a lot more room for V.V. to express attraction without worrying about power imbalances at the very least. Whether Crimson has a god with her or not is immaterial at that point. Though if she was SURE there WASN'T one I imagine she'd say so.
 
feauxen said:
Wait. Are you telling me that the Umbral Empire is what's left of Atlantis? Because...if so, that's kind of awesome. And sad, because Atlantis is supposed to be a lost great civilization and not an evil one, but isolation does strange things to societies that can't use magic, so add in literal dark magic and I can see how something like this would come about.
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Of course not. Atlantis doesn't exist. Plato was very explicit on that point and continually annoyed that people ignored him.
 
So Crimson's Geas has several possibilities.
  • She was Geas'd by something on earth for interfereing in a magical plot.
  • She was Geas'd by something on the Shaded Continent (possibly by Magentism)
  • She was Geas'd by something that can be on either (maybe Magentism maybe fae are on of the foreign powers mentioned)
I am just hoping the fae isn't hiding out attached to her soul and treating her life like a meddling executive treats a decent show.
 
greatgodofallpot said:
Yeah, you are probably right on the rest. But a geas capable of affecting a whole world is nothing if not unusualy powerful.
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Torgamous said:
Sunflower is not a reliable narrator.
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To be more specific we know from Crimson's narration that the geas only affects her. It might have been applied by/(after she triggered) a spell monitoring the spread of knowledge of the supernatural which could count as unusually powerful but we really don't know enough about any of those (or even about the magic systems involved) to comment about their relative power.
Fayhem said:
A fair point, but if you're trying to build a world-spanning curse then you're talking about needing to provide a stunning amount of power - if it's got to be active on everyone all the time. If it just monitors for breaches, does a one-time memory wipe on whoever got told, and applies the actual continuously active/present form of the curse on whoever was responsible then that's... well honestly still probably a hell of a lot of power, but it makes sense to me that it would at least be a lot less than the other way.
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deathofrats0808 said:
If that's the concern, why not wipe the memory of the person that revealed it too?
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If it does wipe the memories of the recipients of forbidden knowledge on top of cursing the dealer (snitch?) then it could be about cruelty, after all keeping the knowledge while being unable to warn anyone when they're straying into dangerous territories and feeling responsible for getting somebody's memories messed with is definitely not kind (to people with a strong moral compas).

(Personally I think there is a standard automatated response to supernatural secrets being revealed which can be, and in this case has been, overruled by communities that can and want to. Crimson's geas seems like something a fae tailored to her.)
 
And that was another wonderful chapter leaving me so eager to see what happens when some of these communication disfunctions reach the part of the Magical Girl Plot where they become supernaturally good communicators. Even if it seems like such a thing will shortly be followed by VV combusting.

Faraway-R said:
As for detection... Sure Violet is worried about precise targeting because similar elements can be in place elsewhere and Joy isn't very good at isolating both the element she is devouring to specifically a singular object it's trying to affect...

But. How many Faerie geasa do you expect to have in the Shadowed Realm???
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You know, the interesting thing that popped into my head is... What if the Fae can detect the Geas being broken and pops over (or gets a more powerful fae to pop over through one way or another) to 'correct' the issue one way or another? Because I can't help but feel like Joy would immediately detect that one of the things the Fae are both really good at and very interesting in causing are 'Dark Destinies' in which case...

Well, I basically pictured Joy accidentally punching a hole through to Faerie and uh. Well, leading an invasion of Faerie as the 'Dark Empress' with her team of Magical Girl Companions, Trusted Elite Evil Henchmen and Dark Empire. It was a good mental picture considering what little we know of the Fae here.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Because it's a geas, it only restricts Crimson from talking about it though. If Sunflower were to discover the whole thing, it won't directly affect her (although it's conceivable that it might try and get Crimson to intercede).
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But of course since this world seems to run on tropes, there is the inevitability of the infamous 'This plot-point wouldn't have happened if they just talked to each other!' so sadly Sunflower is unlikely to end up bringing it up until it triggers a misunderstanding plot.
 
Carrnage said:
Isnt it debateable whether or not plato existed?
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You're thinking of Socrates. While there's plenty of archeological evidence for Plato, Socrates famously never wrote anything down and Plato often used him more as an archetypical figure in his diatribes than anything. We're pretty sure he did in fact exist but there are some conspiracy theories that Plato made him up given his lack of published work and the fact that his name roughly translates to "guy who does philosophy".
 
Pethrai Darkos said:
I thought it translated to "wide" or "broad shouldered" because he was built like a brick shithouse and that was his wrestling name. A ye olden equivalent of Dwayn "The Rock" Johnson only all we're left with is the "The Rock" portion.
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No that's Plato which transpates to "wide" or "broad shouldered" as he was as you said, a wrestler
 
Pyro Hawk said:
Well, I basically pictured Joy accidentally punching a hole through to Faerie and uh. Well, leading an invasion of Faerie as the 'Dark Empress' with her team of Magical Girl Companions, Trusted Elite Evil Henchmen and Dark Empire. It was a good mental picture considering what little we know of the Fae here.
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Dammit Pyro, I thought we talked about leaking the Season 2 plans even if it's phrased as speculation! I'm sorry, but Perfectly Human Productions cannot in good conscience continue your employment. Gather your things and leave the premises within the next two hours. :V
 
You know what would be genuinely funny? If Magenta actually IS an Magical Girl on the up-and-up and just suffering from the same habitual lack of communication as the other Rainbows
 
mastigos said:
You know what would be genuinely funny? If Magenta actually IS an Magical Girl on the up-and-up and just suffering from the same habitual lack of communication as the other Rainbows
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I know that everyone can be a Magical Girl in their heart of hearts for as long as they wish, but I also feel like immortal ones that have gotten into byzantine plots probably need to graduate into Magical Ladies or something. They can stave off being a Magical Crone instead.
 
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