Steel and Ambition: No SV, Just Building the Guns Won't Make for a Successful Business. You Need More!

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[x]Plan Honest Councel

We are being awfully rude to the emperor here and might get on his shit list but he did ask for truth
I mean put yourself in miki shoes.

His family was killed by the shogunate and the emperor is not… being very receptive to him.

Even though Miki and company are in the precense of the most powerful person in the nation... they are also not doing anything that isn't epxected of them. Miki, for all his intelligence, and the knowladge that we do have. is still a child. A very well educated and trained one in terms of engineering, and certian ideas.

But still a child. it is expected for him to be rude. Hell since he is a back woods blacksmiths son, him not being rude would raise more eyebrows then not.
nah, just rebute back he asked us and to speak falsehood to his face would be true heresy and traitorism
The funny thing is, I actually almost gave an option to lie to him, until I thought, wait, that is stupid.

And then just made it a write in.
 
I think a longwinded speech on the state of the world is the wrong thing for a 10yo to say to the Emperor of Japan.

Especially if it touches on topics he did not ask about.
Going to have to agree with this. Looking at the leading vote it doesn't seem to be something an actual 10 year old would say but a full grown adult. Don't mean to be insulting but giving off the impression that if you asked someone about those lines to guess how old they were can't help but think that they more than likely be pretty surprised that it would be coming from a ten year old. If our MC was say something like 16 or at least an actual teenager I wouldn't see it as nearly as much an issue.

A big issue I see with child MCs is that it seems that players often play them as if they are playing someone much older. I think people really need to remember, no accept that our MC is literally a ten year old and not force him to act way older than they actually are. Because it just comes across as extremely out of place and just forced.
 
calling the vote
Scheduled vote count started by Magoose on Mar 29, 2025 at 11:43 AM, finished with 36 posts and 28 votes.

  • [x]Plan Honest Councel
    [X] "A copied rifle will never be enough. We must take their craft, their wisdom, and their knowledge then we must master it with our own merits in order for our people to forge the future. Whether that future is expelling the foreigners, bending them to Nippon's will, or forming bonds of brotherhood can only be determined by your wisdom."
    -[X] "In the end our Home's victory can not be in numbers but in the quality of our crafts and our people."
    [X] The barbarians are more numerous, with more rifles. Their own smiths will improve. The only way to truly defeat the barbarians is with weapons so much better than foreign rifles, that their greater numbers will not matter. It will not be decided by how skillfully one can swing a blade, but by how quickly and how accurately the guns can fire.
    [X] Abstained.
    [X]Hai
    [X] Nothing is simple. Just one gun will not do. Right now they are on the path to progress. Maybe somewhere out there they are working their forges in a direction. We can look back at the waring clan period and see clans trying to one up each other constantly. There might be the same competition happening out there in far off lands. We will need to look outwards with our our eyes. Learn how far these barbarians will go and how they act. Then we gain power. We consolidate, then we lead.
    [x]Plan Honest Council
 
Going to have to agree with this. Looking at the leading vote it doesn't seem to be something an actual 10 year old would say but a full grown adult. Don't mean to be insulting but giving off the impression that if you asked someone about those lines to guess how old they were can't help but think that they more than likely be pretty surprised that it would be coming from a ten year old. If our MC was say something like 16 or at least an actual teenager I wouldn't see it as nearly as much an issue.

A big issue I see with child MCs is that it seems that players often play them as if they are playing someone much older. I think people really need to remember, no accept that our MC is literally a ten year old and not force him to act way older than they actually are. Because it just comes across as extremely out of place and just forced.
...

(looks at rolls done behind the curtian. and shakes my head at it)

I mean... or you could just, trust me a little bit. see how I actually you know... do?
 
[X] I honestly don't know. I am not father. Of the savages weapons I know only this one rifle. But to simply expel them sounds, wishful. They have their own, and know them better. We would need more, I think.

I think this sounds sufficiently child-like to satisfy the voters while still keeping the spirit of a young boy whose walked away from his fathers last stand and been aged by that hardship.
 
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Death has Come Part 4: Truth and Power New
Death has Come Part 4: Truth and Power:

You pondered the Emperor's question carefully, weighing each thought as though forging steel in your mind's fire.

"Do you believe the barbarians can be defeated? Do you believe that I can simply expel them if I had that so-called rifle you speak of?"

It was not a simple question, and so it did not warrant a simple answer. A weapon,like any tool, was only as strong as the hands that wielded it. A plow, a hammer, a firearm... each had its purpose, but none acted of their own accord. A rifle, no matter how advanced, could not single-handedly change the tides of history.

And yet, that very truth led you to your answer.

You exhaled slowly and then spoke with unshaken certainty. "No."

The word was a spark that set the room ablaze. The hush that followed was thick, suffocating, as though you had drawn a blade against the very air itself. Eyes widened. Murmurs spread like ripples through a still pond.

But the Emperor? He was neither shocked nor insulted. His gaze remained fixed upon you, filled with something other than anger, curiosity. Expectation.

"Expand."

You swallowed, gathering your thoughts. The answer lay in the ledgers and books your father had studied, the catalogs of foreign weapons, the sheer overwhelming proof of what lay beyond Japan's shores. The weapons of the barbarians were not just tools, they were symbols of something greater.

"Because we are not merely fighting a physical force," you said, voice steady. "We are fighting an idea."

A deeper stillness fell over the court. Even those who had been whispering now turned their full attention to you.

"And you and your council wish to fight not only the barbarians in a force of arms we know that even with all the power of their technology, we recreate, we will lose…"

"Defeatist!" someone spat.

"Treasonous words!" another hissed. The court erupted into angry voices, their fury rising like a tide ready to drown you.

And yet, the Emperor merely lifted his hand.

Silence returned as swiftly as it had broken.

"You speak like one who has studied the world," he mused, eyes unreadable. "Yet you are no noble. You have never left this country. You have never even spoken to a foreigner." A pause, measured. "And yet… You attempted to give me council when I had nothing but the greatest minds in all of Japan. You A Child knows better then all the great men of my court?"

That made you smirk. Something he did not really understand from you. "You asked for the truth. And honesty. My father taught me to always give honest council when asked. If nothing else. As for my knowledge. all I have is what I gained from reading and listening to my father. Nothing more."

"He should have also told you… that sometimes the truth must be cloaked in a web of lies." The Emperor then raised his hand. "You will leave. And I pray that we will never meet again. Because you speak of something, but have no knowledge of it. And any words you say, must be seen as the same. You know nothing of the world. You know nothing of how it is changing."

You had more to say, but than the Emperor waved. "You may stay the night, while we gather payment for services rendered. But you will leave."

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You were quartered in a place, a room that was so big and large, that it was impossible to not feel small. Miriko and Makoto both were trying to sleep, and eat, and you were trying to think.

Yet you couldn't see that someone else was in the room with you, entering quietly as he than sat down by the door. You didn't want him there. "Leave." You ordered.

But he did not leave. "Where did you learn all this?"

This… was not what you wanted. "Paying attention to the world, listening to my elders when it was necessary, and reading. Like all wise people do." And more then a little bit of trial and error.

And listening to your father. He was wiser than anyone you had ever known. Greater than any sage that could ever be alive. Yet the boy who was here was interested. "What else were you going to say?"

That made you smile. "That if we continue on our path… we may not see a future of our own design."

Again, quoting father. "What do you hope to see?"

"I don't know." He replied. "But.., My tutors keep telling me-"

He lived here, how quaint.

"-yet, I have… wondered about what will happen to Japan, and who will lead it."

Something in your mind told you one thing. He wanted an answer.

Who should lead Japan?

Who should:

[]The Emperor.

[]The Shogun

[]The People

[]Write in

AN: enjoy.
 
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I mean... or you could just, trust me a little bit. see how I actually you know... do?
I mean, yeah, you're a good QM, that's why we're here. I know you'll cook no matter the ingredients. Doesn't mean you NEED bad ingredients.

You being a good writer doesn't change how off putting the winning vote is out of the mouth of a child. It's like if I watched my cat give a lecture on how the current economy would affect the price of tuna while shitting in the litterbox.

Like, it's not wrong, but it's still weird af.
 
Death has Come Part 4: Truth and Power:

You pondered the Emperor's question carefully, weighing each thought as though forging steel in your mind's fire.

"Do you believe the barbarians can be defeated? Do you believe that I can simply expel them if I had that so-called rifle you speak of?"

It was not a simple question, and so it did not warrant a simple answer. A weapon,like any tool, was only as strong as the hands that wielded it. A plow, a hammer, a firearm... each had its purpose, but none acted of their own accord. A rifle, no matter how advanced, could not single-handedly change the tides of history.

And yet, that very truth led you to your answer.

You exhaled slowly and then spoke with unshaken certainty. "No."

The word was a spark that set the room ablaze. The hush that followed was thick, suffocating, as though you had drawn a blade against the very air itself. Eyes widened. Murmurs spread like ripples through a still pond.

But the Emperor? He was neither shocked nor insulted. His gaze remained fixed upon you, filled with something other than anger, curiosity. Expectation.

"Expand."

You swallowed, gathering your thoughts. The answer lay in the ledgers and books your father had studied, the catalogs of foreign weapons, the sheer overwhelming proof of what lay beyond Japan's shores. The weapons of the barbarians were not just tools, they were symbols of something greater.

"Because we are not merely fighting a physical force," you said, voice steady. "We are fighting an idea."

A deeper stillness fell over the court. Even those who had been whispering now turned their full attention to you.

"And you and your council wish to fight not only the barbarians in a force of arms we know that even with all the power of their technology, we recreate, we will lose…"

"Defeatist!" someone spat.

"Treasonous words!" another hissed. The court erupted into angry voices, their fury rising like a tide ready to drown you.

And yet, the Emperor merely lifted his hand.

Silence returned as swiftly as it had broken.

"You speak like one who has studied the world," he mused, eyes unreadable. "Yet you are no noble. You have never left this country. You have never even spoken to a foreigner." A pause, measured. "And yet… You attempted to give me council when I had nothing but the greatest minds in all of Japan. You A Child knows better then all the great men of my court?"

That made you smirk. Something he did not really understand from you. "You asked for the truth. And honesty. My father taught me to always give honest council when asked. If nothing else. As for my knowledge. all I have is what I gained from reading and listening to my father. Nothing more."

"He should have also told you… that sometimes the truth must be cloaked in a web of lies." The Emperor then raised his hand. "You will leave. And I pray that we will never meet again. Because you speak of something, but have no knowledge of it. And any words you say, must be seen as the same. You know nothing of the world. You know nothing of how it is changing."

You had more to say, but than the Emperor waved. "You may stay the night, while we gather payment for services rendered. But you will leave."

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You were quartered in a place, a room that was so big and large, that it was impossible to not feel small. Miriko and Makoto both were trying to sleep, and eat, and you were trying to think.

Yet you couldn't see that someone else was in the room with you, entering quietly as he than sat down by the door. You didn't want him there. "Leave." You ordered.

But he did not leave. "Where did you learn all this?"

This… was not what you wanted. "Paying attention to the world, listening to my elders when it was necessary, and reading. Like all wise people do." And more then a little bit of trial and error.

And listening to your father. He was wiser than anyone you had ever known. Greater than any sage that could ever be alive. Yet the boy who was here was interested. "What else were you going to say?"

That made you smile. "That if we continue on our path… we may not see a future of our own design."

Again, quoting father. "What do you hope to see?"

"I don't know." He replied. "But.., My tutors keep telling me-"

He lived here, how quaint.

"-yet, I have… wondered about what will happen to Japan, and who will lead it."

Something in your mind told you one thing. He wanted an answer.

Who should lead Japan?

Who should:

[]The Emperor.

[]The Shogun

[]The People

[]Write in

AN: enjoy.
I have faith, Magoose made it work.

Also, the person we were conversing with at the end. Did he sound young, perhaps?
 
[X] Whoever wins. Nobody who fights a war is innocent or just. The one who should lead this country will gain their power peacefully. Hopefully whoever wins will let them.

Stark opposition to war on its own merits, while accepting war is sometimes unavoidable.
 
[]The Emperor.
[]The People

I'm partial to these 2 options as I think these 2 best embody the spirit of the nation at that time. The question is where would Miki lean towards
We could do a write-in. Something about how after the encounter with the Shogun, we don't trust the nobility to rule the country well? Perhaps we need new people with new visions to lead the country? That the world isn't going to stop for Japan and that Japan needs to innovate and develop into a more modern nation. IDK.

I don't know, I'll think more about it tomorrow.
 
I enjoyed how the MC was called out for acting like he knew better than everyone despite having next to no real life experience in what he was talking about. I don't mean that in a mean spirited way, just that players have a really bad habit of playing child MCs but not actually wanting to 'play' an actual child.

I like that this kind of thing has real consequences since hoping that it encourages people to actually try to be IC when it comes to child MCs instead of having a literal child act like a full grown adult who has had years of experience. Also having consequences for typical SB/SV protag arrogance where players act like they know better than everyone else while not considering how that attitude looks to other people at times.
 
I enjoyed how the MC was called out for acting like he knew better than everyone despite having next to no real life experience in what he was talking about. I don't mean that in a mean spirited way, just that players have a really bad habit of playing child MCs but not actually wanting to 'play' an actual child.

I like that this kind of thing has real consequences since hoping that it encourages people to actually try to be IC when it comes to child MCs instead of having a literal child act like a full grown adult who has had years of experience. Also having consequences for typical SB/SV protag arrogance where players act like they know better than everyone else while not considering how that attitude looks to other people at times.
Well if you want to see the rolls, I can show them, but well, I was cooking with what they gave me.
 
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