Thats basically my plan its one fully committed to making demon acquisition and fusion optimal alongside a bail button in tv world.
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Looks like its applying just fine?
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I think a part of my plan being popular is that it's simple. I Am Thou offers a Persona ( which is more well known that the rest of SMT ), Laplace and Meta for their good utility, and Skill_Crack because it's kind of the skill card system from Persona. The other part is that I Am Thou was... either the first or second plan presented? But yes, if it's similar enough to yours, you could approval vote for I Am Thou as well as your own.
I'm Not Sorry is currently winning either way, but any votes to not do whatever 'oops, extra trauma for Taylor because her backstory is actually worse' would be nice in my mind.
Good to know, I don't actually write plans very often.
Its just persona stuff is lame because this is ostensibly a shin megami tensei quest, also skill crack is kinda meh on our gun build we have going for Taylor she should be shooting people and leaving magic to the demons, her score for recruiting demons is fairly good by comparison so doing a build that plays to our builds strengths seems sensible. We will still have a supporter in my plan Naoya Cain ain't about to let his cousin/niece down.
Isiri Pudireach
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Btw you forgot to switch out Magnet
Just to point out, do we actually have a way to fight the demons if we don't take one of the contracts, whether Velvet, Fiend, or Angel? Cause, that might be a problem if we can't talk them around to working with us
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As stated in the post where I first made the plan I Am Thou... I don't really know anything about SMT outside of Persona aside from 'apparently humanity is complete BS if you don't kill them off'. So I don't know why Persona stuff in an SMT would be regarded as 'lame' considering it's also part of the franchise.
I already stated why I included Skill_Crack. If you have a specific thing that you would like me to switch it out for, and can provide a comprehensible explanation as for why, I'm willing to consider it. And I don't know know who Naoya or Cain are in SMT, because as I've prior pointed out, I don't really know anything about SMT outside of Persona.
So please! Give explanations! Enlighten me, instead of just not-so-subtly saying that my plan is lame because I'm working with the knowledge that I do have!
Naoya, from what I can tell, is the DemiFiend, the protagonist of SMT 3 Nocturne. He is absurdly powerful, you know how P3Reload had Joker as a secret boss? Naoya is that for SMT and he stands at the top of a series of bonus bosses in SMT 5. He decided the Reason the world would be reformatted under during the Conception Event of his game. Incidentally, if I understand things right, something like him is what "I'm Sorry" would turn Taylor into
Isiri Pudireach
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Naoya is the reincarnation of Cain from The Bible. Cain as in one of the sons of Adam and Eve.
The "Blood of Bel" stuff is related to Cain's brother Abel
That's Naoki not Naoya
RadiantPhoenix
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IIRC, he's gotten over his issues with his brother and is now just mad at God.
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The clarifications are greatly appreciated from both of you.
That does explain why people are voting for I'm Sorry. Definitely still not going to vote for something that still sounds like it would impose even further trauma onto Taylor, but I can see why folks would want that degree of potential power. As far as Cain/Naoya, I'm going to throw out a guess that being the reincarnation of a literally biblical figure gave him a lot of power or potential to grow into, and would do the same for Taylor.
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Yes - It was mildly mentioned in the description before the vote itself, but the Demon Summoning Program contains a separate program with it called a Harmonizer, which sort of alters the metaphysical wavelengths of humans and demons to be more in line with one another, so that you hit harder and they don't hit as hard. Balancing the two out.
Additionally, under normal circumstances, the first time that you use the Demon Summoning Program a relatively weak demon is summoned that you have to fight, and if you survive you Tame the demon, making it a part of your Clan, and becoming a lifetime ally of it. It is still a threat, but much less of one that it would be through a normal summoning.
Arguably, Personas are just one of like... five different ways that humans can tap into the power of demons, and it is humanity's ability to grow that truly makes them dangerous. Normally, they were be limited by normal human limits, but the moment they are freed from those...
Well, they can go and fist fight God and Win.
Someone has already cleared up that Naoya is a different individual than Naoki (The Demi-Fiend, and the one offering a child of his Pixie as a guide to you)
But Devil Children/Demikids are...
I think the best way to phrase it is that Demi-Fiends and Nohobinos are a sort of artificial attempt to replicate the might of Devil Children. All things arrayed, Devil Children do actually have a higher power ceiling than Demi-Fiends and Nohobinos do, but whereas a Devil Child takes years to grow to the point of being able to access their powers naturally, and have a slower growth rate - A Demi-Fiend and a Nohobino both basically roll out of bed from the operation that created them and are already fighting at the level of a young higher ranked demon.
Nohobinos and Demi-Fiends also have natural anti precognition type stuff in their nature that Devil Children don't... So you aren't correct, but you're not wrong.
But yeah, while there are no plans to put you on the Throne of Bel, even if you do choose the option, the ability to get involved in the War for the Throne is there.
Fixed, swapped it for demon communication skill which was the intended plan.
Eh harmonizer and guns works I wouldn't worry.
Naoya would likely be our relative in this and the plot of devil survivor is him trying to nudge his cousin into becoming the lord of bel demon king and waging war on God. Outside of that though he's pretty chill all things considered and while yes devil survivor endings are notably less extreme then mainline but even ignoring that, its still notable that he helps solve the demon crisis in two of the endings one of which isnt related to his big plan.
If we buy the cathedral and lord of bel trait it means we are gonna have his support to some degree, if not loki will probably pitch in to ensure we don't fail at step 0 at becoming lord of bel.
Besides the fact that buying the upgraded Cathedral is an exclusive thing and its practical benefits to getting better demons it also will also perhaps be a tool for solving the demon crisis as the super hacker of the game Atsuro with some assistance from Naoya and his master codes whips up a way of taking control of the demon summoning, cathedral may make that possible route easier.
Translation apps are there to take full advantage of the upgraded cathedral.
Rest is already part of your plan.
Edit: Also I didnt mean to offend its just because there are lots of persona quest and I'd rather focous on the unique element of mainline instead of yet another persona quest(and i happen to like persona).
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Well, there's no "Coil" entry under "Villains" in the informational post, so I guess he did get out.
Even the Merchants get a mention.
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I think he'd be under Independents.
Lunaryon
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Yeah, that will be where he goes, it's just a bunch of finicky bbcoding to try and make the sheets look like the status screen from Devil Survivor.
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Uh, why?
You've got the Merchants, even though at this point in the OTL, what little evidence we have suggests that they may not have even been formed yet (Squealer is referred to as an independent in Glory Girl's interlude 2.X, and Skidmark doesn't even try to call his gang the Merchants in 5.1)
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Lunaryon
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While that is true, Coil would be the only one under his own tab, because he is a solo act. He might have like, armed dudes, but most people think the Enforcers were paid for by the Boardwalk, and those dudes are just dudes. They aren't Parahumans.
EDIT: Rrrriiiiggggghhht... There is a limit to the number of images that can be placed in a single post. This is going to be even more annoying to deal with then I originally feared.
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Will we be sharing the information about our mom with our dad? Or will he already know if that option wins?
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Who is Taylor's mom going to be? Lilith? Athena? One of the Muses? Mary Read? Loki in a dress?
The current winning option doesn't really give any information on what it means mechanically or power wise.
Lunaryon
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You'll have the option to, yes.
If Devil Child wins then part of the next vote - along with what comes out of your Comp for your first fight, is which of the Four Heirs you will be -- Light, Dark, Law, or Chaos, with the runner up being your mother's secondary alignment.
So it depends.
Isiri Pudireach
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Does this mean we can get Light-Dark or Law-Chaos and vice versa?
Okay to those who have 1 vote plans who do you want to rally behind to get a result that aint I'm not sorry everyone who doesn't have votes I have 2 (sorta) whats everyone's else got.