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[X] A gleaming silver visor.

A healing spell, I feel, would not only be useful but also help Shirou mentally. Rather than only being able to stab enemies to death, he is able to protect people by keeping them alive. Plus, Shirou already has the Round Table as his mind palace, so further attunement to "King Arthur" can only help. And further, when Shirou first needed help in a battle of unfamiliar magecraft and bullshit, it was Artoria who answered the call - reconstructing a similar scenario here might, if my understanding of Nasu is right, give a major edge in the upcoming fight.
 
A 36% chance to kill literally anything (except bosses, presumably) feels pretty good to me. We can just keep rolling till the dice come up sixes.
 
IronHydra said:
So when Shirou started getting beat up by those Shadows, he was saying in his mind "I'm about to fail again, I'm about to let it happen once more".

I can only see Shirou- at this point, knowing the mistakes he's made, doing his best to live properly now, to make up for it. He has too.
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We know that Shirou feels guilt over not being able to save Saber, but I don't know if we've had any indication as to what specific lesson he took away from his failure. If anything, the guilt Shirou feels seems to more align with his lack of power and failure to save Saber, rather than recognizing the faults that led to him not giving back Avalon to Saber.
IronHydra said:
To me, it makes more sense for him to begin striving for a more pure and noble route, following in his King's footsteps. But as we go along the story, and sees the corruption and the evils that these ordinary people harbor within them, along with his own dark impulses, and struggle against it in the meantime. Only coming to terms with the fact that they are a part of him too. To realize he's just as human as everyone else is.
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I agree, but my point of disagreement here is that getting King Arthur first isn't Shirou "striving for a more pure and noble route", it's him relying on Avalon even more extensively than before.

Gunman said:
I disagree it makes less sense, because our Velvet Room is themed after Camelot, Shirou was called a knight by Igor and has 2 perks related to it. All the choices are meant to equally apply to Shirou now.
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You're misunderstanding my point. All three personas equally apply to Shirou, yes. I'm arguing that it makes more thematic sense to me that Shirou gets Angra Mainyu first because it makes more sense to me that Shirou has to confront and deal with the flaws that caused him to fail the Fate route, and only once he begins to make progress does he manage to obtain his other two more heroic personas.

Gunman said:
I do not know how much you can really call Angra his natural dark impulses and inner demons when it is something external that was forced into him and is now inhabiting his mind.
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Yes, but the entire point of Angra Mainyu is that he is a hollow existance whose personality is almost completely defined by the person he's possessing, meaning he almost always ends up being a dark reflection or embodiment of the desires of his/her host. Which places him in a very similar position to Persona's Shadows, which are embodiments of a person's hidden/repressed desires.
 
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    • Raku said:
    F's in chat for the destroyer of oppression.
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    We'll get them next time XD. At least this will make for a cool second awakening. We could do it Thanatos-style where Spartacus bursts out of King Arthur's Armor, gundam-style. Or have King Arthur spew black mud, and be corrupted into Angra Mainyu.

    EDIT: RIP getting +5 to beating Kamoshida's face in, in the real world though. Because that's going to 100% going to be an Angra Mainyu voting option.
     
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    Once we've trained up Grit, healing spells will gain a potential secondary use: turning SP into mana. After all, once you push circuits far enough, you start casting from hp! (Note: basically the only situation I can think of where this would maybe be a good idea is if we've almost won a boss fight but the team is running out of juice, and we can finish the fight by spamming magic swords)
     
    Cubbyhb1 said:
    Once we've trained up Grit, healing spells will gain a potential secondary use: turning SP into mana. After all, once you push circuits far enough, you start casting from hp! (Note: basically the only situation I can think of where this would maybe be a good idea is if we've almost won a boss fight but the team is running out of juice, and we can finish the fight by spamming magic swords)
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    But wouldn't that cause Shirou to look more and more like Garcher? I think that would be a problem.
     
    saberbuttassnake said:
    Tbf king≠oppressor, and if the King is willingly being chosen is it really oppression?
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    Depending on your line of thinking, if there is someone above you (like at work) or if you are being affected by decisions that are not yours (following laws that someone else has decreed) then you are being oppressed.

    Even a leader choice by people would not solve this because it is practically impossible to get 100% approval in anything involving people and so there will be at least someone feeling oppressed.

    There will only be no oppression in an anarchist utopian society.
     
    Arthur isn't taking over our body or providing a constant running commentary.
    Mainly did this for the meme though.
     
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