Enter the Dragon (TRO Dongbei Quest)

I think cybernetics in 1962 is a mistake. The technology to really make it effective isn't mature yet. In that case, we should probably take the ask for help power option since we really ought to throw the militarists a bone so they don't coup us.

True. But while it likely wouldn't be as effective as having a computerized network with internet equivalent, I still think that there is still something worthwhile in implementing it because the principles it operates by could be worthwhile.

There is also the fact that under Hua Industry, Agriculture, and Civilian Actions/Rolls are more likely to succeed. So the gamble should hopefully be favorable.
 
amendment to the planning rules: any plan cannot include more than one non-Bukharinist option.
Democratic workplace is the first priority!
[X] Plan: Mostly Orthodox
Decided that empowering the workers is a bigger priority than gambling with Cybernetics.
Still if anyone who want to gamble with cybernetic I made a plan.
[X] Plan: Bukharin Cybernetic gamble!
-[X] Cybernetic approach
-[X] The Bukharinist approach
-[X] Good-old fashioned NEP
-[X] The Simple Option
 
[X] Plan: Bukharinism with some appeasement
-[X] Cybernetic approach
-[X] A cooperative proposal
-[X] Good-old fashioned NEP
-[X] The Simple Option
 
[X] Plan: Bukharinism with some appeasement
-[X] Cybernetic approach
-[X] A cooperative proposal
-[X] Good-old fashioned NEP
-[X] The Simple Option
 
[X] Plan: Bukharinism Cybernetic
-[X] Cybernetic approach
-[X] The Bukharinist approach
-[X] Good-old fashioned NEP
-[X] The Simple Option


I have considered this long and hard and have come to mostly the same conclusion as the most recent posts, despite my early misgivings about the capabilities of 60's computer technology I now know they would likely have at least an early form of command line interface so punch cards won't be necessary for input, magnetic tape should exist so that should cover storage, and most computers should be using transistors at this point rather than vacuum tubes making them much more robust, a lot smaller and far less of a pain in the ass to work on.

As for power coal may be unironically less impactful on the local environment in the long run, or at least easier to decommission than a dam. it's also easier to build allowing more resources to be spent on the cybernetic project
 
[X] Plan: Mostly Orthodox

Cyberneticism sounds good on paper, but it sounds very idealistic and risky for a developed nation like the Soviet Union, much less a partially industrialized Manchuria. Rolling the dice is fine if we win, but if we don't roll well then we risk either a political coup from within from either the military or radicals, or we simply drive the economy into the ground via mismanagement.

The Orthodox is boring but practical, and the highly radical approach doesn't fit Gao very well.
 
[X] Plan: Best of Both Worlds
-[X] Top-down approach
-[X] A cooperative proposal
-[X] Good-old fashioned NEP
-[X] The Hydro-electric Option
 
[X] Plan: Mostly Orthodox

I think this is the best option under the new rules. We'll have to find another way to appease the military later. We were the compromise choice so hopefully they won't be too annoyed with our priorities.
 
In that case I'm going with this:
[X] Plan: Mostly Orthodox

Because I think building cooperatives is the most important.
This. If we pawn of the Heavy Industry it pisses off everyone but the pro-comintern and military. I don't think many would be too upset at the Lighter Industries experimenting with Cooperatives. Heck, they're more liable to fall under NEP than traditional central planning so it'd hardly be a change to most.
 
[X] Plan: Bukharinism Cybernetic
-[X] Cybernetic approach
-[X] The Bukharinist approach
-[X] Good-old fashioned NEP
-[X] The Simple Option

Choosing to use our only non-bukharinist option on cooperatives is insane to me. While there might not be the computer power needed for full cybernetics yet, at least by starting the process of integrating the management and organization techniques, we can have the system ready for when that technology arrives. Institutional knowledge takes time to cultivate, especially if you are trying to do so on a large scale.
 
[X] Plan: Bukharinism Cybernetic
-[X] Cybernetic approach
-[X] The Bukharinist approach
-[X] Good-old fashioned NEP
-[X] The Simple Option

Honestly I like the idea of our non-Bukharinist option being the one that appeals to the military. We massively depend on them for "the KMT are itching to invade" reasons and there is the off chance of them going for a coup if we actively piss them off. The radicals meanwhile we'll probably be able to appeal to and keep on board with social reforms even if they didn't get anything out of the economy vote.
 
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[X] Plan: Bukharinism Cybernetic

Yay I'm super excited to finally get to our first turn. Cybernetics is definitely worth it for down the road.
 
[X] Plan: Mostly Orthodox
-[X] Top-down approach
-[X] A cooperative proposal
-[X] Good-old fashioned NEP
-[X] The Simple Option


Cybernetics? In 1962? In Soviet China?

Revisionists. Defeatists. Wreckers.

The idea is the very definition of insanity. Comrade Bukharin has proven the efficiency of Marxist-Leninism with the economic development of the Soviet Union. He oversaw the transformation of the backwater of Europe into an industrial juggernaut that rivals the United States. The process of achieving communism has been laid before us and it is not currently found in complex cybernetic systems. This is deciding the fate of the state industry. The literal backbone of our economy and society.

Okay real talk, the fact that it's the Militarists pushing for such a system is further reason not to pursue it. It explicitly empowers them and they only want to apply it to military industries. The literal last thing we want is the military dictating economic policy to the party. That's what Brezhnev did and it resulted in like civilian eye ware factories having to be made with the ability to switch over to producing military optic lenses at a moment's notice. The military got first dibs on all computer systems. They will fucking hog all the cybernetic experts for themselves and strangle our economy if we don't meet their demands if we go down the cybernetic path. Let's not let the militarists get buddy-buddy with a cadre of technocrats and bureaucrats that allow them to sideline existing party-state structures when making economic decisions.

The workers are already represented by the Communist Party of China. The unions are party organizations. If we empower them we simply invite factionalism into the party by creating tension between state planners, union leaders, and party bureaucrats. If workers are discontented at their jobs they may file a complaint with their local party leader or failing that, join a cooperative. If we want better feedback on inefficiencies then the solution is continuing our current process of streamlining the administration, increasing funding for state industries and ministries, and continuing to train competent workers and bureaucrats.

The cooperative model is the only acceptable 'deviation' from existing orthodoxy because it is in fact a development of Bukharinist model by ensuing private enterprises are run by worker cooperatives. The elimination of small businesses will prevent the emergence of a capitalist class. Plus it's not like the Soviets allow large corporations to form. It's just a bunch of self employed businesses, family run shops, businesses with like ten to twenty employees, and worker cooperatives. While it is state capitalism it's under a Marxist-Leninist regime. Those people running their own shops are waking up everyday thanking Lenin and Bukharin allowing them to literally own the means of production.
 
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[X] Plan Radical Bukharinism
-[x] Limited-Worker-input approach
-[x] A cooperative proposal
-[x] Good-old fashioned NEP
-[x] The Simple Option

[X] Plan: Mostly Orthodox
 
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