The Enemy Within (WHF Witch Hunter Quest)

Guilty of seeing colours.

Going against his belief in law; in service of his belief in justice, and earning a measure of the redemption from his father he's been seeking.

No argument against your last point. Rikard's nobility is a black mark against him, and a valid reason for his execution. I just don't think it's enough in this case when weighed against the other things.
Rickard's crime is not seeing colors.

Rickard's crime is his blunt refusal to join the Colleges out of his own flights of fancy. Prospective mages can be pardoned their magical acts, but Rickard is outright attempting to gaslight Markus that it is the latter's fault if this comes to violence. Then there's his refusal to call upon the Black Guard of Morr do deal with the haunting, which was getting worse to the point that it was drawing more and more vengeful spirits into the material plane. It shows an utter disregard for the lives of the subjects he was charged to protect as their lord. Letting dark powers fester in clear view at best, abetting them at worse.

In what way is ignoring Rickard justice? Is it just for him to escape the consequences of his actions not even because he's a noble, but because he is the brother of the witch hunter meant to sentence him? Is Markus the kind of man who condemns others for abetting evil even unknowingly (Teugen, Edel, Goetrin and all the others we punished during the Bogenhafen affair) then turns around and does the same himself?

Going along with his fathers wishes would be nice. But we gave Rickard that chance. We offered to bring him to the colleges, we offered him a pardon. Rickard refused and is now emotionally blackmailing Markus.
 
If your options are "Die or be Conscripted", that isn't a choice, that's an ultimatum. Otherwise, we should have killed Spatin the moment we learned she was a witch who deliberately avoided surrending herself to the Colleges, and if we had failed to convince her, I would have voted to let her go or at least hoped that we roll poorly enough that we didn't catch her.

Killing him now reaffirms that Imperial Society's unjust treatment of people born differently is right and correct.

If this was about Spatin then I would totally agree with you. Spatin was the perfect test case for this. Not Imperial, not a relative and not a noble. She was nobody. Not sending her to the Colleges would have been a statement against the unjust laws and persecution of magic.

This is not Spatin. This is Rikard, a noble and a relative to the Templar who's arresting him. Rikard, who already had somebody burn for him. Letting him go free would not be a statement, it would be nepotism. Corruption both in the Empire eyes and Marcus's own.
 
It should also be noted that in Warhammer untrained mages are usually only a bad day or two away from becoming a local disaster. Leaving him alive would simply be pushing the issue down the road.
 
Killing a fellow noble is hardly "justice" when we're also enforcing rigid dogma. Killing a brother, against a father's final plea, is nothing to celebrate. We have no overt evidence of Rikard using any spellcasting- he has potential, and theoretical understanding, but he's also been at home without incident for years. And frankly I'm more interested in seeing Markus keep his family and deviate from the law than I am in traumatizing him as the price of upholding it.
 
So the main question for me here is, is he deliberately lying about conditions in the colleges or does he legitimately not know? Because with the knowledge that most apprentices simply fail to graduate and become Apprentices-In-Perpetuity (Yes I know, fandom wiki, sorry. Can't be bothered to dig up realms of sorcery right now) it seems to me like he's trying to play into the biases he thinks a Templar might have regarding the colleges in order to manipulate Markus into letting him go.

He may not know for sure much more then someone who has never interacted with anyone from the Colleges but I am sure he is trying to manipulate Markus all the same.

Because of his refusal to do his duty his father in a effort to protect and help a son he loved got involved with a Witch who even Rikard says was a bad person who was using our father in pursuit of Dark Goals. Rikard thinks that not casting spells even though he has admitted to studying Arcane texts and to having the ability to cast Magic means he is putting no one at risk. This is a Disingenuous at best when he had a hand in his father's fate and is putting both his Sister, Mother and all the servants at risk body and soul.

Our brother is a arrogant fool who it seems cares more for perceived threats to his Freedom then the fact that he lead his father into the hands of a Witch with Evil goals that caused his father to start messing around with dark powers.

If Rikard could see that the Witch who called herself Etelka Herzen was using his father as part of a plan to enact some Evil scheme then he should have turned himself over to the Colleges for training thus giving his father no more reason to work with the Witch and maybe saving his live. We have evidence in his art that he has been painting Arcane formulas into to his pieces of art so how can we trust anything he has told us at this point.

We have a duty to our Empire to stop his walking this foolish path and to the family put our Sister's and the servant well being before their like of Markus as a person. Maria may come to hate us for the choice we must make but at least she will be alive and whole in body and spirit to do so.

I would like to take him alive but that does not seem to be a option so this is my vote.




Ah, fuck. That's a heart-wrenching twist. Markus is going to have to deal with the aftermath of being both a patricide and a fratricide, isn't he?

Turns out our brother could have saved his father if he had admitted he was the Magic user learning from the Witch but he did not, so Markus is not the only guilty party it seems.

Though you could always just puch him really really hard, toss him over your horse and ride to the colleges. Like dude, your little brother is a stick/nerd and you're a jock. Stop the drama and start the bullying.

I agree that it's a bit weird that we can't try to physically over power him and bring him in but I guess if we try their is the whole loaded pistol in his hands and the drawn sword resting against the table that would make the attempt dangerous at best.

[X] Turn a Blind Eye

There's a point at which the necessity of having laws meets the cruelty of enforcing them blindly.

I would say that it is not cruel to bring a selfish man to just for putting not just his Sister but all his servants lives at risk of the monstrous ghost of the father he let die to protect his secret studying of Arcane Magic. It is enacting justice painful as that might be for Markus.
For all that Rikard is, we've seen no signs of him actually cavorting with daemons. It puts him at risk of discovery after all, so what would even be the point? Their father wanted to hide him from the Colleges, and we know that Rikard won't do anything to compromise the wishes of the father he so loved. If Markus is there to help guide him, then all the better.

Where are you getting that Rikard can be talked around into to anything. He has refused point blank to go to the College and has not given any kind of Oath to not mess around with Magic in anyway as we have seen he is Painting Magical symbols into his art.

[X] Turn a Blind Eye

I hope this isn't a terrible mistake. Neither of the options feels good, but I can't justify murdering someone who merely has the capacity to be dangerous, but who hasn't used that power.

So we are to ignore that Rikard sacrificed his father so he could study magic and was quite willing to let a Monstrous Ghost of his father suffer and in danger the lives of his family and and everyone that works for his family. The man is selfish and walking away will not lead to a go out come.

For goodness sake, stop being ridiculous. It is incredibly easy to understand why Rikard acted the way he did. Your arguments are bad and you should stop making them. Also, your arguments sound pro-cop in the worst way possible.

This is a guy who was so against going to the Colleges that his father went looking for Magic users outside the law and found one that even Rikard was old enough and smart enough to know did not have good intentions and then was quite okay with his father burning at the stake for crimes his son was mostly responsible for. I for one do not find his actions understandable when we have clear evidence that those who go to the Colleges are not slaves for all that studying Magic in a dangerous thing to do.
He is not. All these years, before and after his father's death, and he hasn't taken a single step down any road to damnation. And besides that, remember how Rikard described Petr's association with Etelka - it's something that Rikard disapproved of, that he described as honeyed poison. By his actions we know he isn't becoming worse, by his words we know he has no intention to become worse.

He has not been hurting anyone these past many years, is not hurting anyone now, and has no intention of hurting anyone in the future. The right thing and the law do not match up in this situation. Killing him for seeing colours is wrong.

For one you are trusting the word of a man who as you say could see that the Witch was a Evil person and yet did nothing to stop his father finding the women and spending time with the Witch getting information because he did not want to have to go to the Colleges like everyone else. This is a selfish person who claims that those who go to the Colleges held in bondage by them with no freedom which we know is false all because he wants power but none of the responsibility.

The Fool is putting Arcane symbols and formulas in his artworks that I bet he sells to other nobles and that is a example of spending the years since Markus left studying and messing around with magic. We have evidence he is a liar by his own words and the paintings that are present in the room.

I've looked back at my posts and I haven't told you to change your vote. I've told you to stop making shit arguments and to stop thinking that violence or execution are valid responses to yelling at law enforcement.

So you don't think they are a valid response to Rikard threatening violence when we say he needs to fallow that law and thus also gain forgiveness for his past crime?

Plus, reminder that he's an imperial noble. Killing him would make the world a better place. Ask any peasant.

I agree with everything you said except the last bit as Imperial Nobles make up a good portion of the Empire military forces at anyone time so a good portion of them are being of use to everyone on the side of Order again Chaos and Destruction.
 
If this was about Spatin then I would totally agree with you. Spatin was the perfect test case for this. Not Imperial, not a relative and not a noble. She was nobody. Not sending her to the Colleges would have been a statement against the unjust laws and persecution of magic.

This is not Spatin. This is Rikard, a noble and a relative to the Templar who's arresting him. Rikard, who already had somebody burn for him. Letting him go free would not be a statement, it would be nepotism. Corruption both in the Empire eyes and Marcus's own.
We literally had no choice with Spatin, but we do have a choice with Rikard.

It wasn't Rikard's choice that his father burned for him, he was a literal child at the time and had no choice in the matter and now his feelings of guilt has prevented him from doing anything for fear of making said sacrifice moot. He, personally, is not responsible for harming anyone and he has no plans to do so.

My goal here isn't "Rikard will never have to go to the Colleges" it's "Convince Rikard to go to the Colleges". You might say that it's impossible, but now that we've put dear old dad to rest, I think showing Rikard that Markus trusts him enough is a path towards doing so. It won't solve things immediately, but it's the first step to doing so. I prefer a possibility of change over the certainty of losing this opportunity forever on account of Rikard's death.

Where are you getting that Rikard can be talked around into to anything. He has refused point blank to go to the College and has not given any kind of Oath to not mess around with Magic in anyway as we have seen he is Painting Magical symbols into his art.
Because Rikard is lashing out against his father's killer and has a justifiably deep distrust of Imperial institutions and their agents. He can't be talked around instantly, I don't expect him to suddenly surrender himself to the Colleges just because Markus left him alone, but killing him now closes that door forever.

Rather, I believe that showing Rikard trust and that Markus will respect their father's wish will eventually help reconcile the two and when that does happen, Rikard will be easier to convince that he should go to the Colleges.

We know Rikard won't actually do anything harmful with his magic because after all these years, he hasn't done so. It would go against his own wishes, that of honoring his father's sacrifice to keep him hidden, and we also know that he thinks the witch his father contacted was a terrible person who fed him lies. We don't need his oaths because his personal motivations run counter against freely practicing his magic in a way that harms others or makes him a noticeable spellcaster.

I'm not going to condemn someone to death for a crime they haven't actually committed, that being a witch who does harm. The Witchfinder General promoted Markus because of his patience and willingness to not act on impulse when there are alternatives available to us.
 
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Because some make it work doesn't mean it isn't a very real risk all it takes is one incident and instinctual casting going wrong.

Warhammer Fantasy magic and 40k psykery are 2 different beasts, and it seems like you're conflating the latter with the former when it comes to untrained practitioners. You can't "accidentally" cast spells, because you must consciously channel the winds of magic through you, thus potentially channeling Dhar instead of the other winds. If we take Rikard at his word, he has not done so, and will not do so in the future.
 
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This seems a bit silly.

The Colleges offer other options than "Fight for the state until you die".
Perpetual Apprenticeship, magic-dampening equipment, hell you can even pull through apprenticeship until you are a Journeyman and then just never return to graduate.
They don't force you. That would be silly.

The last thing anyone wants is to have battlemagic-grade Wizards who resent the Empire.
 
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