Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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torroar said:
[] Turning A Bloody Leaf: The Asrai do not disdain Khaine as the Asur do. Rather than elevating the Cadai or Cytharai, they worship both, in a sort of strange wheel of all things as best as you remember. Which means that, while they do not have the Cult of Khaine with its Cauldrons of Blood and endless sacrifices, they do still in fact have their ways of worshipping him. Ways that are quite different. Kerillian now wields the First Draich, one of the holiest murder weapons in the whole of the Cult of Khaine, and it appears to not be rejecting her. It would disgruntle the Asur, assuredly, and no doubt the Bretonnians as well, but if Kerillian can somehow 'convert' these few incredibly fresh-faced acolytes to your cause, you can't deny that it would allow you access to a few more no doubt skilled fighters despite their youth. If they foreswear the Cult they know, in the favor of the worship held beneath eternal trees and dark shadows of a forest born before humanity may well have ever existed. If. If they don't, they'll have to leave. If they do, the Asur and Whitewings will likely not be incredibly pleased...but so long as Sadrina's heart bleeds compassion and Roland can impress on matters of honor and chivalry and the worth of one's word, it is a problem that can be solved.
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In favour of this myself.

Otherwise, good progress being made, since that was one of the two Alyssa had drag off Freddy hopefully its one of the more senior ones she trusts.

[X] Turning A Bloody Leaf
 
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[x] A Bloody Hand


Sidenote but whoreworshipers made the terrible mistake: they are between Nat and Fredrick, like Fredrick killed 2 avatars of gods and ancient dryad older than elven Civil War. Natasha will not become a widow.
 
If we're going to draw Alyssa out, we need more resistance on the Ark, more crises than her underlings can handle.

With the group, Kerillian brings a handful of above average skilled but green fighters and a quality weapon at the cost of group cohesion. On her own she could rebuild an entire front against the daemons and Alyssa. While they wouldn't be working directly with us, it'd be towards the same purpose of putting down Alyssa.

[x] A Bloody Hand
 
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[x] A Bloody Hand

This is more reliable than the redemption thing. And more effective. And frankly we need to stop going for the audacious options just because.

Also as a Waywatcher Kerillian is well suited to operating away from the party.
 
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A Bloody Hand also suits Kerillian in that she's used to operating away from others, and if things get too hairy she can always abandon the Khainites and slip away, or use them as disposable distractions to target lynchpins.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
This is more reliable than the redemption thing. And more effective. And frankly we need to stop going for the audacious options just because.
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I'd argue that Bloody Hand is far, far more audacious than the alternative. Sacrifice a key member to the whims of fate, to live or die trying to rally the most hostile society known to us, with a few tween cultists to back her up? Really?

Keeping her with the core party, and integrating the child cultists, which are explicitly represented as malleable considering how Natasha (a HUMAN) was able to cow them, is by far the more conservative option.

The text for [] Turning a bloody leaf is also very explicit in that though it won't be a popular decision, we can expect Sadrina and Roland to keep others in line.

We aren't trying to redeem them. We are weaponizing them. Those that survive can have their shot at redemption among the Asrai later.

Edit: if Hultressa was coordinating with Kerillian I'd back it. Without her, I can't imagine Cruelbarb, Direblaze, or anyone else falling in with an Asrai and a few uninitiated cultists.
 
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Knightperson said:
I'd argue that Bloody Hand is far, far more audacious than the alternative. Sacrifice a key member to the whims of fate, to live or die trying to rally the most hostile society known to us, with a few tween cultists to back her up? Really?

Keeping her with the core party, and integrating the child cultists, which are explicitly represented as malleable considering how Natasha (a HUMAN) was able to cow them, is by far the more conservative option.

The text for [] Turning a bloody leaf is also very explicit in that though it won't be a popular decision, we can expect Sadrina and Roland to keep others in line.

We aren't trying to redeem them. We are weaponizing them. Those that survive can have their shot at redemption among the Asrai later.

Edit: if Hultressa was coordinating with Kerillian I'd back it. Without her, I can't imagine Cruelbarb, Direblaze, or anyone else falling in with an Asrai and a few uninitiated cultists.
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I am seeing a lot of text for choosing it indicating support of the literally "turning a new leaf" aspect, not the idea of weaponizing and using them. The moral factor, not the practical. Hence my wording. It is audacious Because the desire is to turn them, not weaponize them. The post right above what you quote says "let's get this redemption party started!"

A Bloody Hand is the one that uses them.
 
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torroar said:
But by the time comes that Stonebreaker completes its pre-prepared terminus of a swing MAgnus began while descending at high speed,
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Brother... I know this pain...
torroar said:
(The Murderous Wrath of Khaine: 100+Kerillian Piety(15)+Temple Desecrated(15)+Essentially Brideless(10)+A Different Flavor of Worship(10)+Hunger For Revenge(10)-Not Of The Chosen(20)-Not Singularly Devoted(20)= 120/100)

The Asrai lets out a quiet grunt that transitions into a low hiss as she rolls her neck about before hefting the First Draich such that the flat lays on her shoulder, half-turning to face Sadrina. Absolutely no one misses how the bloody red aura drenching the blade starts to creep its way up to and settles along Kerillian's arms. It spreads, but slowly, not like a torrent of gushing blood but rather the sort that slowly trickles out from a well-placed stab to the gut. You've little doubt as to why that particular sort of imagery is searing itself into your mind as that murderous red glow begins to travel all and about Kerillian before sinking inwards, dissipating from sight save for that which still remains around the blade proper.
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[in cythrai realm]
Khaine: "ughhh...."
Vaul: "Rough day?"
Khaine: ... "S-shut up... stupid strampet ... stupid tree."

Ok, this is history happening before our very eyes. whatever happens now is gonna change some things. it certanly change the world for those kids.
And wow. was hoping for a Nat 100 to happen eventually but to see it happen like that!? ... Epic, and all she did was lift the damned thing.
I mean if Tularis screwd-up before now his's gonna be turned into stress relife stress ball. hah!

torroar said:
You pause, blink, and then tilt your head at the vampire.

"Are you suggesting we try to coopt the elven Cult of the God of Murder?"
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HaHahahahaaha! Man! This happens! wheather they want it or not, it happens!
Artur is gonna have such a bad time when his parents come back; friends with a vampire that wants to be his friend, his father adopting daughter of Khaine while his mom traumatizez his cult into orthodoxy! he will not be sober soon.
 
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Let's not forget that only bathed in the cauldron of blood once, only tortured training slaves to death and only sworn acolytes vows to the most shithead version of Khaine still means they've done all of those things, they've still committed themselves to being exceptionally murderous even by Druchii standards. Capacity to change is part of adolescence but so is capacity for fanaticism, impulsivity, recklessness and selfishness. Cowed by their recent losses or not they still despise and hate pretty much everyone here. Nobody already in the party can or should trust them. Frankly, bringing them in means all those ex-slaves shouldn't trust Natasha either.

Kerillian, By dint of her toughness and the sword, should be able to keep herself alive among them and even in charge. It is unfair to expect her to protect everyone else from them too. It is even more unreasonable to expect everyone else (most of whom don't know her except as that Asrai the Sword of Dread really likes) to expect her to do so.

Then we get to the total shitstorm that will follow attempts to murder them. Which will happen because nobody wants them at their back and the will to respond to Druchii inflicted trauma with violence is the defining characteristic of the group who are not otherwise a unified bloc.

As for redemption: maybe some of them, after years of deprogramming, will improve enough to be Asrai style Khaine cultists i.e. still pretty fucking horrible and dangerous to humans. That's a tiny upside to the attempt and it in no way contributes to Nat rescuing Freddy. Good luck to Keri if she can save some of them later but Nat has responsibilities for other lives and none for them.
 
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