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Chronicles of the Camarilla's Deathknight (Exalted/World of Darkness)

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Amazing Abzan said:
Yeah, I'd intended to make your character nonwhite. Not even because of how Exalted has a lot of non-Western influences (although that is a good point), just because, well, why not?

Hadn't considered the idea of the Week of Nightmares, I might actually steal that...
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Oh boy exciting

Amazing Abzan said:
Hm, that's a point I hadn't considered. By my interpretation Excellencies do necessarily make you faster/stronger/tougher to a certain extent, but you're right that vampires don't really have skill buffs beyond the expanded trait caps of low generation. So to practiced eyes, you won't just look like a fledgling with unnaturally high Celerity or Potence or whatever, you'll also fight with the unnatural skill of an elder.
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In all honesty, it's had me think a lot — how much of those skills did Leila have a role in buffing up? Honestly, Leila herself is a fairly interesting character.


Amazing Abzan said:
"Don't!" you shout, half in a panic. Leila's eyes widen in surprise. You both take a moment to process the fact that you just interrupted her, that you just told her what to do. It's not how things are supposed to work, but you can't help it; the thought of letting someone call you by your old name makes your skin crawl.
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First, in that this is a weird thing — obviously Leila is used to being in charge. Which makes sense; she's the Vamp and Strider is the Ghoul. And Strider's learned response to her anger is pretty telling — there's a lot that the Blood Bond is covering up because Leila uhhh well there's a reason why I figure breaking it gets very exciting very fast.

But Leila rolls with it. That's interesting.

Amazing Abzan said:
"Tinder," replies Leila. "He had all sorts of… eye-opening things to say about the role of women in society."
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Leila went and got us a victim, and there's also some telling things here. First, she got it personally, but also through Tinder — not exactly something someone with a lot of resources would resort to, I figure. Secondly, she went and got someone who presumably she felt that we knew wouldn't like. I don't know — this could either be something to ease us into it, or maybe she's aware at least tangentially of us having a Justice virtue (flavored IC of course — she picked us up from a bar fight, and with our chosen virtues…). Could be manipulative, could be her trying to be nice, but either way she's definitely got a close enough relationship with us to figure that out. Makes sense I figure — she's personally mentored us, and she had to work to get the approval of an Elder to sire us, so…

Amazing Abzan said:
"I swear, if you're a fucking thinblood I'm never gonna hear the end of it, so you better not be a thinblood, got it?"
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Finally, it's actually a possibility for her to sire a Thinblood — she's likely 12th, 13th, or even 14th / 15th generation. She's young, she's worried, and as a Brujah she's got shit all for backing and resources except for what she's got, which are the Anarchs.

Leila might be pretty desperately in over her head — it's dangerously possible we might also be the only person she can "trust" because these Anarchs as mentioned don't feel entirely like the pinnacle of comrades.

It also puts into perspective that even with the Ventrue path why our apartment is so shit — as a Vampire, she's pretty far beyond any normal human, but she's pretty close to the bottom of the totem pole, I feel. So maybe she might be unusually skilled, able to mentor us to the point Exaltation makes us Elder-tier+ in our specialty, but in terms of power and influence…?

Haha…
 
Thank you for the analysis @BlueHelix!
BlueHelix said:
It also puts into perspective that even with the Ventrue path why our apartment is so shit — as a Vampire, she's pretty far beyond any normal human, but she's pretty close to the bottom of the totem pole, I feel. So maybe she might be unusually skilled, able to mentor us to the point Exaltation makes us Elder-tier+ in our specialty, but in terms of power and influence…?
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Hmm, so Leila would have ended up being a bit of a different character depending on which path you took. If you went Day/Malkavian, for example, you would have been her emotional support ghoul as much as you were her apprentice, helping her through her manic and depressive episodes even as she went out of her way to train you up with her skills. If you went Ventrue, she'd be much colder and more exploitative of you (not that she's not exploitative now, but you know, moreso). In that scenario, you would have had a shit apartment because most of your wealth went to her. Because you went Brujah, well, you still have a shit apartment because you're spending money on her, but the gulf between what you could have afforded and what you actually can afford is much, much smaller.

On the topic of Leila, here's some things your character definitely knows about her.
  1. She's relatively young. She was Embraced in the 90s, so she has a few decades under her belt, but she's barely old enough to get out of neonate status.
  2. She's definitely got that Brujah anger. It's something you've learned to manage (or in the worst cases, steer clear of), and she's not as violent as some Brujah, but it's definitely there.
  3. You don't think she has much of a powerbase to call on. She doesn't have any other ghouls, and you've seen her doing favors for other Kindred more often than the other way around.
  4. She's good in a scrap and she enjoys that. This is, as far as you can tell from your limited view into things, her primary contribution to Kindred society.
  5. She's definitely adopted some of the attitudes towards humans that are dominant in Kindred society. She calls them kine, like cattle, same as most Kindred.
  6. Despite point number 5, she's fond of you. Maybe that fondness is more akin to how one would feel about a favored pet, but it's there.
 
Amazing Abzan said:
I do not own the Book of Nod (assuming your referring to like, the actual product that you can buy and not the in-universe object). It is currently on sale though, so that might change...

Regardless, a lot of Kindred are kind of obsessed with Gehenna, and it's been the Final Nights for decades at this point. It's definitely possible for people to call you a sign of the End Times once word gets out just how strong you are. They might even be right!
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The Book of Nod exists and is a rather curious read.

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But here's the passage I had in mind.
On the Third Day, there will be silence
the crows will feed on the carrion
plague will dance amongst the ruins
the last of the Wild Ones will leave this place
the last of the Moon-Beasts will fight
and fall
And the Antediluvians will make for themselves
an Empire of Blood
They will rule with iron talons
They will wrench the hearts of all still alive
And the full sum of the earth's living will come
and live in the Last City, called Gehenna.
And there will be a reign of one thousand years,
and there will be no love, or life, or pity,
the mighty will be as slaves
the virtuous will be made foul
every good gift, and every perfect gift will be tainted
by the Father of Darkness, whose power will come from
the nether realms.4
When the snows consume the earth
and the sun gutters like a candle in the wind
then, and only then will there be born a woman,
the last Daughter of Eve,
and in her there will be decided the fate of all.
And you will not know this woman, except by the
mark of the Moon on her,
and she will face treachery, hatred, and pain
but in her is the last hope.5​
Although Strider does not seem to fit the given criteria very well, I am sure that given the metaphorical language of the book, it is quite easy to find something that suits her.
 
BlueHelix said:
Oh boy exciting


In all honesty, it's had me think a lot — how much of those skills did Leila have a role in buffing up? Honestly, Leila herself is a fairly interesting character.



First, in that this is a weird thing — obviously Leila is used to being in charge. Which makes sense; she's the Vamp and Strider is the Ghoul. And Strider's learned response to her anger is pretty telling — there's a lot that the Blood Bond is covering up because Leila uhhh well there's a reason why I figure breaking it gets very exciting very fast.

But Leila rolls with it. That's interesting.


Leila went and got us a victim, and there's also some telling things here. First, she got it personally, but also through Tinder — not exactly something someone with a lot of resources would resort to, I figure. Secondly, she went and got someone who presumably she felt that we knew wouldn't like. I don't know — this could either be something to ease us into it, or maybe she's aware at least tangentially of us having a Justice virtue (flavored IC of course — she picked us up from a bar fight, and with our chosen virtues…). Could be manipulative, could be her trying to be nice, but either way she's definitely got a close enough relationship with us to figure that out. Makes sense I figure — she's personally mentored us, and she had to work to get the approval of an Elder to sire us, so…


Finally, it's actually a possibility for her to sire a Thinblood — she's likely 12th, 13th, or even 14th / 15th generation. She's young, she's worried, and as a Brujah she's got shit all for backing and resources except for what she's got, which are the Anarchs.

Leila might be pretty desperately in over her head — it's dangerously possible we might also be the only person she can "trust" because these Anarchs as mentioned don't feel entirely like the pinnacle of comrades.

It also puts into perspective that even with the Ventrue path why our apartment is so shit — as a Vampire, she's pretty far beyond any normal human, but she's pretty close to the bottom of the totem pole, I feel. So maybe she might be unusually skilled, able to mentor us to the point Exaltation makes us Elder-tier+ in our specialty, but in terms of power and influence…?

Haha…
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Going by Dark Ages 20 it is just barely possible for an eleventh generation to sire a thin-blood, but yeah she is probably 12th-13th which er... means she is really not up on the deep lore and terrible magic, the Elders are almost as mysterious to her as they would be to Strider IC. I do not think we are going to be getting a lot of answers from our 'Sire', or her Sire for that matter. I think that given our abilities out best bet to learn something useful is to catch the eye of an elder and just cut some kind of deal to murder their enemies in exchange for answers.

That or get into necromancy. The dead know more than the living and sometimes more than the undead.
 
Amazing Abzan said:
Hmm, so Leila would have ended up being a bit of a different character depending on which path you took. If you went Day/Malkavian, for example, you would have been her emotional support ghoul as much as you were her apprentice, helping her through her manic and depressive episodes even as she went out of her way to train you up with her skills. If you went Ventrue, she'd be much colder and more exploitative of you (not that she's not exploitative now, but you know, moreso). In that scenario, you would have had a shit apartment because most of your wealth went to her. Because you went Brujah, well, you still have a shit apartment because you're spending money on her, but the gulf between what you could have afforded and what you actually can afford is much, much smaller.
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Oooh, interesting

Would be extremely funny if she was actually getting her rent or whatever off of our own salary, tbh

Which is actually genuinely fairly possible even in Boston — she has no needed food expenses, and a paramedic's salary while on paper is trash is fairly substantial with the amount of basically guaranteed overtime being put in. Funny.
Amazing Abzan said:
  1. She's definitely adopted some of the attitudes towards humans that are dominant in Kindred society. She calls them kine, like cattle, same as most Kindred.
  2. Despite point number 5, she's fond of you. Maybe that fondness is more akin to how one would feel about a favored pet, but it's there.
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While all of the post was interesting and valuable — I think this is definitely the source of her now change. We're uppity, sure, but we're no longer cattle— we're now Kin. A weird, possibly thinblooded one, but still Kin.

I was originally thinking she was propping us up as an equal to rush the period out that she'd be responsible for our actions, but maybe she really does perceive us as an equal (to be) now, or at least a fellow "adult."

DragonParadox said:
Going by Dark Ages 20 it is just barely possible for an eleventh generation to sire a thin-blood, but yeah she is probably 12th-13th which er... means she is really not up on the deep lore and terrible magic, the Elders are almost as mysterious to her as they would be to Strider IC. I do not think we are going to be getting a lot of answers from our 'Sire', or her Sire for that matter. I think that given our abilities out best bet to learn something useful is to catch the eye of an elder and just cut some kind of deal to murder their enemies in exchange for answers.

That or get into necromancy. The dead know more than the living and sometimes more than the undead.
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Deadass, the alternative might just to be picking up formal martial arts tbh. I doubt we'll be able to pick up supernatural martial arts this early but just perfecting what we have to perfection and beyond would be very, very lethal for most non-Methuselah / Antediluvian tier opponents
 
BlueHelix said:
While all of the post was interesting and valuable — I think this is definitely the source of her now change. We're uppity, sure, but we're no longer cattle— we're now Kin. A weird, possibly thinblooded one, but still Kin.

I was originally thinking she was propping us up as an equal to rush the period out that she'd be responsible for our actions, but maybe she really does perceive us as an equal (to be) now, or at least a fellow "adult."
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Thankfully I do not think one of the Exalted could be mistaken for Thinblood for long. Cadiffs sure, those have always been a thing, but we are too powerful to be a thinblood, too obviously magical.
 
BlueHelix said:
I was originally thinking she was propping us up as an equal to rush the period out that she'd be responsible for our actions, but maybe she really does perceive us as an equal (to be) now, or at least a fellow "adult."
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tbh -- in large part because I don't really know anything about VTM so all I'm going off of here is what's in the text and conversations about it -- the part that's most interesting about the elysium vote for me isn't really related to whether or not it's worth angering the Prince to have backup. i think that a rather significant part of Leila probably still expects Strider to go along with what she suggested, no matter that she's not lying that she's letting Strider choose. whether or not going against that expectation is a good thing in terms of Leila and Strider's relationship is harder to say, though.

Amazing Abzan said:
The way she says that, it's a legitimate question. She is asking for you to choose instead of making the choice for you. Your mouth gapes slightly, and Leila fidgets uncomfortably.
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my current read on Leila is that she does actually want Strider to be more of a peer (although still lesser than her, which will be fun when it becomes clearer what Strider is lol) and that's a significant part of why she's so upset about her being weird and not having normal feeding abilities. she's willingly giving Strider autonomy, but she's also a bit uncomfortable with it, and it would be the second time on Strider's first night that she was turned that she's breaking their normal dynamic (the other being when she interrupted Leila about her name) if she doesn't follow what Leila wants.

i'm leaning towards voting to go to elysium first thing because i think that pushing Leila into being more conflicted about that before she's aware of how strong Strider is(/will be) could be fun, and i think that going to the other Anarchs will more strongly tie Strider to them as a group personally rather than through Leila, which could be interesting but i have no idea what the Anarchs are like as a group, and we haven't actually met the specific characters, so I'm Leilamaxxing until something more interesting is introduced in-text :V

for the other vote, if we vote to have already told Trish about vampires and such, that could also rather significantly impact Leila and Strider's relationship -- it would either imply that Leila was willing to let Strider tell her friend despite it being against the rules, or Strider is keeping it a secret from Leila, both of which has implications -- so i'm leaning towards voting that way. (also i prefer it because it's a lot simpler to give her meaningful involvement into where Strider's character goes and i often find the masquerade annoying in urban fantasy anyway)
 
lightningowl15 said:
tbh -- in large part because I don't really know anything about VTM so all I'm going off of here is what's in the text and conversations about it -- the part that's most interesting about the elysium vote for me isn't really related to whether or not it's worth angering the Prince to have backup. i think that a rather significant part of Leila probably still expects Strider to go along with what she suggested, no matter that she's not lying that she's letting Strider choose. whether or not going against that expectation is a good thing in terms of Leila and Strider's relationship is harder to say, though.



my current read on Leila is that she does actually want Strider to be more of a peer (although still lesser than her, which will be fun when it becomes clearer what Strider is lol) and that's a significant part of why she's so upset about her being weird and not having normal feeding abilities. she's willingly giving Strider autonomy, but she's also a bit uncomfortable with it, and it would be the second time on Strider's first night that she was turned that she's breaking their normal dynamic (the other being when she interrupted Leila about her name) if she doesn't follow what Leila wants.

i'm leaning towards voting to go to elysium first thing because i think that pushing Leila into being more conflicted about that before she's aware of how strong Strider is(/will be) could be fun, and i think that going to the other Anarchs will more strongly tie Strider to them as a group personally rather than through Leila, which could be interesting but i have no idea what the Anarchs are like as a group, and we haven't actually met the specific characters, so I'm Leilamaxxing until something more interesting is introduced in-text :V

for the other vote, if we vote to have already told Trish about vampires and such, that could also rather significantly impact Leila and Strider's relationship -- it would either imply that Leila was willing to let Strider tell her friend despite it being against the rules, or Strider is keeping it a secret from Leila, both of which has implications -- so i'm leaning towards voting that way. (also i prefer it because it's a lot simpler to give her meaningful involvement into where Strider's character goes and i often find the masquerade annoying in urban fantasy anyway)
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Leila is a Brujah, they are the philosophers, the utopists and, more recently, the revolutionaries. That is not to say that their elders are all down for fledglings roaming free, everyone doing what they want. Elders are still elders, tyrannical, paranoid and aware of how much murder and worse they had to commit to get as high as they did. But the higher generation you get in that clan and Leila is pretty high, the more likely you are to find the kind of person who genuinely values free will in their fledglings, the kind of person who would treat a ghoul at least halfway decently. The standards are very low here, but we choose the vampire most likely to at least manage to pass the bar.
 
BlueHelix said:
Deadass, the alternative might just to be picking up formal martial arts tbh. I doubt we'll be able to pick up supernatural martial arts this early but just perfecting what we have to perfection and beyond would be very, very lethal for most non-Methuselah / Antediluvian tier opponents
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Actually, it's not that hard for you to learn a supernatural martial art. In Exalted Essence, martial arts tend to be only about 3-4 charms, and the requirements for at least the first charm are usually fairly minor. So while you need a minor milestone rather than an Exalt milestone to learn them (I'll info post about the milestones system later), they're fairly easy to pick up. The styles canon to Exalted Essence are Crane Style, Mantis Style, Tiger Style, Snake Style, Righteous Devil Style, White Reaper Style, Ebon Shadow Style, the five Immaculate Dragon Styles, and Prismatic Arrangement of Creation Style (the only Sidereal style canon to Essence as of now).

If you want to learn one of the animal styles (crane, mantis, tiger, or snake), I'm totally cool with saying you learned it by watching a shit ton of YouTube videos about tigers or whatever, probably mingled with some past life memories. If you want to pick up another style, well, that's probably harder to justify.
 
Amazing Abzan said:
If you want to learn one of the animal styles (crane, mantis, tiger, or snake), I'm totally cool with saying you learned it by watching a shit ton of YouTube videos about tigers or whatever, probably mingled with some past life memories. If you want to pick up another style, well, that's probably harder to justify.
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Oh shit? Oh shit oh shit oh shit?

Man, that's wild. I've been used to the Dragonblooded scale game I've been playing for too long, I'm unreasonably hyped up.

I've cracked open WoD for awhile, time to open up Essence when I get home from work I suppose!
 
[X][BFF Knowledge] You'd tell her everything, just like you always have. It's easier that way. (Your best friend knows about vampires. This is technically a Masquerade breach, but will make it easier to maintain a relationship with her)
[X][Tomorrow Night] Present yourself at Elysium first thing, try to avoid trouble.

Whoops, didn't notice vote opening! Let's get the ball rolling.

Honestly, may want to nix moratoriums or shorten them to a degree tbh, I noticed one of the plan-makers from the first vote not vote for their own plan, and I nearly forgot to vote this time. Same with voting periods, not sure if we need ~3 days for this particular vote.
 
Amazing Abzan said:
You sigh. This waiting is torture. Maybe you should give Trish a call? She's been your best friend since high school, if there's anyone you want to talk to right now (besides Leila) it's her. But how much would you even tell her? How much of your life does she already know?

[ ][BFF Knowledge] You'd tell her everything, just like you always have. It's easier that way. (Your best friend knows about vampires. This is technically a Masquerade breach, but will make it easier to maintain a relationship with her)
[ ][BFF Knowledge] You'd hold back, just like you always have. It's safer that way. (Your best friend knows nothing about vampires. This keeps you on the right side of the Masquerade, but makes it harder to maintain a relationship with her)
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Quick analysis for the vote - I think there's more hooks if we have an in the know friend to some degree, and it implies something very interesting about her that she's kept up a relationship for so long despite knowing.

Amazing Abzan said:
You have the charm 'Soul-Drinking Bite', which allows you to regain motes by biting people and drinking their blood. You regained no motes in here, as you are already at full motes.

Note that unlike vampires, your bites don't induce feelings of euphoria in your victims, so you'll have to be careful with feeding. You also can't lick wounds shut, though I'm ruling that you can bite in such a way that it's relatively subtle: the classic two puncture wounds on the neck.

Additionally, as an Abyssal, you have the ability 'Cruel Banquet.' Whenever you deal a level of damage, or else commit an action that frightens, subdues, or angers your target, you regain motes. 1 mote for a trivial target, 2 motes for an elite target (like an ancilla or a veteran vampire hunter) and 3 motes for a powerful target (like an elder or another exalt). This triggers once per scene outside of combat.
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Also just a general tone thing - it's really fun to me how the Abyssal simulation of vampire stuff is like... much more murder coded. The Kiss and general feeding stuff is exchanged for combat recharge powers and a more general enticement to show off and scare people. This doesn't mean masquerade violations but I think Strider is gonna be pretty 'loud' compared to the vamps with time, yeah?


[X][BFF Knowledge] You'd tell her everything, just like you always have. It's easier that way. (Your best friend knows about vampires. This is technically a Masquerade breach, but will make it easier to maintain a relationship with her)
[X][Tomorrow Night] Meet with the Anarchs first, get some backup.

Leila says we have a little leeway here, so why not take advantage of it and do a trial run of looking like a vampire with the Anarchs?
 
[X][Tomorrow Night] Present yourself at Elysium first thing, try to avoid trouble.
[X][BFF Knowledge] You'd hold back, just like you always have. It's safer that way. (Your best friend knows nothing about vampires. This keeps you on the right side of the Masquerade, but makes it harder to maintain a relationship with her)

The vote itself can be however long, you can always close it early if you're in the mood - but I agree that 24 hour moratoriums are usually excessive. If you're not making another threadmark to alert voters most people will just forget.
 
HeWhoLurks said:
Are other splats going to be present here?
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I intend for other splats to be present, but it may take a while to run into them. You probably would have seen Wraith stuff out of the gate if you'd chosen Daybreak. As it stands, I have definite plans to include Mages and other Exalts, vague plans for Werewolf, and Wraith is reserved for if you get into necromancy and stuff. As for the other splats, Changelings I'm not a big fan of, Demon and Mummy I don't know enough about, Hunter I feel like gets its niche filled better by other Exalts, and "Kindred of the East" is just uncomfortably orientalist and won't be included here.
BlueHelix said:
Whoops, didn't notice vote opening! Let's get the ball rolling.

Honestly, may want to nix moratoriums or shorten them to a degree tbh, I noticed one of the plan-makers from the first vote not vote for their own plan, and I nearly forgot to vote this time. Same with voting periods, not sure if we need ~3 days for this particular vote.
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Parzival95 said:
The vote itself can be however long, you can always close it early if you're in the mood - but I agree that 24 hour moratoriums are usually excessive. If you're not making another threadmark to alert voters most people will just forget.
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I appreciate the advice here! The advice I got in my other thread was that a 12 hour moratorium would help prompt discussion, so that's why I've been putting moratoriums. I'm not liking hearing that you didn't notice the vote opening though, so I'll probably get rid of these moratoriums in the future. I'm a new QM, there's gonna be some growing pains.

As for the vote timer, those I'm sort of structuring around when I think I'll get to writing the chapter as opposed to how much time I think the vote actually needs, since I figure if I'm not writing yet, why not keep the vote open? The next chapter of A Desperate Measure is probably gonna be a bit beefy, so that's why this vote timer is slightly longer: I'll be busy writing that this weekend, rather than this. And as was stated, I can close the vote early if need be, whereas it's much harder to extend a vote after it's closed, so I favor a longer vote. Probably not 3 days in the future, but at least 48 hours.
 
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    • Amazing Abzan said:
    (I'll info post about the milestones system later)
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    Later is now.

    Progression in Exalted Essence works on a milestone system: you earn milestones at the end of each arc (each session, in the tabletop) depending on what you did and how the plot developed. These milestones are then spent to purchase upgrades to your character. The milestones are as follows:
    • Personal Milestones - these are earned for achieving personal goals. Generally, you should expect to earn a personal milestone every arc. Personal milestones can be spent to learn the first point of an ability, to repurchase a charm you already know if that charm allows repurchases (such as Ox Body Technique), to unlock new modes for charms you know, or to buy a new, personal mode for a charm you know, making it more powerful or versatile.
    • Exalt Milestones - these are earned by fulfilling the requirements of your caste. As a Dusk, you earn an Exalt milestone at the end of every arc wherein you engaged a significant foe in bloody combat. As such, you can earn an Exalt milestone every arc if you play your cards right. Exalt milestones can be used to buy any charm you qualify for EXCEPT for martial arts charms and evocations. They can also be used to buy spells, to repurchase charms, or to unlock new charm modes.
    • Minor Milestones - these are earned for minor but significant plot events. Discovering an enemy's scheme, for example. You should expect a minor milestone every 2-3 arcs. Minor Milestones can be used to increase an ability by 1, or to buy a new charm of any variety, or buy a spell.
    • Major Milestones - these are earned for major plot events, such as defeating a longstanding foe. You should expect a major milestone after 2-3 minor milestones. Major Milestones can be used to increase an attribute by 1.
    • Essence - this is increased from climactic events, major achievements, and significant character growth. Becoming Prince of Boston, for example, would earn you an Essence increase. You should expect an Essence increase roughly every 2 major milestones. Increasing your essence also earns you a free Excellency or Ox Body Technique purchase.
    To accommodate the milestone system, arcs in this quest will be shorter than arcs in other works. They're analogous to a session of play in the tabletop.

    Note as well that it's possible to borrow a future milestone to learn a charm instantly should you need it. This uses up your NEXT applicable milestone and a set of stunt dice in order to learn a charm instantly. As a minor house rule, it will not always be a minor milestone that gets used up: if you can borrow an Exalt milestone instead, you will do so.
     
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    • Amazing Abzan said:
    I appreciate the advice here! The advice I got in my other thread was that a 12 hour moratorium would help prompt discussion, so that's why I've been putting moratoriums. I'm not liking hearing that you didn't notice the vote opening though, so I'll probably get rid of these moratoriums in the future. I'm a new QM, there's gonna be some growing pains.

    As for the vote timer, those I'm sort of structuring around when I think I'll get to writing the chapter as opposed to how much time I think the vote actually needs, since I figure if I'm not writing yet, why not keep the vote open? The next chapter of A Desperate Measure is probably gonna be a bit beefy, so that's why this vote timer is slightly longer: I'll be busy writing that this weekend, rather than this. And as was stated, I can close the vote early if need be, whereas it's much harder to extend a vote after it's closed, so I favor a longer vote. Probably not 3 days in the future, but at least 48 hours.
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    Super fair and understandable!

    Per moratoriums, I think you generally want to put them when you're confident in engagement, and want to promote discussion and not fear lack of engagement. You generally want them when people are already super engaged and can be expected to pour in a lot of discussion, or when there is a very difficult or controversial vote where you want people to have time to process and think before getting to it. If the thread is small or the vote is pretty small potatoes, I don't think there's a need for moratoriums.

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    Hmm, interesting!

    So we can expect to get a Milestone every arc, maybe two, a minor every 2-3 arcs, a major every 4-6, and an Essence every 8-12. Gotcha gotcha -- fast-paced arcs are pretty gladdening to hear.
     
    [X][BFF Knowledge] You'd tell her everything, just like you always have. It's easier that way. (Your best friend knows about vampires. This is technically a Masquerade breach, but will make it easier to maintain a relationship with her)

    [X][Tomorrow Night] Present yourself at Elysium first thing, try to avoid trouble.
     
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    [X][BFF Knowledge] You'd tell her everything, just like you always have. It's easier that way. (Your best friend knows about vampires. This is technically a Masquerade breach, but will make it easier to maintain a relationship with her)
    [X][Tomorrow Night] Meet with the Anarchs first, get some backup.

    Keeping ties with your mortal life is a bad idea, but since she actually wanted to become a vampire, she's full of bad ideas already.

    Whatever, really.

    Just as long as she can terrify the fur off a Werewolf in their war form

    Not so funny when it happens to you, is it, fur-ball?

    (Sorry. Some unresolved issues from a Hunter: the Reckoning session that went disastrously wrong 10+ years ago ^_^)
     
    [X][BFF Knowledge] You'd tell her everything, just like you always have. It's easier that way. (Your best friend knows about vampires. This is technically a Masquerade breach, but will make it easier to maintain a relationship with her)

    [X][Tomorrow Night] Present yourself at Elysium first thing, try to avoid trouble.

    I'll always advocate for telling the 'mundane' friend about your sudden descent into undead, helps stave off those pesky "You're just my friends corpse being puppeted by a demon! My new (cult) friends told me so!" storylines.

    The Elysium vote feels like a semi Anarchs vs Camarilla vote, and while I don't like the Camarilla particularly, I do like getting our nose in on the ground floor with the bigger faction.
     
    [X][BFF Knowledge] You'd tell her everything, just like you always have. It's easier that way. (Your best friend knows about vampires. This is technically a Masquerade breach, but will make it easier to maintain a relationship with her)
    [X][Tomorrow Night] Present yourself at Elysium first thing, try to avoid trouble.
     
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