Vista
(Verified anomalous street lamp)
- Location
- appears to be in a containment cell
- Pronouns
- They/Them
you might want to fix your vote my friend
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darkstarling
Brilliantly Crazed
- Location
- Columbus, Ohio
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- He/Him
As was said, massive internal volume is the good thing about the Orb.
Just how fast can you deploy radiation shields from a supernova, or a planetary defense network?
Also our shuttles are warp capable, and while we dont have the details theyre definitely capable of going significant speed with a landing party and cargo. Theyre basically the Runabouts of the 23rd century. And I love a good Runabout.
Park it in a nebula and spread engineering, recon, and strike teams through a twenty light year radius. Or just resupply a fleet or planet without exposing yourself.
I don't do trap votes. I mean there might be a place where it's like "you have three choices" several times in a row and for some reason you end up picking more suboptimal combinations of choices, but none of them by themselves are objectively bad decisions.
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The runabout is a considerably more capable craft, for one it has (roughly speaking) nearly 34x the volume of a Class F, it also has proper weapons, a highly modular rear compartment (which can actually be swapped out) and truly interstellar capability.
You could build a 23rd century runabout, but it'd need to be at least the size of the late 24th century one to be comparable.
The Class F is the 23rd century equivalent of the Type 6 shuttle. Which in an interesting note is only rated warp 2 for 36h, using the TNG scale that would correspond to about warp 2.16 here/using the TOS scale, and I doubt the Class F is any better than the Type 6.
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I cannot imagine a situation where you fear to send a battle capable cruiser that can run at warp 7, but are willing to send a shuttle with a very murderable pilot who can't fight back or flee faster than like warp 4.
Starfleet doesn't do sacrifice plays like that.
And I cannot at all imagine that you need to be doing that 21 times all at once.
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darkstarling
Brilliantly Crazed
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- Columbus, Ohio
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- He/Him
No it doesnt, youre misunderstanding the mission. Be a central hub for support, espionage, and skullduggery for a wide area of space, not try to fight a bird of prey in a shuttlecraft.
Of course its more capable, its a.century advanced. But i was going by internal space and speed.
Also, it is worth remember that there is no "no shuttles" option. The choice is between A) more shuttles than any other Starfleet ship has ever fielded or B) Twice that many shuttles.
The MINIMAL choice is something like 4 more shuttles than the Newton, and outside the Halley the Newton is the most shuttles a starfleet ship has ever fielded.
The MINIMAL choice is something like 4 more shuttles than the Newton, and outside the Halley the Newton is the most shuttles a starfleet ship has ever fielded.
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- Location
- Somewhere and somewhen in time and space
[X] Loading Deck (4 Engineering, 16 Type-F Shuttlecraft, 6 Cargo]
We need some cargo to do effective engineering.
Having a loading deck will help with that.
Also, there is a thing as too many shuttles.
We need some cargo to do effective engineering.
Having a loading deck will help with that.
Also, there is a thing as too many shuttles.
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Are you going by DITL for the speed or something? Because that's in white, meaning it's their speculation.
As far as internal space goes, not the most accurate given I'm going off pure rectangle values but this should be close enough.
The Class F shuttle has a maximum volume of 57.15456m3, the Danube runabout meanwhile has 1,940.4m3. That is two orders of magnitude difference.
Chargone
Invisable operator
- Location
- New Zealand
Honestly, I'd consider the shuttle numbers a straight up distraction. They give different specializations but balance out for general use.
The actually meaningful decision here, to my mind, is engineering vs cargo.
And much as I want to go for All The Shuttles, given we know we'll get more opportunities to add engineering and that we Won't get more opportunities for cargo space, combined with the many situations where having internal cargo space or not is a Huge deal (pod's entire volume already taken up with things that can't be ditched to make room, not Having a pod on that occasion for whatever reason, ease of access from the workshops/fabricators/shuttle bays/engineering/medical/whatever, items that can't be risked in the more exposed/expendable pod, etc.), gotta go with the loading deck.
[X] Loading Deck (4 Engineering, 16 Type-F Shuttlecraft, 6 Cargo]
The actually meaningful decision here, to my mind, is engineering vs cargo.
And much as I want to go for All The Shuttles, given we know we'll get more opportunities to add engineering and that we Won't get more opportunities for cargo space, combined with the many situations where having internal cargo space or not is a Huge deal (pod's entire volume already taken up with things that can't be ditched to make room, not Having a pod on that occasion for whatever reason, ease of access from the workshops/fabricators/shuttle bays/engineering/medical/whatever, items that can't be risked in the more exposed/expendable pod, etc.), gotta go with the loading deck.
[X] Loading Deck (4 Engineering, 16 Type-F Shuttlecraft, 6 Cargo]
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Art: Mirror Universe Ships [2]
Mechanis
Confirmed Extremely Screwed
- Location
- Absconding with Alacrity
Anyway.
Some Terran Empire Engineer, probably; "I like big nacelles and I cannot lie-"
(The Class C is BEEG. and expensive. and technically performs better than the Type Three... if you ignore being Mucho Expensivio. and the fact that it occasionally catastrophically explodes or slags itself because they just piled on as much performance as possible, ha)
Some Terran Empire Engineer, probably; "I like big nacelles and I cannot lie-"
(The Class C is BEEG. and expensive. and technically performs better than the Type Three... if you ignore being Mucho Expensivio. and the fact that it occasionally catastrophically explodes or slags itself because they just piled on as much performance as possible, ha)
- Location
- Australia
I think people are vastly underestimating the usefulness of those shuttles...
I don't think there's any worry with having enough crew for all those shuttles. Orb memes aside, it's almost hard to conceptualize how much more cubic metres of usable space it has compared to the little thin disks we are used to. That top section alone that's been drawn to have seats would be an entire ships worth of space dedicated to crew and crew management alone.
I think it's honestly safe to say that each of those shuttles has a dedicated engineering team at minimum, and each shuttle would be doing whatever an entire dedicated engineering team would do when constructing or doing relief efforts. That engineering score is absolutely massive, and for damned good reason. It's a mobile space stations worth of engineering and hands to work with. It's everything I want
I want to pick it so damned badly. But I can't. I think that if we are going to have massive fabrication bays we also need onboard cargo. It didn't have to be much - literally 1 point set aside for them would be plenty - but we've been told this is our only chance to get onboard storage.
And so unless Sayle pops up to say that the fabrication bays would absolutely have enough storage for their own long term construction purposes I'm basically forced to pick
[X] Loading Deck (4 Engineering, 16 Type-F Shuttlecraft, 6 Cargo]
Because every ship we build has a point or two internal cargo for a reason. 6 is honestly too much for on ship purposes, but 0 is worse.
I don't think there's any worry with having enough crew for all those shuttles. Orb memes aside, it's almost hard to conceptualize how much more cubic metres of usable space it has compared to the little thin disks we are used to. That top section alone that's been drawn to have seats would be an entire ships worth of space dedicated to crew and crew management alone.
I think it's honestly safe to say that each of those shuttles has a dedicated engineering team at minimum, and each shuttle would be doing whatever an entire dedicated engineering team would do when constructing or doing relief efforts. That engineering score is absolutely massive, and for damned good reason. It's a mobile space stations worth of engineering and hands to work with. It's everything I want
I want to pick it so damned badly. But I can't. I think that if we are going to have massive fabrication bays we also need onboard cargo. It didn't have to be much - literally 1 point set aside for them would be plenty - but we've been told this is our only chance to get onboard storage.
And so unless Sayle pops up to say that the fabrication bays would absolutely have enough storage for their own long term construction purposes I'm basically forced to pick
[X] Loading Deck (4 Engineering, 16 Type-F Shuttlecraft, 6 Cargo]
Because every ship we build has a point or two internal cargo for a reason. 6 is honestly too much for on ship purposes, but 0 is worse.
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[X] Shuttledeck [8 Engineering, 32 Type-F Shuttlecraft]
[X] Loading Deck (4 Engineering, 16 Type-F Shuttlecraft, 6 Cargo]
tankdrop24
Tread First into Hell
- Location
- The Center of the Universe: Toronto, Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Shuttledeck [8 Engineering, 32 Type-F Shuttlecraft]
Internal storage is vital because the crew needs ready access to the non-regulation ice cream stashed in cargo box 7 at all times.
Taking the aircrew/aircraft ratio of the Charles de Gaulle (600/40)* and halving that for the 32/36 shuttle ship you'd be looking at 240-270 or 118-133% of the basic Connie crew compliment or 55-62% of that of the Connie in Kirk's time.
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The 16/20 shuttle ship using the same would be looking at 120-150 or 59-73% of the basic Connie crew complement, or 27-34% of Kirk's Connie.
The 16/20 shuttle ship and its percentage crew complement is in line with that of the CdG which sits at 28% of overall crew complement.
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The 16/20 shuttle ship using the same would be looking at 120-150 or 59-73% of the basic Connie crew complement, or 27-34% of Kirk's Connie.
The 16/20 shuttle ship and its percentage crew complement is in line with that of the CdG which sits at 28% of overall crew complement.
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Huh, managed to get pretty close with my estimations then!
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Oh my god, it's Evil!Kelvin class.
Why do people keep assuming our designers are morons?
If the brief says 32 shuttles are twice as good at Engineering tasks as 16 that means 32 shuttles are twice as good at Engineering tasks as 16.
NOT "we are idiots and we don't actually have the capacity to effectively service all these shuttles so 16 are actually better at engineering tasks".
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Yeah, the 32 shuttles are definitely going to be better at doing shuttle things than the 16. The tradeoff is in the security of the internal cargo bay, and the 4 Engineering versus 6 Cargo points.
I think the internal cargo bay is the way to go because we're expecting this thing to face an existential war's worth of Klingon raiders, but it's not going to out-shuttle the Maximum Shuttle option.
I think the internal cargo bay is the way to go because we're expecting this thing to face an existential war's worth of Klingon raiders, but it's not going to out-shuttle the Maximum Shuttle option.
[X] Loading Deck (4 Engineering, 16 Type-F Shuttlecraft, 6 Cargo]
