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The Enemy Within (WHF Witch Hunter Quest)

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Stewart9 said:
@Maugan Ra Boss if we agree with the High Priests plan for now can we still spend time interviewing Father Sigiwalt all the information he has on the Ordo and ask him why in his mind they are hiding dark secrets. We want him to know we are taking the threat seriously and that we will take his advice and support with open arms. Also can we still spend time talking to the Lieutenant Brotte the Father mentioned in the quote below, as some one in the leadership of the Statetroops stationed her who won't take bribes is the kind of support we will need before this investigation is done I am certain.

Can we ask politely to be present for the Meeting the High Priest wants to have with the head of the Town Council and the master of the Merchant's Guild as we have questions both of them would be well place to answer?
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Theoretically you can still follow up with Sigiwalt and the watch lieutenant, but you'll have to delay doing so for a bit and if Edel realises you're doing it he'll be pissed off, because it looks very much like sidestepping his authority in order to prepare for a move that he very definitively does not want you to do.

Siding with Edel will by default have you attend those meetings, though, that won't really require a specific request. It would be really odd for Edel to request a meeting to discuss your accusations and evidence and then not actually bring you along.
 
Maugan Ra said:
Theoretically you can still follow up with Sigiwalt and the watch lieutenant, but you'll have to delay doing so for a bit and if Edel realises you're doing it he'll be pissed off, because it looks very much like sidestepping his authority in order to prepare for a move that he very definitively does not want you to do.

Siding with Edel will by default have you attend those meetings, though, that won't really require a specific request. It would be really odd for Edel to request a meeting to discuss your accusations and evidence and then not actually bring you along.
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We were sent to investigate a report of Cultist activity, it's one thing for the High Priest to want us to conduct our investigation quietly into the Ordo but if we do as he asks how can he have any reasonable grounds to deny us the ability to speak with the people who sent the report to Altdorf. We will respect his authority when it comes to the way we Hunt but he does not have a excuse to prevent us speaking with Witnesses with information so to speak.

If he is so worried about his position that simple words that will not lead to direct action are a perceived as threat then he may be more hindrance then help in our Hunt. He should understand that even young as he is he does not have the authority to prevent a Witch Hunter chasing a Cult the ability to speak with other Members of the Cult of Sigmar who may have information pertaining to the investigation.
 
BaseDeltaZero said:
... what would be the legitimate, non-cult use of a giant copper ring? I guess spirit-calling isn't technically strictly forbidden but it still seems like the kind of thing you'd want to watch.
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Decoration, easily. If you put in into the floor and fill it with mosaic, I can imagine the result looking very pretty.
 
Stewart9 said:
We were sent to investigate a report of Cultist activity, it's one thing for the High Priest to want us to conduct our investigation quietly into the Ordo but if we do as he asks how can he have any reasonable grounds to deny us the ability to speak with the people who sent the report to Altdorf. We will respect his authority when it comes to the way we Hunt but he does not have a excuse to prevent us speaking with Witnesses with information so to speak.

If he is so worried about his position that simple words that will not lead to direct action are a perceived as threat then he may be more hindrance then help in our Hunt. He should understand that even young as he is he does not have the authority to prevent a Witch Hunter chasing a Cult the ability to speak with other Members of the Cult of Sigmar who may have information pertaining to the investigation.
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He might not have the legal power to stop you from doing something, but that will have very little bearing on how he feels about it, much less how it is perceived by the high priest or others.

Speaking with Sigiwalt would annoy Edel, because he has already told you what (he thinks) you need to know and is already angry with Sigiwalt for defying his orders. It would be possible to spin this as "I'm just being diligent and Doing My Job", and that might mitigate the High Priest's annoyance, but you're still having to work at that.

Speaking with Lieutenant Brotte would definitely anger Edel, because he sees no reason for you to be talking to her other than to prepare for an armed raid on the merchants, which is something that he has made it very clear he does not want to happen. There's not really a way to mitigate those feelings, because you would in fact be doing exactly what Edel thinks you are doing; you'd need to approach things from an angle of "how can I complete my assignment here despite the high priest being angry at me and refusing to cooperate".

Above all else, it is important to remember that you have no authority to judge or punish High Priest Edel. If he is refusing to cooperate, or even if he is actively impeding your operations, your sole legal recourse would be to make an appeal to his hierarchical superior, which would probably be one of the Lectors of Sigmar's Cult.
 
Maugan Ra said:
He might not have the legal power to stop you from doing something, but that will have very little bearing on how he feels about it, much less how it is perceived by the high priest or others.

Speaking with Sigiwalt would annoy Edel, because he has already told you what (he thinks) you need to know and is already angry with Sigiwalt for defying his orders. It would be possible to spin this as "I'm just being diligent and Doing My Job", and that might mitigate the High Priest's annoyance, but you're still having to work at that.

Speaking with Lieutenant Brotte would definitely anger Edel, because he sees no reason for you to be talking to her other than to prepare for an armed raid on the merchants, which is something that he has made it very clear he does not want to happen. There's not really a way to mitigate those feelings, because you would in fact be doing exactly what Edel thinks you are doing; you'd need to approach things from an angle of "how can I complete my assignment here despite the high priest being angry at me and refusing to cooperate".

Above all else, it is important to remember that you have no authority to judge or punish High Priest Edel. If he is refusing to cooperate, or even if he is actively impeding your operations, your sole legal recourse would be to make an appeal to his hierarchical superior, which would probably be one of the Lectors of Sigmar's Cult.
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There wouldn't just so happen to be any (warrior)priests at the temple who would much rather join a templar's retinue than continue witnessing Edel putting his head up his ass?
 
Dutch said:
There wouldn't just so happen to be any (warrior)priests at the temple who would much rather join a templar's retinue than continue witnessing Edel putting his head up his ass?
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A key objective for any government-manipulating conspiracy would be to put the people willing to smash heads out in the field, away from the centers of power.

Whatever Warrior Priests were here are probably out on assignment.
 
Maugan Ra said:
He might not have the legal power to stop you from doing something, but that will have very little bearing on how he feels about it, much less how it is perceived by the high priest or others.

Speaking with Sigiwalt would annoy Edel, because he has already told you what (he thinks) you need to know and is already angry with Sigiwalt for defying his orders. It would be possible to spin this as "I'm just being diligent and Doing My Job", and that might mitigate the High Priest's annoyance, but you're still having to work at that.

Speaking with Lieutenant Brotte would definitely anger Edel, because he sees no reason for you to be talking to her other than to prepare for an armed raid on the merchants, which is something that he has made it very clear he does not want to happen. There's not really a way to mitigate those feelings, because you would in fact be doing exactly what Edel thinks you are doing; you'd need to approach things from an angle of "how can I complete my assignment here despite the high priest being angry at me and refusing to cooperate".

Above all else, it is important to remember that you have no authority to judge or punish High Priest Edel. If he is refusing to cooperate, or even if he is actively impeding your operations, your sole legal recourse would be to make an appeal to his hierarchical superior, which would probably be one of the Lectors of Sigmar's Cult.
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Makes sense to me boss we could swing talking to Father Sigiwalt as part of our job after a day or two but not the Lieutenant.

How would the High Priest react if we said we wanted to inform who ever is in command of all the State Troops in the that we are certain their is Cult activity in the City. By Ghal Maraz we fought a actual Daemon of the Ruinous Powers in the City's sewers, a competent soldier would want to know about something like that. We will also need their help in the future so we should let them know what's going on even if we aren't moving soon to arrest anyone.
 
[X] Follow Father Sigiwalt

If all we saw was regular cult-stuff, I'd go the slow way.

But there was an actual daemon down there, which means the enemy has some serious occult power to bring to bear.
Bet you if we don't act fast we'll get a visit from whatever has been splitting people open all over town next.
 
Dutch said:
There wouldn't just so happen to be any (warrior)priests at the temple who would much rather join a templar's retinue than continue witnessing Edel putting his head up his ass?
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Warrior priests, no, they tend to spend the majority of their time out in the field with the armies or with garrisons in more dangerous locales. Other priests, potentially - that would include Father Sigiwalt, generally (well not specifically him, he's got his own chapel to look after), but they're unlikely to follow you unless it seems like you're doing things differently to Edel.

Stewart9 said:
Makes sense to me boss we could swing talking to Father Sigiwalt as part of our job after a day or two but not the Lieutenant.

How would the High Priest react if we said we wanted to inform who ever is in command of all the State Troops in the that we are certain their is Cult activity in the City. By Ghal Maraz we fought a actual Daemon of the Ruinous Powers in the City's sewers, a competent soldier would want to know about something like that. We will also need their help in the future so we should let them know what's going on even if we aren't moving soon to arrest anyone.
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Locally, that would be the Captain of the Watch. More generally, that would be the Graf Willhelm von Saponatheim, but he rarely visits the town and is currently in his castle some eighty miles away. Contact with the former could be arranged and probably wouldn't bother Edel over much, contacting the latter is a bit more iffy and he'd rather report active success to the Graf for the same reasons the Town Council generally would.

Since I just realised this probably isn't intuitively obvious, in most cases the Empire doesn't draw much of a distinction between "state troops" and "town watch". They're all soldiers, if only because the average noble figures "hey I'm already paying for a standing force of troops, I might as well find some use for them during peacetime".
 
[X] Obey High Priest Edel

It will slow the investigation but not halt it. We still have plenty of leads to run down, most obviously the hidden door in the cultist temple.
 
Guys, if we try to do a raid now without proper evidence or understanding of how the chaos cult operates among the merchants, well alert them and give them ample time to relocate and clean up any evidence of malicious activities, thus compromising our authority by pissing off our direct superior and making ourselves look like a fool, therefore hindering our ability to investigate the cult further. I Say we bid our time for now and give our enemies a false sense of security by obeying Edel so we can get even more dirt on the cults and cut off their escape routes. That way we can go on a raid later and decipate them instead of giving them ample time to escape and clean their tracks.
 
My man. What makes you think that that Edel won't pass everything on to his merchant backers, who in turn will pass things on to the cult?

Going slow might be the way to go, but the moment we informed Edel we lost the element of surprise. And it is worth keeping that in mind.
 
Both options have ways they could turn out to be the wrong move or the right move. It is better to approach the vote based on what you think would be a more interesting path to take the story, what you think more fits Markus's character, and in what ways you want Markus's character to develop.
 
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