Si Deus Nobiscum: A Polish-Lithuanian Scion Quest
- Thread starter Rolman
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- Mature Historic
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- Mists of Albion
Yes for nothing. We could've just sent the money. This was pointless and I literally screamed at everyone for three pages about this.
[X] Just look at her.
Theaxofwar
Definitely not a Bunny Cat in disguise.
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- Standing right behind you
[X] Just look at her.
If we lost the leg we lost the leg, still better than dying.
If we lost the leg we lost the leg, still better than dying.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
It would've.
Frostbyght
Not Dead Yet
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Not to worry everyone, we're still flying half a prince.
[X] Just look at her.
[X] Just look at her.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Better to have not lost the entire leg at all.
This was entirely avoidable.
If he has actually had the leg amputated from the wound down that's almost the entire leg. That means no more battles, no more riding, no more hunting, no walking, peg legs only worked below the knee at this point, he's going to live most of his life being carried around. Which is going to do great for his life and reputation in the 1500's.
All because people didn't listen.
Stephen Bathory wasn't even that bad a king, it's Sigismund III Vasa who helps lay the foundation of the Commonwealths fall. We could've just bided our time and waited 10 years to put Matthias on the throne, IOTL Zomoyski relied partly on the Radzwilli to win that election.
I am absolutely livid. We've potentially lost out on so much as a character and a protagonist because people had the attitude we were invincible even after there were repeated fuck ups with major consequences such as the Benedictine vote.
You all chose not to stay in bed for even a day. Stanislaw will likely spend the majority of his life stuck in a bed or litter now.
Ironic. Tragic. Stupid.
Edit: I literally god damn pleaded with people, I literally begged. And now it's likely exactly what I said would happen has happens. Stanislaw may have earned the Nickname Ajax but I'm apparently Cassandra.
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[X] Just look at her.
@Sertorius, @Kir the Wizard, what sorts of career opportunities does our Stanislaw have now that he's short a leg, and how will the world look upon him in this state now?
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Well he can't fight in the military, he can't do a job that requires walking, again, prosthetics aren't advanced enough to be able to make that work when you've lost a leg above the knee, he's going to need a job that will let him limp/hop/use crutches to get around short distances or use a litter.
Basically administrative is all he can do. And that's…usually tied to military stuff in this era of Poland-Lithuania. And the kind of jobs we'd really want are highly prestigious and require prestige to maintain a hold of, something a cripple would struggle to accrue.
Basically we better hope Matthias won and will let us be his secretary or something, and hope he doesn't ever decide to go on campaign or we do a perfect job so we won't be replaced.
Again, we've basically entered hard mode at best. It might've even been better to just die in a blaze of glory at the Senate meeting.
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Astra Myst
Do you want a wish?
- Location
- Milky Way Galaxy
[X] Just look at her.
Sertorius
Rebellious Legate
- Location
- Roma Invicta
Like I said, politics of the Commonwealth required sacrifices. Sick, crippled or wounded, we had make an appearance. Many of the greatest commanders and politicians of the day tended to their duties in public despite pain and suffering, because that was their job and the price of power. To be bedridden to the point of being unable to get up was the limit and we clearly haven't reached it.
To be crippled in defense of the homeland was never seen as something bad, quite the contrary. Of course one has to have the means to live on, since the slums and churches are full of crippled veterans, that beg for a single penny. In practical terms, for Stanisław this will only mean he shall be out of direct combat, but can still command from the rear if he wants to. His political opportunities shall be intact as well.
[X] "How long has it been?"
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- Mists of Albion
Except we blatantly didn't, being bedridden would've allowed us to stay out of it and not lose our leg from the mid thigh down and bribery may have worked.
And again Bathory isn't where the system started to truly have issues, is was Sigismund Vasa ten years from now.
And I think we did reach our limit, I think we went past it, and decided to keep going because some people are clearly used to questing without thinking about consequences, logic or other issues and now are trying to brush past it because they fucked up.
I'm normally not this aggressive about being right and others being wrong, but I literally begged. And certain people haven't admitted they crippled Stanislaw for little reason.
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- He
[X] Just look at her.
I just feel like if we lose our leg all or choices until now we're pointless, damn.
I just feel like if we lose our leg all or choices until now we're pointless, damn.
Sertorius
Rebellious Legate
- Location
- Roma Invicta
Good thing Stanisław doesn't know that, nor does he care, because he has a different goal, that of a Habsburg King.
Um... ok?
I don't see anything wrong happening. Just another interesting experience (although I would still prefer some more gun battles). Besides, I don't see a word about losing a leg. Have a little faith.
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- Mists of Albion
But we the players know that, or at least people who do basic reading about the period in Poland should know that.
At this point it's clear that you're not going to admit that getting us crippled for no reason was a fuck up.
You're literally describing a horrific thing, something that will massively harm and impact Stanislaw's life and our ability to act in a lot of ways 'another interesting experience'.
I have repeatedly expressed my hope that we won't lose the leg, and I still hope that we don't.
But if we do? It's partly on you.
Kir the Wizard
The Sun King
- Location
- Ukraine
[X] Just look at her.
"Half a corpse and half a god."
Since it's not a birth defect, but an injury lost in honorable combat in defense of the country, the reputational problems are unlikely. There may be pity for losing more chances for knightly glory at a younger age, but having to stop as an active fighter to take a "back side command" role due to old age or heavy injury is not something unseen in this era. Old age didn't stop our contemporary Hetman Sahaidachny from going on daring campaigns, even if he couldn't fight directly, another contemporary, a rebel Cossack leader Matviy Shaula lost a hand and kept actively fighting for a few more months until the rebellion was put down. But, of course, losing a leg is a much harder event, and it depends on how much of a leg has been lost (and how much movement will it be possible for Stas to handle). His princely origins are also a factor, of course he will not have to suffer the same stigma or misfortune that someone of a lower class would have to suffer.
So what I'm hearing is that, at worst, we can make a job four ourselves as a military intellectual with all this spare time.
Our career isn't over, then. Excellent.
I have ideas on logistics and artillery reforms for the benefit of the Commonwealth, and I look forward to making the Sejm's and the King's life a living Hell as an actively engaged parliamentarian.
Sertorius
Rebellious Legate
- Location
- Roma Invicta
That is why I won't act on that. I am vehemently opposed to using such meta knowledge since times immemorial. Bathory is an Ottoman slave and an enemy of the Habsburgs for Staś and that is all he knows and cares about.
Good.
Ever since the Muscovite border and the Tatar incursion things finally started to be interesting. War wounds are part of the charm and more than one young and promising lad had his life cut short or drastically altered due to an enemy blade or bullet. Stanisław is nothing new nor spectacular in that regard. Indeed, that very fact makes him a more interesting character. Whatever I proposed, I always did so in the spirit of Sarmatism, without modern day sensibilities taken into consideration. Death, pain, suffering, sickness, crippling wounds, etc. were much more prevalent than today for the Average Joe. People were much more used to them, therefore they were more accepting of inflicting such pain onto others, as well as more persevering. The whole "macho culture" is far older than you can imagine and has its roots in what our ancestors did.
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- United States
[X] "How long has it been?"
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- Mists of Albion
So basically you decided we needed to risk death and get crippled because you thought it'd be fun. Don't dress it up in crap about sarmitism and macho culture, we were offered an out, even other men in the room were shocked we'd try and go, there was no indication we'd suffer a reputation hit.
In the end it was your ego, you didn't see this coming, otherwise you would've said so or replied to the many many many times I warned everyone.
You can dress it up how you like 'I wont use otl knowledge' when you openly use metaknowledge about Tartar tactics and counter-tactics in our strategy turns among other times you've basically dumped meta-info into the thread, 'I was roleplaying' when you didn't acknowledge the actual risks until after it became clear I was right and you never used that excuse until, again, after it became clear you fucked up, 'it's macho culture' when we have literally seen other people look at us like we're crazy for doing what we did. It's not historical macho culture.
It's your ego.
