Yes for nothing. We could've just sent the money. This was pointless and I literally screamed at everyone for three pages about this.Not for nothing, I hope.
[X] "How long has it been?"
Let's get our bearings, then.
It would've.To be fair we don't know whether just staying in bed would have saved the leg.
Better to have not lost the entire leg at all.[X] Just look at her.
If we lost the leg we lost the leg, still better than dying.
Well he can't fight in the military, he can't do a job that requires walking, again, prosthetics aren't advanced enough to be able to make that work when you've lost a leg above the knee, he's going to need a job that will let him limp/hop/use crutches to get around short distances or use a litter.@Sertorius, @Kir the Wizard, what sorts of career opportunities does our Stanislaw have now that he's short a leg, and how will the world look upon him in this state now?
Like I said, politics of the Commonwealth required sacrifices. Sick, crippled or wounded, we had make an appearance. Many of the greatest commanders and politicians of the day tended to their duties in public despite pain and suffering, because that was their job and the price of power. To be bedridden to the point of being unable to get up was the limit and we clearly haven't reached it.You all chose not to stay in bed for even a day. Stanislaw will likely spend the majority of his life stuck in a bed or litter now.
Ironic. Tragic. Stupid.
Edit: I literally god damn pleaded with people, I literally begged. And now it's likely exactly what I said would happen has happens. Stanislaw may have earned the Nickname Ajax but I'm apparently Cassandra.
To be crippled in defense of the homeland was never seen as something bad, quite the contrary. Of course one has to have the means to live on, since the slums and churches are full of crippled veterans, that beg for a single penny. In practical terms, for Stanisław this will only mean he shall be out of direct combat, but can still command from the rear if he wants to. His political opportunities shall be intact as well.@Sertorius, @Kir the Wizard, what sorts of career opportunities does our Stanislaw have now that he's short a leg, and how will the world look upon him in this state now?
Except we blatantly didn't, being bedridden would've allowed us to stay out of it and not lose our leg from the mid thigh down and bribery may have worked.Like I said, politics of the Commonwealth required sacrifices. Sick, crippled or wounded, we had make an appearance. Many of the greatest commanders and politicians of the day tended to their duties in public despite pain and suffering, because that was their job and the price of power. To be bedridden to the point of being unable to get up was the limit and we clearly haven't reached it.
Good thing Stanisław doesn't know that, nor does he care, because he has a different goal, that of a Habsburg King.And again Bathory isn't where the system started to truly have issues, is was Sigismund Vasa ten years from now.
Um... ok?Except we blatantly didn't being bedridden would've allowed us to stay out of it and not lose our leg from the mid thigh down and bribery may have worked.
But we the players know that, or at least people who do basic reading about the period in Poland should know that.Good thing Stanisław doesn't know that, nor does he care, because he has a different goal, that of a Habsburg King.
At this point it's clear that you're not going to admit that getting us crippled for no reason was a fuck up.Um... ok?
I don't see anything wrong happening. Just another interesting experience (although I would still prefer some more gun battles). Besides, I don't see a word about losing a leg. Have a little faith
"Half a corpse and half a god."
Since it's not a birth defect, but an injury lost in honorable combat in defense of the country, the reputational problems are unlikely. There may be pity for losing more chances for knightly glory at a younger age, but having to stop as an active fighter to take a "back side command" role due to old age or heavy injury is not something unseen in this era. Old age didn't stop our contemporary Hetman Sahaidachny from going on daring campaigns, even if he couldn't fight directly, another contemporary, a rebel Cossack leader Matviy Shaula lost a hand and kept actively fighting for a few more months until the rebellion was put down. But, of course, losing a leg is a much harder event, and it depends on how much of a leg has been lost (and how much movement will it be possible for Stas to handle). His princely origins are also a factor, of course he will not have to suffer the same stigma or misfortune that someone of a lower class would have to suffer.@Sertorius, @Kir the Wizard, what sorts of career opportunities does our Stanislaw have now that he's short a leg, and how will the world look upon him in this state now?
To be crippled in defense of the homeland was never seen as something bad, quite the contrary. Of course one has to have the means to live on, since the slums and churches are full of crippled veterans, that beg for a single penny. In practical terms, for Stanisław this will only mean he shall be out of direct combat, but can still command from the rear if he wants to. His political opportunities shall be intact as well.
So what I'm hearing is that, at worst, we can make a job four ourselves as a military intellectual with all this spare time.Since it's not a birth defect, but an injury lost in honorable combat in defense of the country, the reputational problems are unlikely. There may be pity for losing more chances for knightly glory at a younger age, but having to stop as an active fighter to take a "back side command" role due to old age or heavy injury is not something unseen in this era. Old age didn't stop our contemporary Hetman Sahaidachny from going on daring campaigns, even if he couldn't fight directly, another contemporary, a rebel Cossack leader Matviy Shaula lost a hand and kept actively fighting for a few more months until the rebellion was put down. But, of course, losing a leg is a much harder event, and it depends on how much of a leg has been lost (and how much movement will it be possible for Stas to handle). His princely origins are also a factor, of course he will not have to suffer the same stigma or misfortune that someone of a lower class would have to suffer.
That is why I won't act on that. I am vehemently opposed to using such meta knowledge since times immemorial. Bathory is an Ottoman slave and an enemy of the Habsburgs for Staś and that is all he knows and cares about.But we the players know that, or at least people who do basic reading about the period in Poland should know that.
Good.At this point it's clear that you're not going to admit that getting us crippled for no reason was a fuck up.
You're literally describing a horrific thing, something that will massively harm and impact Stanislaw's life and our ability to act in a lot of ways 'another interesting experience'.
I have repeatedly expressed my hope that we won't lose the leg, and I still hope that we don't.
But if we do? It's partly on you.
So basically you decided we needed to risk death and get crippled because you thought it'd be fun. Don't dress it up in crap about sarmitism and macho culture, we were offered an out, even other men in the room were shocked we'd try and go, there was no indication we'd suffer a reputation hit.That is why I won't act on that. I am vehemently opposed to using such meta knowledge since times immemorial. Bathory is an Ottoman slave and an enemy of the Habsburgs for Staś and that is all he knows and cares about.
Good.
Ever since the Muscovite border and the Tatar incursion things finally started to be interesting. War wounds are part of the charm and more than one young and promising lad had his life cut short or drastically altered due to an enemy blade or bullet. Stanisław is nothing new nor spectacular in that regard. Indeed, that very fact makes him a more interesting character. Whatever I proposed, I always did so in the spirit of Sarmatism, without modern day sensibilities taken into consideration. Death, pain, suffering, sickness, crippling wounds, etc. were much more prevalent than today for the Average Joe. People were much more used to them, therefore they were more accepting of inflicting such pain onto others, as well as more persevering. The whole "macho culture" is far older than you can imagine and has its roots in what our ancestors did.