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[] Write-in: "Very well, you've served admirably and courageously. You shall have the enemy's weapons and armor and horses, yet I must request a handful of your men stay behind to assist me as emissaries to Bakczysaraj."
[] You stand tall. "I'll go to Bakczysaraj myself and settle the score. You all can decide what to do here. Treat my men well."

In the end the Radziwill are still only basically kings, and of that, in only a portion of the Commonwealth, and Stanislaw's value as a hostage is still only about as equivalent as a Mirza, with all the other great dynasties and notable figures to carry on the fight, and that's of the Mirza only- without the rest of his host of other captives. And resolving this quickly with his Lipka and with his august presence, either with good faith negotiations, insubstantial mercenary exchanges, or indeed coming from a roundabout way of climatically ending the war with his own captivity and follow-up ransoms and negotiations, is key to getting back home to try and prepare the ground any further for the Hapsburg faction. Plus, its rather likely that with the absences of the lord prince and the Lipka the Royal Secretary gets our hotblooded cousins to compromise and start scooping up returning Chambuls while waiting for the negotiations to bare fruit instead of pushing forward for the rest of the campaigning season like they want too.

Actually- let me change it to a write-in spelling out the implicit understanding and quid-pro-quo

[X] Write-in: "Very well, you've served admirably and courageously. You shall have the enemy's weapons and armor and horses, yet I must request a handful of your men stay behind to assist me as emissaries to Bakczysaraj."
[X] Write-in: "This evil needs to end one way or another, but the Lipka will have to withdraw soon beyond some negotiators for the peace mission, leaving the prospects of catching the Chambuls outside of their slow and loot-laden return back to camp that much harder. I myself will go with my Lipka to settle this, and I leave the other sort of business to you gentlemen."

[X] flog any of his men found in possession of looted goods.

This, I'm choosing just to complete the package of the bible-thumping and logistically and strategically minded taskmaster sort of commander. As long as the frenzied heroics he pumps himself up into to overcome his fear and disgust at the horrors of war don't just get them all killed and he stays crazy like a fox, some of the men might actually come to appreciate his weird freak energy and his harsh discipline, like Wellington's relationship with his redcoat scum of the earth. (Plus in the here and now they're getting paid back even moreso out of further Tatar spoils)
 
[X] Write-in: "Very well, you've served admirably and courageously. You shall have the enemy's weapons and armor and horses, yet I must request a handful of your men stay behind to assist me as emissaries to Bakczysaraj."

[X] let his men know that they shall not receive double pay, but promise better rates should they shape up.

[X] "We're too bloodied to go on. Let us dispatch emissaries and see what comes of it, and respond to any new incursions.
 
[X] Write-in: "Very well, you've served admirably and courageously. You shall have the enemy's weapons and armor and horses, yet I must request a handful of your men stay behind to assist me as emissaries to Bakczysaraj."

[X] let his men know that they shall not receive double pay, but promise better rates should they shape up.

[X] "We're too bloodied to go on. Let us dispatch emissaries and see what comes of it, and respond to any new incursions.
 
[x] "We're too bloodied to go on. Let us dispatch emissaries and see what comes of it, and respond to any new incursions."
[x] Write-in: "Very well, you've served admirably and courageously. You shall have the enemy's weapons and armor and horses, yet I must request a handful of your men stay behind to assist me as emissaries to Bakczysaraj."
 
[X] Write-in: "Very well, you've served admirably and courageously. You shall have the enemy's weapons and armor and horses, yet I must request a handful of your men stay behind to assist me as emissaries to Bakczysaraj."

[X] let his men know that they shall not receive double pay, but promise better rates should they shape up.

[X] "We're too bloodied to go on. Let us dispatch emissaries and see what comes of it, and respond to any new incursions.
 
[X] Write-in: "Very well, you've served admirably and courageously. You shall have the enemy's weapons and armor and horses, yet I must request a handful of your men stay behind to assist me as emissaries to Bakczysaraj."

[X] let his men know that they shall not receive double pay, but promise better rates should they shape up.

[X] "We're too bloodied to go on. Let us dispatch emissaries and see what comes of it, and respond to any new incursions.
 
I'm a little confused...
Okay, I'm gonna close voting and start writing soon given the big margin, but I'd like to make sure I've got this right:

Write-in: "Very well, you've served admirably and courageously. You shall have the enemy's weapons and armor and horses, yet I must request a handful of your men stay behind to assist me as emissaries to Bakczysaraj."

"We're too bloodied to go on. Let us dispatch emissaries and see what comes of it, and respond to any new incursions."

These are our two provisional winners, and are the ones I'm confused about. Am I meant to understand that you are personally going to Bakhchisaray ("assist me"), but also arguing that the PLC army should hang back and lick its wounds? Or are we only sending Lipkas, while you stay home ("let us dispatch emissaries"). @bookwyrm wrote the write-in -- what was your intent?

Everybody else, feel free to chime in with your understanding, too! Just wanna make sure I get this right.
 
When I did the write in, it was at first with the understanding that we'd be going ourselves with the Lipka in our escort to be emissaries to the Crimean Tatars. However, once the "Go yourself" option was agreed upon by everyone else to be changed to "Dispatch emissaries", I interpreted it as we're rewarding the Lipkas for their service whilst retaining a handful to act as emissaries on our behalf whilst we remain with the army to lick our wounds.
 
Okay, I'm gonna close voting and start writing soon given the big margin, but I'd like to make sure I've got this right:



These are our two provisional winners, and are the ones I'm confused about. Am I meant to understand that you are personally going to Bakhchisaray ("assist me"), but also arguing that the PLC army should hang back and lick its wounds? Or are we only sending Lipkas, while you stay home ("let us dispatch emissaries"). @bookwyrm wrote the write-in -- what was your intent?

Everybody else, feel free to chime in with your understanding, too! Just wanna make sure I get this right.
When I put my vote together, I figured that it will be useful to have Tatars with any team of emissaries or negotiators, regardless of our own participation, to help navigate language and etiquette barriers. At worst, ten of them will spend a few extra weeks around camp on billable hours.

I also want more screen time for the Lipkas. They're pretty cool.
 
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Ah haaaaaaa yes, it's DevilDog, who has explained themselves here. Sorry to bother you!

Well, if nobody objects like "I feel misled!" you're goin' to Bakhchisaray!
I voted for the "We're too bloodied" option on the understanding that this was the option to follow Zamyski's lead with suing for peace, as outlined here. In my mind, we'd keep the ten Lipkas as guides and interpreters for the peace messengers and such.
This is true. It's been pointed out to us in the update that the Khan likely has many sons, but we agree much more valuable to our own family in absolute terms. Taking us hostage is the smart thing to do.

The other thing that worries me is that going by ourselves leaves Zamoyski in the rear, where he can spin this story any which way he likes. He'll most certainly beat us to the sejm that way, and we might as well give up hope of controlling the election.

Leaning towards deferring to our elder and learning Zamoyski's tricks from Zamoyski himself. There is also no shame in deferring to our more experienced elder; it may even show people that we're not completely vainglorious.

[X] Write-in: "Very well, you've served admirably and courageously. You shall have the enemy's weapons and armor and horses, yet I must request a handful of your men stay behind to assist me as emissaries to Bakczysaraj."

[X] let his men know that they shall not receive double pay, but promise better rates should they shape up.

[X] "We're too bloodied to go on. Let us dispatch emissaries and see what comes of it, and respond to any new incursions."
 

Scheduled vote count started by Rolman on Aug 12, 2024 at 7:55 PM, finished with 26 posts and 10 votes.

  • [X] Write-in: "Very well, you've served admirably and courageously. You shall have the enemy's weapons and armor and horses, yet I must request a handful of your men stay behind to assist me as emissaries to Bakczysaraj."
    [X] "We're too bloodied to go on. Let us dispatch emissaries and see what comes of it, and respond to any new incursions."
    [X] let his men know that they shall not receive double pay, but promise better rates should they shape up.
    [X] You stand tall. "I'll go to Bakczysaraj myself and settle the score. You all can decide what to do here. Treat my men well."
    [X] Write-in: "This evil needs to end one way or another, but the Lipka will have to withdraw soon beyond some negotiators for the peace mission, leaving the prospects of catching the Chambuls outside of their slow and loot-laden return back to camp that much harder. I myself will go with my Lipka to settle this, and I leave the other sort of business to you gentlemen."
    [X] flog any of his men found in possession of looted goods.
 
Runoff time! (I have no clue what's happening)
I'm too weirded out to proceed. I'm writing a going to Bakhchisaray post no matter what because it's too fun not to (trying my hand at Shogun the TV show, hehe), which you all will get to see no matter what happens.

Okay, so here's what is happening:
  • A selection of Lipkas are going on a diplomatic mission to the Khan no matter what
  • The army is adopting a defensive-reactive, wound-licking posture, whether you're there or not
  • The mercs are having their pay docked, whether you're there or not (though it's unclear what could happen should you leave)
But is our Prince personally going to the Tatar capital?

[] Yes!

[]No!
 
Hmmmm. Yeah, we're too valuable a hostage to risk ourselves.
On the other hand, it'd be fun to go personally. And sending a Prince to negotiate sends a different kind of message than sending servants to do so.

Yet, we've already tested our luck, and had two horses killed under us, and high casualties among the force we brought to the army. Going further with it is tempting fate.

[X]No!

Edit: Also just gonna go with consensus which was not to go personally anyway. Since it was my writeup that kinda threw things into chaos. Sorry y'all, didn't mean to throw a wrench into things.
 
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[X]No!

It just seems really stupid to try and personally go there ourselves.
 
Edit: Also just gonna go with consensus which was not to go personally anyway. Since it was my writeup that kinda threw things into chaos. Sorry y'all, didn't mean to throw a wrench into things.
Totally cool. Just a bit of contradictory language and then a dogpile of votes so I wanted to make totally totally certain things were as they seemed. You gave me a fun writing project to christen our apocrypha section! (if the votes keep going the way they do)
 
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