Eve of Destruction Part 2: All Along the Watchtower (Update: Now back to regular turns)
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chellewalker
President of the Water Seeker Fan Club
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While I don't think going for Mama Dolce is the end of the world, I feel like the benefits are being a bit overblown. The morality of the Chinese has been debated back and forth, but ultimately what needs to be kept in mind is that they want different things then Edgar and RADICAL do; I can see us using them, but at the same time they can very plausibly use us. But again, not the end of the world.
What I do take issue with in this plan is selling off 2 Funding; we need 12 Funding over the next 3 or so turns, and losing 2/3 of our current supply would be extremely difficult to work with. (For instance, with only 1 Funding next turn, we can't afford the Hubologist's Private Lab, which means we not only have to miss a turn with their SCIENCE dice, but also means we need to push back the Cloning Sponsorship for the Clone Lab RADICAL thing.)
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We can rob Pluto Compound and raid RobCo or Pinkertor Warchest and apply the stolen money on the same turn, like we did in Knightfall. Also the @The Bird did say we can go on debt, just not too deep and things should be fine.
Also we have Australia Expedition that's going to reward us something. It could be Funding for all we know.
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I don't think the long-term intentions of the Chinese are going to be much of an issue. We've only got 3 years tops before the world is destroyed and for the time being the short term goals of China and RADICAL are very much aligned; we both seek to do as much damage to fascistic US institutions as possible. I'll admit that my perspectives on China's morality are very much influenced by TheInnerMoon's pre-war Fallout China quest where China very much operates like an internationalist Marxist state with the objective of spreading revolution.
I agree with you on the funding which is why I think 'Bare Necessities' and 'Covering Our Bases' are the plans to go with.
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- Sweden
[X] Plan: Throw the Good Ones a Bone
-[X] Sell
--[X] 1 AGENT
--[X] 1 SECURITY
--[X] 1 Chems
--[X] 1 Disaster
--[X] 1 Genetics
--[X] 1 Government
-[X] Buy
--[X] Exchange Agents (Harlem)
--[X] Garrahan Mining
--[X] DoP Finance Grants (Daisy Technological Enterprises)
--[X] DoP Finance Grants (Garrahan Mining)
--[X] Laser Tower Defense Arrays (0/150 --> 2/150)
-[X] Sell
--[X] 1 AGENT
--[X] 1 SECURITY
--[X] 1 Chems
--[X] 1 Disaster
--[X] 1 Genetics
--[X] 1 Government
-[X] Buy
--[X] Exchange Agents (Harlem)
--[X] Garrahan Mining
--[X] DoP Finance Grants (Daisy Technological Enterprises)
--[X] DoP Finance Grants (Garrahan Mining)
--[X] Laser Tower Defense Arrays (0/150 --> 2/150)
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- United States
[X] Plan: Throw the Good Ones a Bone
[X] Plan: Helping Friends
[X] Plan: Helping Friends
always_confused
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- SEA
[X] Plan: Helping Friends
I honestly read it as character bias that makes China look better than it was, but besides that the fact that China uses bioweapons liberally, which are naturally hard to control, doesn't give me much hope about their morality.
But if do want to do the maximum amount of damage then they are probably good choice so long as we are willing to accept civilian casualties. That and I remember reading on the wiki that they killed one of their American supporters even after they did what they wanted to cover their tracks so something to look out for.
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I can't stress this enough but people really need to consider the fact that we can't afford to spread ourselves so thin. It's one thing to grab Mama Dolce or Garrahn partnership but both at the same time just seems like it would be more detrimental then anything. Like I said before we already have to do numerous projects thanks to our mandates and that's not counting the projects we already.
If we are working on a time limit feels like trying to do too much at the same time is really not helping us and in fact just making things way harder than they need to be. If people are worried about the timeline and us not being able to influence things then it seems like it makes way more sense to not spread out too much and just focus on building up our base/lair so that we can actually influence things.
Seriously, our base of operations hasn't even started being built up and people are already deciding to spread ourselves thin. Seems like it would make way more sense to build up our base and army before seriously contemplating doing anything serious.
Also the influence thing isn't going to be nearly as much of an issue before the convention thanks to the lair giving influence with each thing built into it.
This is also something that really needs to be stressed since people are going to be heavily influenced by this but the QM flat out said that we pretty much guaranteed to have pushed back the timeline thanks to the whole DC incident. So it's not that much of an issue.
If we are working on a time limit feels like trying to do too much at the same time is really not helping us and in fact just making things way harder than they need to be. If people are worried about the timeline and us not being able to influence things then it seems like it makes way more sense to not spread out too much and just focus on building up our base/lair so that we can actually influence things.
Seriously, our base of operations hasn't even started being built up and people are already deciding to spread ourselves thin. Seems like it would make way more sense to build up our base and army before seriously contemplating doing anything serious.
Also the influence thing isn't going to be nearly as much of an issue before the convention thanks to the lair giving influence with each thing built into it.
StarSingerBlue
Zenryoku Zenkai !
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[X] Plan: Throw the Good Ones a Bone
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- United States
Recently watched a video called Why Is Australia Turning Ordinary Animals into Monsters, bringing it up due to the whole Australian expedition. Just a plant with venom comparable to spider venom and everything else there. Plus something about a stick bug able to reproduce after death as it's so similar to plants that what look like seeds can survive a bird's digestive system.
...Kinda curious if we could get samples of the sea grass off the coast called Posidonia australis. What with it being the biggest plant known and probably largest known example of cloning while still having those clones able to survive a wide range of conditions. Also still capable of normal reproduction and how long they've been around. One meadow of them is the largest organism world alongside being among the oldest known cloning plants.
I'm just wondering what we could possibly do with samples such as the atomiplants or something...
...Kinda curious if we could get samples of the sea grass off the coast called Posidonia australis. What with it being the biggest plant known and probably largest known example of cloning while still having those clones able to survive a wide range of conditions. Also still capable of normal reproduction and how long they've been around. One meadow of them is the largest organism world alongside being among the oldest known cloning plants.
I'm just wondering what we could possibly do with samples such as the atomiplants or something...
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[X] Plan: Helping Friends
[X] Plan: Sustainable Wasteland 2: Revengence
[X] Plan: Covering All Our Bases (RIP Garrahan)
[X] Plan: Mercy Mercy Me (The Agronomy)
The South is red like atomic bombs/From RADICAL comes Edgar McCoy...
[X] Plan: Sustainable Wasteland 2: Revengence
[X] Plan: Covering All Our Bases (RIP Garrahan)
[X] Plan: Mercy Mercy Me (The Agronomy)
The South is red like atomic bombs/From RADICAL comes Edgar McCoy...
TheInnerMoon
Anarchist, Author, All-Around Philosopher
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Speaking as someone familiar with that quest and its author, I'd remind you that even that 'internationalist' version of the PRC is a self-serving entity which has no trouble screwing over its allies or cutting a deal with the Americans. Knowing the conditions of FUSA though, all I can say is "Chairman Cheng is the Red Sun in the Hearts of the People of the World! Death to the bourgeois imperialists!"
[X] Plan: Helping Friends
Paradoxically, if Garrahan's success maintains a low degree of automation in the US mining industry, that would slow down the tendency of the rate of profit to fall and thereby the crisis tendencies of Capital. The accelerationist in me would thus want full automation ASAP. But given that that would also undermine (pun intended) the remains of worker power in the region, I must support my West Virginian comrades.
[X] Plan: Helping Friends
The Bird
tEM IS GUD...RITER!
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- In that den of villains and scum, OKLAHOMA
That Black Isle are orientalists?
TBH yeah this is kind of an issue with Fallout's treatment of China in general in that even as it dissects and satirizes many elements of cold war americana it also shallowly and uncritically borrows from unfortunately cold war eastern stereotypes and orientalist tropes whenever China comes up- with very little accuracy to historical maoism or chinese communism in general.
Suffice to say I'm probably going to depict them in a manner closer to TheInnerMoon's version- not a 1 to 1, mind- than the meme version indistinguishable from sinophobic cold war propaganda we usually get in fallout.
There is actually very little evidence outside FUSA propaganda that China used bioweapons- in fact, doing research, the notion that the new plague was a bioweapon at all apparently originates from one of the lore books where the implication is that America engineered it.
Per Fallout Bible 0, apparently:
And y'know what, honestly the China discourse has annoyed me enough that I'm canonizing that conspiracy theory just to shut people up about China being equivocal. Most of it's based on what has either been shallow misunderstandings of the PRC, uncritically accepting fascist bothsame narratives, or apparently straight up bad fanon, so here's my official WoG:
The people accusing FUSA of engineering the New Plague are entirely correct, it was a DoD bioweapons project that was used to justify tighter state control that either went horribly wrong or worked entirely as intended, depending on how you look at it.
TheInnerMoon
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Well, if you need a consultant on Eve of Destruction's China content, I know a guy.
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I think it was meant that China aggressively use bioweapons not that they were the ones behind the New Plague.
West-Tek, per Fallout Bible 0, conduct research to cure the New Plague since 2055, in 2073 they sign a defense contract and form the Pan-Immunity Virion Project to research cures for the numerous biochemical weapons China was deploying and eventually evolved to the FEV in order to create super soldiers.
Also the idea China use bioweapons came from the holodisk in Fallou 1 located in the Glow, since the holotape is a quick guide about FEV, a top secret experiment to create super soldiers, there is little reason why lie or redact about the origins of the project itself.
I think people in universe tend to link the FEV was supposed to cure the New Plague because of incomplete information or mix it up, something that's understandable since much information was lost during the Great War and even more due the ravages of time also West-Tek was also researching ways to cure the NP and use apply some of that research into the PVP and later FEV, thus the mix up in thinking the New Plague was part of the research.
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I think it would be cool if that was accident because the people in charge underestimated how virulent it would be, I mean there's was some disclose projects out there where the US test biological weapons on a small towns and major cities during the Cold War to see how local authorities would react and check for vulnerabilities in the response time. I definitely see something happening her as well only that gone terrible wrong.
I think the Enclave would see as a success since it's possible they have used the chaos of the pandemic and the Resource Wars to become fully embed in the US government and the Sino-American War solidify they shadow rule since now they are free to pass as many authoritarian policies they wish and destroy anyone that can stand on they way.
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- United states
[X] Plan: Throw the Good Ones a Bone
Going with this because while I'm not totally on board with it really feels like we just flat out wouldn't be able to add anymore on our plate without making things harder then need be.
To give a list of everything we are working on and need to do:
I ask again, what is the plan in regards to grabbing even more things to put on our plate when we haven't even started a bunch of crucial projects we need to do? Garrahen is one thing, Mama Dolce is another and even one of these would be adding more to our overloaded plate but I'm honestly not seeing how we will even be doing any of their projects or more than one over a single year at the moment with every other thing we already need to get started on. And that's before we get any new mandates or something more comes up.
Do people really really see us doing more than one project for either Garrahan or Mama Dolce for the entire year when taking into acount every other thing we need to do? Especially considering that we are still working on a single project for just Daisytech?
And of course giving away funding just makes this even more harder on us.
Going with this because while I'm not totally on board with it really feels like we just flat out wouldn't be able to add anymore on our plate without making things harder then need be.
To give a list of everything we are working on and need to do:
| To do List- 1) Build floodwalls for every single community. 2) Build more weather stations to reduce damage from the super storms every year 3) Finish the Menagerie 4) Finish TAPP- which is a 500 progress project 5) Finish laser ballon project 6) Work on more laser project for Wilbur's brain quest 7) Do ACME Loans for our religious fanatic brain quest 8) Finish two more weird projects for Skulder's brain quest 9) finish the Co-op garden 10) Do the nuke a hurricane mandate 11) Work on Sophia's brain quest 12) Start and finish the Hubologist sponsorship 13) Complete the Bootlegger brigade 14) Complete a phase one garage and safe house 15) Build a Phase Two Reznivok Private Lab 16) Do a sponsorship action to be able to get Alvicorp cloning 17) complete the Alvicorp cloning project 18) Do Hover brain insurance 19) Put a cloning lab in our lair 20) Build a factory in our lair 21) Build docks for our lair 22) Build a power peanut plantation in our lair 23) Do Feelsgood mandate 24) Deal with the Pinkertons 25) Deal with House's agent 26) Deal with whoever the gov sends after RADICAL after our last stunt 27) Spend several turns and by extension our dice robbing numerous places just to be able to do several of these projects |
I ask again, what is the plan in regards to grabbing even more things to put on our plate when we haven't even started a bunch of crucial projects we need to do? Garrahen is one thing, Mama Dolce is another and even one of these would be adding more to our overloaded plate but I'm honestly not seeing how we will even be doing any of their projects or more than one over a single year at the moment with every other thing we already need to get started on. And that's before we get any new mandates or something more comes up.
Do people really really see us doing more than one project for either Garrahan or Mama Dolce for the entire year when taking into acount every other thing we need to do? Especially considering that we are still working on a single project for just Daisytech?
And of course giving away funding just makes this even more harder on us.
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