The American Experiment (Riot Quest)

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[X] The United Front will send aid.
-[X] Among which shall be, at least, ACUA's Army of the Toilers and AdP's Milicia Popular.
 
[X] The United Front will send aid.
-[x] Among which shall be, at least, ACUA's Army of the Toilers and AdP's Milicia Popular.
 
[X] The United Front will send aid.
-[x] Among which shall be, at least, ACUA's Army of the Toilers and AdP's Milicia Popular.
 
[x] Send the army to protect the strike.
[x] The United Front will send aid.
-[x] Among which shall be, at least, ACUA's Army of the Toilers and AdP's Milicia Popular.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Physici on May 31, 2024 at 10:03 PM, finished with 58 posts and 31 votes.
 
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Constituent Assembly Part 6: Names and the Capital
The arguments in favor of all residents voting won the day, giving franchise to those temporarily or even permanently non-citizens. The potential for making the citizenship process easier was considered, but leaving this to Congress was deemed insufficient. And besides, there were groups such as American Indians who may prefer not to have citizenship, but should still have the right to vote.

There was a very limited disenfranchisement written in: an enemy polity's officers and elected officials would be permanently disenfranchised and barred from holding office. This was likely only to apply to the Northern and Southern rival governments, preventing those influential people from becoming part of the new government.

While there was some support for yearly elections, it was decided that would be too disruptive, and instead they would be every other year. In order to ensure turnover and prevent ossification of influential political figures, these would have 18 year term limits, with no more than 6 years consecutively.

Snap elections were a common feature of parliamentary democracies, thus far absent from America. The Constituent Assembly decided to adopt them but only when Congress decided to with a majority vote. This would hopefully allow a dysfunctional Congress to dissolve itself, though the risk of it being so dysfunctional it couldn't even do that could only be solved with large recall campaigns.

As for the size of electoral districts, they mandated them to be large to ensure even representation. This meant 6-12 representatives elected for every district. It also meant even a smaller minor party could get some amount of representation.


A topic considered long overdue, the Constituent Assembly has begun arguing on what name the new nation should have. There have been numerous proposals, with various implications within. Including "People's Republic", as Hawaii did, symbolizes their fundamental different nature to the old bourgeoisie republics. Including "in America" or "of America" is a dichotomy of a simple statement of location of it being a republic for that location—a somewhat meaningless distinction in many people's opinion. They could also decide not to include a geographic descriptor at all, as many supported the idea of a singular world republic, of which this could be the start.


A capital was also needed. Washington D.C. was an old symbol and rebuilt without government bureaucracy, making little reason for it. Chicago was currently used as the provisional capital, making it an obvious choice. But not the only one. New York was the largest and most diverse city, leading to arguments that it was the most representative. And as the first capital of America, the constitutionalists considered it a compromise choice. The technocrats also came up with a proposal to build a new city. While an expensive undertaking, starting from scratch can have benefits from not having to work around what already exists or displacing people.


Additionally, outside the assembly there have been proposals to rename some cities. The Provisional Congress did have the power to rename cities, and was deliberating at the same time. Washington D.C., the old capital, was an obvious one, as losing its status as a district outside the states made the current name not make as much sense. Currently the most popular proposal was to rename it to the Colombian Commune.

It was hardly the only city that could be renamed. Many cities were named after old European cities and/or old reactionaries, such as St. Louis ultimately deriving from King Louis of France. Thus, there were proposals for renaming other cities as well.


[][nation] People's Republic in America
[][nation] United Communes of America
[][nation] The People's Republic
[][nation] Write-in


[][capital] Washington D.C.

The old capital, it symbolizes the new country's status as a successor state. However, the old government buildings were destroyed and have not been rebuilt.

Constitutionalist +1, Revolutionary Socialist -1

X0.72 voting multiplier

[][capital] Chicago

The provisional capital with existing infrastructure and a transportation hub. It has existing government buildings but they must be expanded to fit the larger Congress and more government infrastructure.

Voightist +1, constitutionalist -1

X1.01 voting modifier

[][capital] New York

The largest and most diverse city.

Anarcho-collectivist +1

X1.14 voting modifier

[][capital] Metropolis, IL

A proposal from the 1850s brought up once more, suggesting building an entirely new capital on rational grounds. A central location near the western hinterlands, St. Louis, and between the Chicago railway hub and New Orleans river/ocean transportation hub, it is in an ideal location, and it currently being small just makes it easier to build from scratch. However, it would necessitate building from scratch when there's other things to focus on and does not have an existing labor pool right there to do so.

Technocrats +2, constitutionalists -1

X0.83 voting multiplier


Note: Renaming cities is not under the Constituent Assembly's purview, I have put it here because it fits with the other options here. This vote IC is done by the Provisional Congress.

[][name] Rename Washington D.C. to Colombian Commune.
[][name] Rename Washington D.C. to name.

[][name] Rename city to name.

[][name] Do not rename cities.



Any city with more votes for renaming it than there are votes against renaming cities will be renamed.


Interest GroupsFactions# of delegates
Anarcho-Syndicalists⅔ SLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Anarchist, Industrial Unionism124
Anarcho-Collectivists½ SLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Anarchist, Commune-Federal372
Anarcho-CommunistsRevolutionary Socialist, Anarchist, Commune-Federal24
Appalachians⅓ SLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Anarchist, Commune-Federal, Local-Autonomy132
Various MarxistsSLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Statist, Industrial Unionism, Unitary, Marxist259
Marxist-VoightistsSLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Statist, Unitary, Minority, Marxist704
Other statist socialistsSLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Statist, Unitary, Minority20
PossibilistsSLP, Social Democrat, Constitutionalist, Statist104
Technocrats⅓ SLP, Social Democrat, Constitutionalist, Statist50
Indigenous Rights½ SLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Local-Autonomy, Minority18
LLRPConstitutionalist, Statist, State-Federal64
Urbanist LeftistsSLP, Minority, Revolutionary Socialist, Unitary53
Agrarian SocialistsSLP, Minority, Revolutionary Socialist, Commune-Federal, Agrarianism169
JeffersoniansSLP, Minority, Constitutionalist, Statist, Unitary, Agrarianism49
Religious Socialists½ SLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Anarchist, Commune-Federal62
SoldiersSLP, Revolutionary Socialist, Statist16
Christian Socialists of AmericaConstitutionalist, Social Democrat, Statist, State-Federal28
Progressive RepublicansConstitutionalist, Statist, State-Federal, Pro-Business53
Democratic-PopulistsConstitutionalist, Statist, State-Federal, Agrarianism, Pro-Business274
Left-PopulistsConstitutionalist, Statist, State-Federal, Agrarianism44
Total2619



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[X][capital] New York
[X][name] Rename Washington D.C. to Debs Commune

Bc we want to keep the acronym
[X][nation] United Socialist States of America
I've never seen "USSA" in an alt history before.
[X][nation] People's Republic in America
If not, then I like the idea of "in _____" becoming the terminology for socialist states. It implies less nationalism, that this is merely one branch of the eventual global People's Republic, one that just so happens to be in America.

@Physici I don't think New York shouldn't have the Constitutionalist -1, because it was the first capital of the nation, and the one George Washington preferred. They obviously wouldn't prefer it, but I'm pretty sure it'd be a good compromise for them.
 
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[X][capital] Chicago

I like the place, ok?

[X][name] Do not rename cities.

It's got too much history to just wipe away. We want to remember what came before and what we're fighting for

[X][nation] People's Republic of America

Of sounds better than in.
 
@Physici I don't think New York shouldn't have the Constitutionalist -1, because it was the first capital of the nation, and the one George Washington preferred. They obviously wouldn't prefer it, but I'm pretty sure it'd be a good compromise for them.
Yeah that's fair, I'll edit.

Also: Voting is not open yet to give time for discussion.
 
[][nation] People's Republic in America
[][capital] Chicago
[][name] Support local renaming initiatives away from reactionary figures, but otherwise leave commune naming to the individual communes.

The People's Republic in America, because our revolution does not represent all peoples, yet it is expressly intended to join together in a world-republic. Make our mission statement clear from the name, both of our aims and of our humility. The spark caught here first, but the fire is not ours alone.

As for Chicago, it's already got the infrastructure, it's more central to the existing nation, and doesn't require building a completely new city.

Meanwhile, I'm against centrally directed renaming as being a pointless bit of federal versus commune friction to engage in right off the bat. (If Physices is wanting to outsource the renaming to the players to help with the workload, that's an entirely different story, of course.)
 
[][nation] American Federative Socialist Council Republic
[][name] Do not rename cities.
[][capital] New York
 
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[x][nation] Write-in: North American Commonwealth
[x][nation] Write-in: North American Social Republic
[x][nation] Write-in: North American Democratic Republic
[x][nation] Write-in: North American People's Republic
[x][capital] Chicago
[x][name] Rename Washington D.C. to Anacostia Commune.
-[x] Subject to ratification by residents of same
[x][name] Rename Washington D.C. to Potomac Commune.
-[x] Subject to ratification by residents of same
[x][name] Rename Washington D.C. to Douglass Commune.
-[x] Subject to ratification by residents of same
[x][name] Rename Washington D.C. to Columbian Commune.
-[x] Subject to ratification by residents of same

The name of the state should reflect its unitary structure (i.e., not union or federation), democratic basis, and socialist commitments. My preferred alternatives are listed in order. "Of" vs. "in" was a pointless diversion in Spartcaus Rising when neither word was actually used in the German name of the state, and we can avoid using either here too. Avoidance of nationalism is better done through referring to geography rather than nationality in any event.

Chicago is the obvious choice for a capital, being: a hub of transport and center of industry; historically important to the American and world socialist movements as the birthplace of the Eight-Hours movement and the United Front; the only RPG capital not to have faced enemy siege or occupation during the late civil war; deliberately equipped with the infrastructure to host large legislative and working assemblies; and the host of the International Socialist Bureau.

I take the point that a commune with self-government should be able to pick its own name, but I see this as a game-mechanical conceit to let the players vote on something. We can stipulate that it's an advisory vote subject to local ratification. As for what, I prefer geographic names ("Anacostia" over "Potomac" because while the latter river is more prominent, the city under discussion is the only one of any size on the former river), but contriving to keep the "D.C." acronym in a politically correct way tickles me. If it's to be "Columbian," though, it should be spelled right.

On the other hand, attempting to exhaustively rename every problematic city in the country (e.g., the myriad "Jacksons"), while a good project for a dedicated working group, is too much for little ol' me.
 
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[jk][nation] Write-in: North American Despotate
[jk][nation] Write-in: People's Republic of Tyranny
[jk][name] Rename Port Royal to Port Rouge.
[jk][name] Rename San Diego to Marxopolis.
[jk][name] Rename Los Angeles to Los Atheisteles.
[jk][name] Rename San Francisco to DeLeonia.
[jk][name] Rename Sacramento to Proletaria.
[jk][name] Rename Washington D.C. to Stalingrad 0: the Prequel.
 
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[][nation] Write-in: Revolutionary Republic of America
[][nation] Write-in: People's/Worker's/Socialist Commonwealth of America
[][nation] Write-in: United Labor Collective of America


I'm against including North America in the name unless we actually have Canada :V
 
For a slightly more serious write-in
[][nation] Write-in: Republic of Labor
or
[][nation] Write-in: Republic of Labor in America
for those who want that.

It is very funny to me that my suggestion about using 'in' rather than 'of' in Spartacus Rising has apparently stuck around in socialist revolution quests. It was basically something I tossed out for novelty's sake, though I did make some attempt at an in-universe justification about avoiding nationalism.
 
[X][nation] Write-in: United Communes of America
[X][capital] New York
[X][capital] Metropolis, IL

[][capital] Write-in: New Orleans, LA
[][name] Rename New Orleans to Das Capital
 
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I don't like the "in" stuff. Sure I get the point but it's just not natural language use and it will make us sound silly in our own language, unlike in Germany quest where it was always an awkward translation anyway.
 
[][nation] American Socialist Council Republic
[][name] Do not rename cities.
[][capital] New York
 
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