Warhammer Fantasy: Thirteen Tolls - An Apocalypse Quest

Anyone else feel we are underprepared for this

Depends, on what we want ending we want to achieve.

Because if the Horned Rat's formation is inevitable, and yet the Princeps already is close to transcending, is Princeps Suttar the Horned Rat himself... or another divinity who devoured the Horned Rat at his conception? Is there a difference?

We are ironically very well prepared in the realm of the Divine.... if it means accepting that some form of the Horned Rat will exist and Xenophon unironically has influence on the contours of its conception

What does Suttar devouring a part of Myrmida do to Skavendom if some form of it emerges from the now inevitable fall of Tylos?
 
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"Do you think I'm doing a good job?"
Oh? Is this an iota of self awareness.
You think you see where this is going, so you dare a little.

"You mean, if you happened to be a God, what your domains might be?"

He grins blindingly at you. His soul seems to shiver in delight.
...


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drw39IypXYw
"Ambition" you offer.
Yeah... that fits. It would also provide a keystone to the future culture of the Skaven. Warped, twisted ambition. The desire to climb to the top of the pile, no matter how foetid; something so in built to the Skaven that they will kill each other for any miniscule advantage they can get.
"What else are you, Princeps, but the paragon of what man may rise to? If life, as said by the sages, is the struggle for command, who has more than you? Who and direct the seas and lands, men and machines, light and dark? By your will, the world kneels, and all who see your radiance know it." You didn't mean to be that praiseful – at all. But now you've started, you can't seem to stop.
Uh... Xenophon, you good buddy?
Your sword is boiling hot.
Thanks Necoho.
"Well then, mayhaps we might move on to the direct point of this meeting?"
Please.
"Exactly. I will lay out what I know, and you will fill the gaps?"
And here we go.
Who, why, and what next?"

What do you say? You cannot lie but you can omit, and you can speculate.
Well, it's not surprising he doesn't get the message, Junius did alter the game plan to turn it into an assassination attempt.

Regarding the vote, I'm against giving the Princeps reason to go after Myrmidia. At least at this stage. Selling out the League just seems like an all around terrible idea, so I guess that leaves a lone actor as the who.

For the why and what next, I suppose I'd go with killing Mistress Marvos as a cover-up and then using it to access the spring, or to enable further investigation. The lack of direct links would let us push either option for what next.
or another divinity who devoured the Horned Rat at his conception? Is there a difference?
There's also the option that the Horned Rat consumed the Princeps. The proto-God in the Tower is at least capable of struggling against its restraints, it wouldn't be unheard of for the forces of Chaos to sabotage the Princeps work at the last moment. Honestly, it'd probably be the sort of thing the Four couldn't resist.
 
From my admittedly rough understanding of Warhammer Fantasy lore, wasn't the Horned Rat originally a demon of Nurgle who went his own way? Perhaps it was less willing treason against the Plaguefather than speculated, and they've got it chained down there as the fetid link to this blasphemous mechanism of apotheosis.
 
what is myrmidia's spring?
Here's a collection of (what I consider relevant) quotes from the author on the subject.
"She is Temple's representative to Myrmidia's Spring – I am not sure someone from the colonies would be aware – the great font of magic beneath the Tower."

The source of this glory was a miraculous font – clear and sweet, from which all these wonderful things came.

"Don't know who, but there wasn't dust bunny or a scrap of paper till the time I got access. They don't let people into the actual Spring, where I'd presume the rest of her stuff is, or Temple proper, so that was a dead end."

This one has not been brought up in the quest proper but is WoG on what Xenophon knows.
In time immemorial, Tyleus was exiled by his people for a crime he did not commit. He came to where Tyleus and Kavzar now stand to make a home, slaying a great beast to do so. One day, three women came to his door. Between them they fought for a golden ball, emblazoned on it "to the Heart". They had heard of his hunt, and thought him a fit judge. One offered for his choosing her wisdom and knowledge, to have the meaure of every star and every flower and to always have the truth. Another offered forgiveness and peace; that no one would ever harm him, and the world would bend to keep his tranquility. The final woman - Myrmidia - offered him beauty. He chose her, and she married him, for she was the most gorgeous thing in all the world. His wedding gift was a spear, to promise to defend and all beauty till the end of days. Hers was a spring, to sustain him and his works in life everlasting. And so they were wed, under a canopy of roses, benath the twin-tailed glow of that golden orb.

The above is what Xenophon was told as a child. As you identified, going to the temple of Tyleus would net you more information.

Elections are in six weeks, so turn eight. He knows Myrmidia's Spring is a source of great magic beneath the Tower that has been tapped since time immemorial. It is in some way associated with the temple of Myrmidia Perfecta. Xenophon thinks someone high up at the Flame, the Brotherhood, or the Lodge would know more, or maybe Gregorios and/or Ambrose. Academy is Temple, sorry, that's just a leftover from an earlier draft.

The short of it is Myrmidia's Spring is a font of magic beneath the Tower. He, and by extension we, do not know precisely what it is.
 
From my admittedly rough understanding of Warhammer Fantasy lore, wasn't the Horned Rat originally a demon of Nurgle who went his own way? Perhaps it was less willing treason against the Plaguefather than speculated, and they've got it chained down there as the fetid link to this blasphemous mechanism of apotheosis.
You're thinking of Clan Pestilens, who got lost in Lustria after Sotek was born, got a ton of plagues, and eventually learned to live with it. Then they went back to Skavenblight preaching of their enlightenment to the Lord Of Ruin as the Harbinger of Pestilence, got a bunch of Thrall-Clans to back their claim to legitimacy, and were promptly punched in the face by the other Great Clans for being Heretics. Cue Underground Horus Heresy.

Horned Rat had to step in and say "Yes, these sick rats are MINE! So pray only to ME! OR I WILL EAT YOUR SOULS!" And Pestilens became bearers of The Legally Distinct Lore Of Plague.
 
What do we know about the smuggling from the Spring? It's not the work of the League or the Princeps faction, right?
 
do we really want to delay action? We are unprepared but I think more questions will arise than questions with more time.

If the priority is action, then the optimal choice with the information we have (which is the Divine Great Game between the gods), as much as it might be risky (but what isn't in this precipice of the apocalypse) is to justify Xenophon's investigation of the Tower with the Princeps agreement, and so what we tell the Princeps has to be packaged in such a way that a naescent diety of Ambition would willingly allow Xenophon to dig into the Tower.

Key here is probably for Xenophon to stop pretending that he is unaware that the Princeps is trying to ascend because the game is up the moment Xenophon calls him Princeps Suttar, his naescent divine title and possibly one of the three gestalt minds that would form the Horned Rat?

On that lens, why would Myrmidia wish to scare a nascent godling into worship... unless she herself is the matriach of whom the nascent godling called Suttar is the Nepo child of? Why does Mistress Marvos have to a piece eliminated within the Great game between the gods? Either option is probably enough of a starting point for Xenophon to construct a case that he has to investigate the Springs, something that he doesn't have legitimate access to without the Princeps sanction.

Bad end Xenophon would become the basis for one of the first Grey Seers at this rate.
 
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Here is my tentative plan:

Plan: [ ] Smuggler's Spring
[ ] Write In-
-[ ] A Ring of Smugglers
[] To kill Mistress Marvos as a cover-up.
[] To allow you access to Myrmidia's Spring.

The tale would go a such. We have found out there there is smuggling happening in Myrmidia's Spring, (This is true) and believe that death of Mistress Marvos might have been a cover up for that. Jules was most likely a patsy, a distraction. Unfortanetly we would need access to Myrmidia's Spring in order to to further the investigation.

It ain't perfect. The story is flimsy. It comes dangerously close to lying and doesn't give the Princeps the satisfaction of a solid answer (thus making us look like we were procrastinating). But it does give us access to the Spring without having to throw the LoS or Myrmidia under the bus while still being more believable then saying Jules did it all by himself.
 
Interesting idea. What was the smuggling out of Myrmidia's spring, again?
It turns out, per Ambrose's snooping, Master Cyrillus, Elder Brother of Moulder, has been sneaking out warpstone produced through some process or another going on in the Spring. Ambrose presumes those in the Spring, meaning the Princeps, know he's taking it - presumably tasked with disposing it - but certainly do not know it is being directly sold to the Dark Pharoh of Nehekara. That's a crime against the state, and the punishment is singular – death.
Warpstone that is likely being sold to Nagash.
 
Da big bruva o' Moulder is sneakin'it out
sellin' da juice to Bad News, and cashin'it out
Bring da big gunz, we gotta snitch on the bitch and rat him out🎵

We must set the Princeps and Moulder at odds, to change the set-up of the Great-Great Horned Rat. Besides, with its brutal exploitation of Chaos-corrupted Beastmen meat, Moulder is one of the worst influences. We want it out of the city, and out of the nascent divinity.
So... killing mistress Marvos was a cover-up in favor of the smugglers, or a way to draw attention to all of this?
Because if it is the first I have no idea how this can be spun up (we have to try spinning, it's a good trick, but how?)
If it was the second, we could say that Myrmidia wanted us to find out and end this sacrilege... or maybe we can out the League of Salvation as a sort of "League of Vigilantes", a sort of Batman-like faction in the city that wanted to bring attention to this disaster. Then Junius went off-script.
 
Because if the Horned Rat's formation is inevitable, and yet the Princeps already is close to transcending, is Princeps Suttar the Horned Rat himself... or another divinity who devoured the Horned Rat at his conception? Is there a difference?
Nay. The Princeps would be the God of Empire itself, and Empire is nothing but a teetering monstrosity devouring it's enemies and it's children without distinction as it wavers on the edge of collapse... and for the scavengers to close in to feast. Empire is but a Ruin-That-Walks. To be Divine is to have your nature writ plain for all. The Princeps will rise, his nature and domain will be made manifest, and only the insane auto-cannibalistic rat-king will remain, bereft of the pretty lies that beguile the hearts of men.
 
[X] Plan: What lies in the Spring?
-[X] A lone actor.
-[X] To kill Mistress Marvos as a cover-up.
-[X] To allow you access to Myrmidia's Spring.

Well, since the vote's open I'll get the ball rolling. I'm going with this because I don't think highlighting Myrmidia's involvement will go well. I want to ultimately use this to investigate the Spring and doing it now would let us save some actions having to try to manage it during a turn.
 
Just to be clear, is the lone actor in favor of the smugglers, or against them?
Of the non-write in options, it's probably the most neutral. The other two are Myrmidia and the League of Salvation. I assume Lone Actor with the cover up as a reason would frame Junius as being part of the smuggling ring who went rogue for some reason.

Of course, you could just use a write in to name smugglers specifically if you want to.
 
Hmm... we could expose Floridus, the guy that put a demon to "restore" Sanguinius. Or some people we just don't like, like Lady Tophania.
Otherwise, we could just openly point at Moulder as the guy doing the smuggling to Nagash. Let the Princeps' hammer fall on them.
After all, sending so much Warpstone from the Spring to Nagash will give Nagash a connection to the magic of the Tower/Spring... maybe even control.
*Cue angry Princep

We could also just conclude that "we need to ambush the Smugglers". Advantage: no future meetings with the Princeps, that brings us dangerously close to sending him after people or divinities; we may be at the spring, together with others, and use our Witchsight to see what happens. Disadvantage: we cannot go alone into Myrmidia's spring at the base of the Tower with the Princeps' blessing.

Observation: if we really wish to have the permission to be at the Spring alone, we need to mention Myrmidia directly. Or sell out the League of Salvation. We need to give the Princeps a reason to trust us. If we want him to. If we think it is worth it.

P.s. We cannot tell the Princeps that the play was made by Myrmidia so that he would "remember her love", and say that Junius was totally connected to the smuggling ring?
 
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[X] Plan: The Spring and its connections
-[X] Myrmidia (may change to League of Salvation if discussed)
-[X] To kill Mistress Marvos.
-[X] To allow you access to Myrmidia's Spring.

The story goes: Myrmidia orchestrated the play to push us to investigate, and find out about Brother Moulder's smuggling ring that takes the Warpstone extracted from the Spring and sells it to Nagash. Myrmidia wanted to set us on the path to discovering this terrible sacrilege against the divine, a very specific sacrilege, that risks giving Nagash a powerful connection to the Spring via its material/produce. Such a connection could be used to influence the Spring... or to control it.
Therefore Xenophon says: I need to explore the Spring to see if anything untoward has been already set up. I have the protection of Morr in an investigation that has the blessing of Myrmidia, and I am less important, visible, and connected to sheer magic than the Princeps. If something is already in place, the Princeps going to the Spring might be walking into a trap.

I am uncertain whether we need to use this occasion to access the Spring, but my idea is that accessing it and doing anything to it is impossible without having the permission to go there.
This plan gives a story, an excuse why we need to "risk ourselves instead of our precious Princeps", and a moment where we can steal away / kill part of the divinity of Myrmidia. And an accusation against Brother Moulder to take him and his corrupted brotherhood down. Especially because the Princeps will be pissed and possibly a little paranoid that Moulder was "stabbing him in the back in favour of Nagash". What's not to like?;)

This could even be part of an operation. Ambush the smugglers when they are carrying their product -> the Princeps now has proof and goes to arrest Moulder, we enter the Spring and then go out saying "all is ok".
The only risk is that the Princeps does not believe us at all, follow us into the Spring, and catches us in the act. At which point, Game Over. I wonder if we need to "sell out" the League of Salvation instead of involving Myrmidia to make it more believable. Where "selling out" would mean "there is a league of Batman-people that want to make their own justice of factions that they see as dangerous and corrupt. They organized the play and then gave me hints that helped investigate the smuggling ring". It puts them in the spotlight but not so much as saying "they hate you and want to make a revolution to burn away the corruption and start anew".

Otherwise, if you don't like involving Myrmidia at all, do not care for the access to the spring, and just want to make Xenophon very small and never meet the Princeps again, then I would go Lone Actor + kill Marvos as a cover-up + just ambush the smugglers. A smaller-scale plot and "policing action".
 
Gods save you, Arkhan.

Something I didnt think I would read EVER in this game. damn.

Anyone else feel we are underprepared for this

We are born unprepared, is exactly how we like it.


Again, never expect to read this, this quest people, really.

Bad end Xenophon would become the basis for one of the first Grey Seers at this rate.

That is....dangerously thing to happen really.

Nay. The Princeps would be the God of Empire itself, and Empire is nothing but a teetering monstrosity devouring it's enemies and it's children without distinction as it wavers on the edge of collapse... and for the scavengers to close in to feast. Empire is but a Ruin-That-Walks. To be Divine is to have your nature writ plain for all. The Princeps will rise, his nature and domain will be made manifest, and only the insane auto-cannibalistic rat-king will remain, bereft of the pretty lies that beguile the hearts of men.

the empire is the medium, not the subject, the skaven by itself cant form and empire because they exist to themselves and the vermingtide exist as happy medium for the hornet rat.
 
[X] Plan: Myrmidian Conspiracy
-[X] Myrmidia
-[X] To kill Mistress Marvos as a cover-up.
-[X] To allow you access to Myrmidia's Spring.
 
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Scheduled vote count started by Graf Tzarogy on May 17, 2024 at 4:23 PM, finished with 27 posts and 3 votes.

  • -[X] To allow you access to Myrmidia's Spring.
    -[X] To kill Mistress Marvos as a cover-up.
    [X] Plan: What lies in the Spring?
    -[X] A lone actor.
    [X] Plan: The Spring and its connections
    -[X] Myrmidia (may change to League of Salvation if discussed)
    -[X] To kill Mistress Marvos.
    [X] Plan: Myrmidian Conspiracy
    -[X] Myrmidia
 
Vote seems to have been messed up.
Adhoc vote count started by MiskWisk on May 20, 2024 at 5:04 PM, finished with 28 posts and 3 votes.

  • [X] Plan: What lies in the Spring?
    -[X] A lone actor.
    -[X] To kill Mistress Marvos as a cover-up.
    -[X] To allow you access to Myrmidia's Spring.
    [X] Plan: The Spring and its connections
    -[X] Myrmidia (may change to League of Salvation if discussed)
    -[X] To kill Mistress Marvos.
    -[X] To allow you access to Myrmidia's Spring.
    [X] Plan: Myrmidian Conspiracy
    -[X] Myrmidia
    -[X] To kill Mistress Marvos as a cover-up.
    -[X] To allow you access to Myrmidia's Spring.


Currently it's a three way tie with one vote apiece.

I assume people didn't realise the vote had started.
 
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